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Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 19:20
by Tuan_Jim
pedrog60 wrote:As stated by pretty much the majority of them, most of the 90s guys were on steroids.
Evander was the harderst working fighter of the decade, its not his fault that he juiced as everyone else but his hard work made his physique look way better than most of his rivals.
If you know anything about bodybuilding and Lean body Mass / Height Ratio, you know that the Klitchskos are on steroids, you know that Tyson WAS on steroids, you know (as he admitted) that Tommy Morrison was on steroids.
So dont blame a manufactured heavyweight with a lot of heart and will to win to take the same PEDs everyone else was taking, wonder why he never got caught in any test? Because Test were a Joke in pro-boxing during that time.
Knowing this do you really think any other top 10 heavy would not take this advantage? There is no injustice if EVERYONE is on the juice.
So stop hating on Evander, never a true born heavyweight, outweighed by all o his heavyweight opponents, and the only 4th time HW Champ.
Top 10 HW ATG.
Beat Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, Mercer, Moorer, Douglas, Holmes and got jobbed v Lewis in the second fight. Holyfield was the King of the 90s.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 23:21
by Kalan
EH DIDN'T get jobbed by Lewis in the 2nd fight... He lost both fights by a HUGE margin... If you're not blind, biased, and oblivious.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 00:11
by SaadOffTheDeck
You're on troll roids. The fact that you claim to be out of diapers makes it worse. If you're not 14, I pity you.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 00:12
by Kalan
man wrote:yes, evander most
likely used one or the other PED.
when he was 50 he looked chiseled
like at 35. but the others were no
angels either.
Many people are chiseled at 50 who don't take PEDs. They workout correctly. I've always advised boxers never to take over-the-counter supplements, herbs, multivitamins, or any kind of vitamin pill... Avoid steak, chicken, or meat in general in restaurants if you can... don't eat fast food if you can help it... check any medication against the banned list, but avoid medications as much as possible because they can be contaminated.. don't buy ground beef or ground anything.. buy grass fed beef and buy full cuts: chuck, round, sirloin, shank, brisket, or ribs.. If you want ground meat get a meat grinder and grind it yourself.. Drink Penta Water if you want bottled water.. Don't hang out with people who smoke dope.. If you're careful and responsible about what goes into your body you'll never fail a PED test.
Plus PEDs cannot make you a better boxer or help you win.. They wreck your body.. Many of the guys who've been caught have been the losers.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 01:08
by man
Kalan wrote:Plus PEDs cannot make you a better boxer or help you win..
so happy to hear that! maybe you
contact one of the TV teams and
inform them. this is important to
know for the professionals who in
this very moment risk their entire
careers for ... nothing.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 01:14
by SaadOffTheDeck
Hard to imagine a sport that peds help you more in. Granted that hitting or throwing a ball is tougher than fist fighting....
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 14 Jul 2016, 20:34
by pedrog60
Tuan_Jim wrote:pedrog60 wrote:As stated by pretty much the majority of them, most of the 90s guys were on steroids.
Evander was the harderst working fighter of the decade, its not his fault that he juiced as everyone else but his hard work made his physique look way better than most of his rivals.
If you know anything about bodybuilding and Lean body Mass / Height Ratio, you know that the Klitchskos are on steroids, you know that Tyson WAS on steroids, you know (as he admitted) that Tommy Morrison was on steroids.
So dont blame a manufactured heavyweight with a lot of heart and will to win to take the same PEDs everyone else was taking, wonder why he never got caught in any test? Because Test were a Joke in pro-boxing during that time.
Knowing this do you really think any other top 10 heavy would not take this advantage? There is no injustice if EVERYONE is on the juice.
So stop hating on Evander, never a true born heavyweight, outweighed by all o his heavyweight opponents, and the only 4th time HW Champ.
Top 10 HW ATG.
Beat Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, Mercer, Moorer, Douglas, Holmes and got jobbed v Lewis in the second fight. Holyfield was the King of the 90s.
He wasnt robbed by Lewis, but he is the best Heavyweight from 1990 to 1996, pretty much until Lennox peaked at skills and weight.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 15 Jul 2016, 03:33
by Tuan_Jim
There's wide opinion that he was robbed versus Lewis. In the press at the time & continuing to this day in discussions among boxing fans. Thus Lewis beating him in 97,98 is no given.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 13:13
by Kalan
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hard to imagine a sport that peds help you more in. Granted that hitting or throwing a ball is tougher than fist fighting....
Most PEDs don't help you... steroids are black market... they're not regulated and there's no quality control... they're proven to wreck the body.
Some medications on the PED list weren't there 5 or 10 years ago... They keep adding them because they need something to do... Meldonium was put on the list starting this year.. you can buy over the counter and it seemingly has no ill effects for over 30 years if you take the correct dosage.. But scientists don't know everything.. Meldonium is supposed to regulate your heart and help with blood flow but I don't think it makes a 1% difference in your performance..
Aspirin isn't on the PED list is it??? ... People take aspirin all the time for their heart and blood flow.. Would taking an aspirin 6 times a week help your performance??? I doubt it.. That would probably hurt you some how.. Are vitamin pills going to help you? Fuk no they won't help.. If you're eating really well and nutritiously vitamin pills will only hurt you -- in ways you don't know about.. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 13:27
by SaadOffTheDeck
The funniest thing about this thread is that evander is historically underrated. His resume is better than Chavez by a mile and I think it's better than Roy's.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 14:02
by Kalan
Evander is better than Tyson for certain... Because Douglas wipes Tyson out -- Holyfield wipes Douglas out -- Holyfield beats the younger Tyson twice.
HIs only problem is he lost twice to that flabby punching bag Bowe -- and he ducked Lewis for over 10 years before losing twice to him.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 14:37
by BoxBuzz
Kalan wrote:Evander is better than Tyson for certain... Because Douglas wipes Tyson out -- Holyfield wipes Douglas out -- Holyfield beats the younger Tyson twice.
HIs only problem is he lost twice to that flabby punching bag Bowe -- and he ducked Lewis for over 10 years before losing twice to him.
Well he either Lost one, and drew one with Lewis....or lost one and won one.
But he was competitive, to the point that it was inconclusive.
Or did you see that as 2 total dominations by Lewis?
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 15:26
by Tuan_Jim
BoxBuzz wrote:Kalan wrote:Evander is better than Tyson for certain... Because Douglas wipes Tyson out -- Holyfield wipes Douglas out -- Holyfield beats the younger Tyson twice.
HIs only problem is he lost twice to that flabby punching bag Bowe -- and he ducked Lewis for over 10 years before losing twice to him.
Well he either Lost one, and drew one with Lewis....or lost one and won one.
But he was competitive, to the point that it was inconclusive.
Or did you see that as 2 total dominations by Lewis?
You're trying to use reason with a boy who thinks Holyfield was ducking Lewis in 1989.
Lewis barely squeezed past a ringworn Holyfield who was pushing 40 - and he needed pre-filled scorecards to manage that. Holyfield in his prime would've one-punch KOd that big oaf like he did Douglas.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 16 Jul 2016, 20:47
by SaadOffTheDeck
Holyfield wouldn't duck a 4 foot door. Buzz, seriously, WTF? Il Deuce was a legend compared to this piece of shit. Mussolini never insulted anyone, he just went about his business. This buffoon has soiled the entire forum with his verbal diarrhea.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 04:13
by Tuan_Jim
I agree. Some mod needs to shitcan this stupid boy. He's not here to debate boxing, he's here to lie and to make himself the subject. It seriously devalues Boxrec.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 08:46
by uppercutfromhades
Is there concrete evidence against Evander or is this thread based on hearsay?
I am sure most fighters seek whatever advantage they can (usually legal!) but these are huge accusations to levy.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 15:40
by BoxBuzz
Tuan_Jim wrote:I agree. Some mod needs to shitcan this stupid boy. He's not here to debate boxing, he's here to lie and to make himself the subject. It seriously devalues Boxrec.
Seriously? I get tired of being asked to banish people for simply having unique and nearly indefensible opinions. And yes Kalan has told people to fark off, but some of us have returned the favor a few times.
Cripes....he has fringe opinions on the sport of boxing, and he's somewhat narcissistic it appears. I just don't see that it's healthy to show someone the door for these characteristics. Now if your coming to my neighborhood with that set of obstacles, then you be better be prepared to buy the next round if you want to feel welcomed.
But other than that.....where's the fire?
Besides, the "big guy beats everybody" theory is getting thoroughly examined as a result of his postulating. So that's forcing evolutionary thinking.... so there's a positive.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 16:26
by Kalan
BoxBuzz wrote:Kalan wrote:Evander is better than Tyson for certain... Because Douglas wipes Tyson out -- Holyfield wipes Douglas out -- Holyfield beats the younger Tyson twice.
HIs only problem is he lost twice to that flabby punching bag Bowe -- and he ducked Lewis for over 10 years before losing twice to him.
Well he either Lost one, and drew one with Lewis....or lost one and won one.
But he was competitive, to the point that it was inconclusive.
Or did you see that as 2 total dominations by Lewis?
BuzzBox you're an IDIOT if you think Holyfield won or drew either of those fights.. Watch those fights again.. That draw was the most broadly panned robbery in Fistic History. They even did TV shows examining the outrageous scorecards for that fight -- and the judge who scored it for Holyfield was called on the carpet by the commission... That decision stunk worse then El Segundo.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 16:30
by Kalan
And YES that was 2 clear wins for Lewis... Anybody who doesn't think so is blind and a bat.. dumb as a doorpost.. and biased as a Fox News talking head.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 16:39
by SaadOffTheDeck
Then be consistent, il deuce offered much more substance than this twit. As have hundreds of other banned posters. It's whatever, this place was definitely way over moderated in the past. You rectified that by going the other way. That's fine, I've had this mindless jack off on ignore for ages, but don't expect any long time poster not to recognize that good posters have been dropped for far less.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 17:33
by Kalan
Holyfield looked pathetic versus Lewis, Bowe, Moorer, Toney, Donald, Ibragimov, Williams, and Byrd... That's why he not up there with ATG's.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 18:02
by hhaehre
Kalan wrote:
Most PEDs don't help you... steroids are black market... they're not regulated and there's no quality control... they're proven to wreck the body
You must be a complete fool if you don't think steroids can help professional athletes. Steroids are, alongside EPO, the most effective PED there is. You must have been living under a rock if you think the premier athletes get their stuff off the Internet. Did you ever wonder why modern sprinters are lean as opposed to overly muscle bound like sprinters were in the 90's? Bad Internet PEDs or maybe different more effective high tech designer steroids producing leaner muscles?
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 18:03
by hhaehre
hhaehre wrote:Kalan wrote:
Most PEDs don't help you... steroids are black market... they're not regulated and there's no quality control... they're proven to wreck the body
You must be a complete fool if you don't think steroids can help professional athletes. Steroids are, alongside EPO, the most effective PED there is. You must have been living under a rock if you think the premier athletes get their stuff off the Internet. Did you ever wonder why modern day sprinters are lean as opposed to overly muscle bound like sprinters were in the 90's? Bad Internet PEDs or maybe different more effective high tech designer steroids producing leaner muscles?
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 19:38
by BoxBuzz
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Then be consistent, il deuce offered much more substance than this twit. As have hundreds of other banned posters. It's whatever, this place was definitely way over moderated in the past. You rectified that by going the other way. That's fine, I've had this mindless jack off on ignore for ages, but don't expect any long time poster not to recognize that good posters have been dropped for far less.
Ahh....yes the Ignore Feature.....I have a few on that as well, it's a wonderful option for those like myself who feel there is simply too much content to be bothered with the whole enchilada of pugilistic information that's always careening sometimes out of control in our general direction.
Re: Evander Overrated Immensely
Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 20:33
by Kalan
hhaehre wrote:Kalan wrote:
Most PEDs don't help you... steroids are black market... they're not regulated and there's no quality control... they're proven to wreck the body
You must be a complete fool if you don't think steroids can help professional athletes. Steroids are, alongside EPO, the most effective PED there is. You must have been living under a rock if you think the premier athletes get their stuff off the Internet. Did you ever wonder why modern sprinters are lean as opposed to overly muscle bound like sprinters were in the 90's? Bad Internet PEDs or maybe different more effective high tech designer steroids producing leaner muscles?
Modern athletes are leaner, harder, and more athletic because of advancements in nutrition science, cardio-conditioning science, and strength training science...NOT because of PED's... if you eat better, sleep better, and train better you'll perform better... That's why 99% of the Olympic and World records from the days when steroids were still legal to take have been destroyed and left in the dust by modern athletes.. Every Olympics numerous world and Olympic record fall.
Drug testing science has evolved by leaps and bounds... Why do you think Lance Armstrong was caught??? They had his frozen samples from years ago and advanced testing techniques nailed his ass.. Hardly any top athletes risk using PEDs today because their samples will be frozen and could expose them at any time in the future. It's NOT worth the risk of having your reputation destroyed like Lance Armstrong.