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Kalan wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Whyte better than Riddick Bowe now? You've got to be fcking kidding me.

Buzz, mods... do you want this to be an enjoyable forum? Or do you want it to be a place where every single thread is hijacked by our resident blathering braindead retard? There's never going to be reason, facts or perspective from him. Only relentless efforts at being annoying. The joke's over.

Many of people thought Frazier was going to murder Foreman because he hadn't fought a top fighter... The folks who thought Foreman was going to crush him weren't residents of any facility that holds folks like you... You'll never see Dillian Whyte getting knocked down or punched around by somebody as slow and inept as Andrew Golota... That's GUARANTEED!!!

Andrew Golota would've beaten the piss out of the Dillian Whyte I've seen lately. Provided he didn't get himself DQ'ed which was never a sure thing.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Whyte better than Riddick Bowe now? You've got to be fcking kidding me.

Buzz, mods... do you want this to be an enjoyable forum? Or do you want it to be a place where every single thread is hijacked by our resident blathering braindead retard? There's never going to be reason, facts or perspective from him. Only relentless efforts at being annoying. The joke's over.

He thinks Anthony Joshua is the #1 Heavyweight of all time, and Foreman is on the same level of Lamon Brewster. That makes any opinion he has on Boxing beyond irrelevant. He's an absolute idiot, an annoying troll or both.

Oh by the way he also thinks Edwin Valero is one of the Top 10 P4P Boxers of all time, in spite of the fact that Valero isn't even Top 80 or 100 all time in his own weight class, and never made it onto any P4P lists in his own time.

Gilgamesh you challenged me to pick the winner of 7 fights and I beat your picks... One day I'll give you a list of 7 fights and see how you do.

How in the world is Dillian Whyte going to lose to a stiff oaf like Golota who couldn't move his head and couldn't duck under a punch???? ... When Golota got into the ring with a good opponent like Lewis, Brewster, or Tyson the fight was over before the sound of the bell died away... Michael Grant was no paragon of speed and skill, was he??? ... Dominic Guinn and Lennox Lewis made Grant look like an immobile punching bag - yet Grant steadily got up on Golota, finding the range and making the punchable Pole quit again.

Kalan wrote:Gilgamesh you challenged me to pick the winner of 7 fights and I beat your picks... One day I'll give you a list of 7 fights and see how you do.

How in the world is Dillian Whyte going to lose to a stiff oaf like Golota who couldn't move his head and couldn't duck under a punch???? ... When Golota got into the ring with a good opponent like Lewis, Brewster, or Tyson the fight was over before the sound of the bell died away... Michael Grant was no paragon of speed and skill, was he??? ... Dominic Guinn and Lennox Lewis made Grant look like an immobile punching bag - yet Grant steadily got up on Golota, finding the range and making the punchable Pole quit again.

You sure get excited about beating me with 1 out of 7 picks.

Nobody denies that Golota wasn't the most mentally stable fighter, and he definitely easily would give up on himself and either foul his way out or just quit, but it also can't be denied that he had skills. If he could mentally deal with adversity he'd have been a much better fighter. But he is what he is.

Dillian Whyte still hasn't established that he's any better than a Top 15 opponent in his own time. Let's see where he goes from here. He may well become a respectable contender before it's all said and done, he really hasn't gotten there yet. His reputation comes pretty much exclusively from giving Joshua his toughest fight up to now.

I'm #4 in the PTBF game right now. I don't see your name ranked anywhere.

Go ahead and give me 7 fights.

Why's this thread in Boxing History ? Did Joshua retired undefeated already ?

Seamus wrote:Why's this thread in Boxing History ? Did Joshua retired undefeated already ?

I thought the same thing.

gilgamesh wrote:

Kalan wrote:Gilgamesh you challenged me to pick the winner of 7 fights and I beat your picks... One day I'll give you a list of 7 fights and see how you do.

How in the world is Dillian Whyte going to lose to a stiff oaf like Golota who couldn't move his head and couldn't duck under a punch???? ... When Golota got into the ring with a good opponent like Lewis, Brewster, or Tyson the fight was over before the sound of the bell died away... Michael Grant was no paragon of speed and skill, was he??? ... Dominic Guinn and Lennox Lewis made Grant look like an immobile punching bag - yet Grant steadily got up on Golota, finding the range and making the punchable Pole quit again.

You sure get excited about beating me with 1 out of 7 picks.

Nobody denies that Golota wasn't the most mentally stable fighter, and he definitely easily would give up on himself and either foul his way out or just quit, but it also can't be denied that he had skills. If he could mentally deal with adversity he'd have been a much better fighter. But he is what he is.

Dillian Whyte still hasn't established that he's any better than a Top 15 opponent in his own time. Let's see where he goes from here. He may well become a respectable contender before it's all said and done, he really hasn't gotten there yet. His reputation comes pretty much exclusively from giving Joshua his toughest fight up to now.

I'm #4 in the PTBF game right now. I don't see your name ranked anywhere.

Go ahead and give me 7 fights.

Let's see.. Right now I only like 4... Ward-Kovalev... Murray-Groves... Golovkin-Brook... Fury-Klitschko... There's not a lot of good betting fights right now so I'll wait for them to come on.

And I don't see any skills that Golota had that could match Whyte's game... If you're that easy to hit it's very hard to beat the better boxers and it's even very hard to stay in higher level fights.. Whyte has a nice jab, good counter shots and some good defensive skills.. He stays in there without flinching or cringing.. The top fighters teed off on Golota as soon as the bell rang because his flags when up... Experience is great if you gain skills over time. If you're still get beaten up by a plodding puncher like Grant when you've had 35 fights and have been a pro for 7 years like Golota??? ... You won't get there.. Dominic Guinn came up fast...20 fights.. He looked very good against Grant because he could jab slip and counter well... Golota looked like he didn't want to be there.

Murray vs Groves has already happened.

Ward vs Kovalev is a very hard one to pick. I'd lean toward a Kovalev victory, but not with any major confidence.

Golovkin's gonna beat Brook comfortably probably by KO around the 7th or 8th round.

I think Wlad beats Fury in a rematch if he fights this time.

Chocolatito vs Carlos Cuadras is another good one on September 10th. I lean toward Gonzalez via close decision in that one.

There's not a lot of good fights happening in August.

Obviously Guinn didn't stay motivated after he beat Grant. He had the natural quickness and potential but seemed to bag it with the Barrett fight.

I take Fury to beat Wladimir again.. Golovkin to win around 10... Gonzalez to win comfortably... and Kovalev to win a UD.

Kalan wrote:Obviously Guinn didn't stay motivated after he beat Grant. He had the natural quickness and potential but seemed to bag it with the Barrett fight.

Me and buddy of mine started referring to fighters who didn't punch as having DGS (Dominick Guinn syndrome)...he seemed to be a decent fighter there for a time, but he just started struggling with everyone he fought. The guy just wouldn't punch. He'd get in there and just be outworked by absolutely anybody. If you were throwing 20 punches a round, you were probably throwing at least 15 more than Guinn had thrown.

Guinn stopped working as hard and stopped dedicating himself to improving with every fight.. There's no need to be the hardest puncher.. You go with what you got and he could box, slip, counter, and had the amateur pedigreed.. He really pasted Grant and Dokiwari.. He was getting a lot of recognition from fighting well on national TV. Then the Barrett fight where he fought at half speed. He never seemed that excited to be there after that.

Seamus wrote:Biggest flaw I've noticed with Joshua so far is that he has a tendency to occasionally drop his hands. That along with the fact that he fights pretty flat footed and doesn't show alot of head movement tells me his chin is going to get tested sooner or later.

Joshua is arguably one of the best movers in the division, and the numbers of times I've seen him dip under counters is pretty impressive. Although Whyte and Breazeale didn't land much in their 7 rounds, it's not like they weren't throwing punches. I urge you to watch the fights back and see how many times he's either ducked under the swing, of taken a stride back out of range.

His head movement was pretty limited in his first dozen matches, but he has made a significant improvement in that department in the last few fights.

Unfortunately we have only seen Joshua in a fight twice in 17, so it's hard to see what he's got when he's not been tested much. Wilder got tagged a lot against Stiverne, so I'm hoping he fights him next, and we see how elusive Joshua is.

Kalan wrote:Gilgamesh you challenged me to pick the winner of 7 fights and I beat your picks... One day I'll give you a list of 7 fights and see how you do.

How in the world is Dillian Whyte going to lose to a stiff oaf like Golota who couldn't move his head and couldn't duck under a punch???? ... When Golota got into the ring with a good opponent like Lewis, Brewster, or Tyson the fight was over before the sound of the bell died away... Michael Grant was no paragon of speed and skill, was he??? ... Dominic Guinn and Lennox Lewis made Grant look like an immobile punching bag - yet Grant steadily got up on Golota, finding the range and making the punchable Pole quit again.

Golota was light years above whyte in strength, skill and conditioning......his mental implosions came in top level fights...I don't think he would be having "issues" with Whyte a guy who would be a top 30 guy in the late1990s . whyte is a pathetic sky sports creation. Shot Chisora would beat him

gilgamesh wrote:

Kalan wrote:Obviously Guinn didn't stay motivated after he beat Grant. He had the natural quickness and potential but seemed to bag it with the Barrett fight.

Me and buddy of mine started referring to fighters who didn't punch as having DGS (Dominick Guinn syndrome)...he seemed to be a decent fighter there for a time, but he just started struggling with everyone he fought. The guy just wouldn't punch. He'd get in there and just be outworked by absolutely anybody. If you were throwing 20 punches a round, you were probably throwing at least 15 more than Guinn had thrown.

The man who ruined Audleys dream.

When A-Force lost to Guinn it was the first time I realised he wasn't going to be a world champion as a Pro.

Judah Ben Fur wrote:

Kalan wrote:Gilgamesh you challenged me to pick the winner of 7 fights and I beat your picks... One day I'll give you a list of 7 fights and see how you do.

How in the world is Dillian Whyte going to lose to a stiff oaf like Golota who couldn't move his head and couldn't duck under a punch???? ... When Golota got into the ring with a good opponent like Lewis, Brewster, or Tyson the fight was over before the sound of the bell died away... Michael Grant was no paragon of speed and skill, was he??? ... Dominic Guinn and Lennox Lewis made Grant look like an immobile punching bag - yet Grant steadily got up on Golota, finding the range and making the punchable Pole quit again.

Golota was light years above whyte in strength, skill and conditioning......his mental implosions came in top level fights...I don't think he would be having "issues" with Whyte a guy who would be a top 30 guy in the late1990s . whyte is a pathetic sky sports creation. Shot Chisora would beat him

Whyte is 10 Trillion light years ahead of Golota in skills.. He just won every single round from a guy who would probably beat Golota... Golota had no chin, no speed, no skill, no intelligence, no guts, and no moral grounding.. He would probably wouldn't get past David Price.. One shot on the chin and he'd do an Audley.

Joshua made himself a name in boxing. Whyte before and after his fight with Joshua has not made himself a force or anything serious in boxing. Maybe you could argue that before his bout with Joshua, he was a mean machine but I saw a sloppy slugger, I tipped Joshua to knock him out early, basically I didn't think much of him and still don't as he far too open to go up the ranks with.

I would go as far as saying JOSHUA made Whytes name in boxing by their last years entertaining fight where Whyte was eventually knocked out.

Since then, Whytes been plain sailing nothing special, just waiting for the next up and comer to knock him out or (for Whytes sake) just waiting to upset a big name which is unlikely based on what we saw with his last 2 outings against nobody's.

His last four opponents where undefeated before they fought him; now all have only one loss, to him; all wins by KO - I don't recognize any of them but this guy is not beating up local bums, he is cleaning house on Europe.

APerno wrote:His last four opponents where undefeated before they fought him; now all have only one loss, to him; all wins by KO - I don't recognize any of them but this guy is not beating up local bums, he is cleaning house on Europe.

You're missing the point. He's nothing special who was made special by Joshua now Whytes fighting NOBODYS and that's the bottom line. Nothing special.

Get your facts straight son, Whytes last four opponents was not undefeated.

foxdog1923 wrote:

APerno wrote:His last four opponents where undefeated before they fought him; now all have only one loss, to him; all wins by KO - I don't recognize any of them but this guy is not beating up local bums, he is cleaning house on Europe.

You're missing the point. He's nothing special who was made special by Joshua now Whytes fighting NOBODYS and that's the bottom line. Nothing special.

Get your facts straight son, Whytes last four opponents was not undefeated.

I was speaking of Anthony Joshua - but now I am confused, what's a "Whytes"?

APerno wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:

APerno wrote:His last four opponents where undefeated before they fought him; now all have only one loss, to him; all wins by KO - I don't recognize any of them but this guy is not beating up local bums, he is cleaning house on Europe.

You're missing the point. He's nothing special who was made special by Joshua now Whytes fighting NOBODYS and that's the bottom line. Nothing special.

Get your facts straight son, Whytes last four opponents was not undefeated.

I was speaking of Anthony Joshua - but now I am confused, what's a "Whytes"?

Thought you might be but only after I sent that post.

Whytes=suppose to be Whyte is, missing the ' in between the es, thats for the 1st time I used it. My bad. Don't get a Samsung S5.

Kalan wrote:

Judah Ben Fur wrote:

Kalan wrote:Gilgamesh you challenged me to pick the winner of 7 fights and I beat your picks... One day I'll give you a list of 7 fights and see how you do.

How in the world is Dillian Whyte going to lose to a stiff oaf like Golota who couldn't move his head and couldn't duck under a punch???? ... When Golota got into the ring with a good opponent like Lewis, Brewster, or Tyson the fight was over before the sound of the bell died away... Michael Grant was no paragon of speed and skill, was he??? ... Dominic Guinn and Lennox Lewis made Grant look like an immobile punching bag - yet Grant steadily got up on Golota, finding the range and making the punchable Pole quit again.

Golota was light years above whyte in strength, skill and conditioning......his mental implosions came in top level fights...I don't think he would be having "issues" with Whyte a guy who would be a top 30 guy in the late1990s . whyte is a pathetic sky sports creation. Shot Chisora would beat him

Whyte is 10 Trillion light years ahead of Golota in skills.. He just won every single round from a guy who would probably beat Golota... Golota had no chin, no speed, no skill, no intelligence, no guts, and no moral grounding.. He would probably wouldn't get past David Price.. One shot on the chin and he'd do an Audley.

Enoughs enough when is someone going to do something about this fffucking moron....hes just here to troll and say as ridiculous stuff as possible.

Golota outboxed bowe ,took some incredible shots outgutted bowe,he had enough skill and intelligence to draw with byrd and outbox ruiz only to get robbed.he also outboxed a still very useful witherspoon, floored grant twice....whyte isnt even as good as kevin mcbride hes more the level of a mike mollo who golota beat.....whyte does not have 1 win of any relavence in his career

Golota didn't floor Grant twice... The Foul Pole got beaten up, floored and he quit -- to save himself from being knocked out.

Grant was very easily out boxed and knocked cuckoo by Dominic Guinn and stopped by Jameel McCline in the 1st round... So bragging Golota up because he got beaten up, floored, and QUITwhen he "fought" Grant is the height of stupidity.

Whyte is quicker and has better skills than guys like Golota and Grant ever had.

foxdog1923 wrote:Joshua made himself a name in boxing. Whyte before and after his fight with Joshua has not made himself a force or anything serious in boxing. Maybe you could argue that before his bout with Joshua, he was a mean machine but I saw a sloppy slugger, I tipped Joshua to knock him out early, basically I didn't think much of him and still don't as he far too open to go up the ranks with.

I would go as far as saying JOSHUA made Whytes name in boxing by their last years entertaining fight where Whyte was eventually knocked out.

Since then, Whytes been plain sailing nothing special, just waiting for the next up and comer to knock him out or (for Whytes sake) just waiting to upset a big name which is unlikely based on what we saw with his last 2 outings against nobody's.

Yeah, granted, few of us knew who Whyte even was before he fought Joshua. It's fair to say he's making the most of it, and riding the coat tails of the Joshua fight. Then again, that's hardly Whyte's fault. He's only fought two fights since his shoulder surgery, and you can cut him some slack for those reasons, but the respite will last so long. It was two pretty underwhelming performances, but he's clearly working a lot on fitness and with a new coach.

I think I'm going to reserve my criticism for Whyte until he's fought someone worth talking about. Hearn says he really wants to make the Chisora fight (which I think would sell REALLY well), but there's a chance he'll go Sexton for the British title first. I think once he's fought a genuine top 30 fighter, then we'll know where he's at.

Kalan wrote:Golota didn't floor Grant twice... The Foul Pole got beaten up, floored and he quit -- to save himself from being knocked out.

Grant was very easily out boxed and knocked cuckoo by Dominic Guinn and stopped by Jameel McCline in the 1st round... So bragging Golota up because he got beaten up, floored, and QUITwhen he "fought" Grant is the height of stupidity.

Whyte is quicker and has better skills than guys like Golota and Grant ever had.

You STUPID STUPID retard.this is is a classic kalan post.he lives in an alternative reality hasnt actually seen the fight and or reports a different version of what took place. Dumbass go and watch the fight on youtube and youll see golota floored grant twice in the first round.im done talking to tbis trolling mmotherfucker and im done with this forum.any other serious posters should now desert boxers history till this dumb troll motherfucker kalan is banned.until that happens this forum BH has lost all credibility and is a joke.....im off to 24