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boxing_rocks wrote:Of course, they are running less against opponents who can't hurt them. Before Postol, Crawford was fighting either little guys or limited fighters.

boxing_rocks wrote:Of course, they are running less against opponents who can't hurt them. Before Postol, Crawford was fighting either little guys or limited fighters.

There's no such thing as a "running" fighter. There's nowhere to run in a Boxing ring.

gilgamesh wrote:

allInmoderationAIM wrote:Pacquiao is the MAN!

The goofy thing is Pacquiao would actually be the defending Ring Magazine Welterweight Champion if he hadn't fake retired for a couple of months.

Yeah!

gilgamesh wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Of course, they are running less against opponents who can't hurt them. Before Postol, Crawford was fighting either little guys or limited fighters.

There's no such thing as a "running" fighter. There's nowhere to run in a Boxing ring.

There is more than enough space to run for a skilled boxer, especially when your opponent can't cut a ring well enough.

boxing_rocks wrote:Of course, they are running less against opponents who can't hurt them. Before Postol, Crawford was fighting either little guys or limited fighters.

Sour grapes? Aren't you one of the people that picked Postol to win by KO? Its obvious you dislike Crawford and his style of boxing. That is ok. Personally, I hate Khan and his style.

Badhusker wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Of course, they are running less against opponents who can't hurt them. Before Postol, Crawford was fighting either little guys or limited fighters.

Sour grapes? Aren't you one of the people that picked Postol to win by KO? Its obvious you dislike Crawford and his style of boxing. That is ok. Personally, I hate Khan and his style.

You are an idiot. The only reason I picked up Postol and doubled on that is that I joined later in the year and was taking my chances to move up in points while most would get 0. I knew that my chances weren't very good.

Crawford could finish Postol, but he picked Lara's way of doing things. Fighting Lara's way will not work well for him in terms of drawing power outside of Nebraska.

A younger, faster prime Pacquiao would KO Crawford, but current faded slower (still good but no longer great) Pacquiao would lose by wide decision.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Of course, they are running less against opponents who can't hurt them. Before Postol, Crawford was fighting either little guys or limited fighters.

Sour grapes? Aren't you one of the people that picked Postol to win by KO? Its obvious you dislike Crawford and his style of boxing. That is ok. Personally, I hate Khan and his style.

You are an idiot. The only reason I picked up Postol and doubled on that is that I joined later in the year and was taking my chances to move up in points while most would get 0. I knew that my chances weren't very good.

Crawford could finish Postol, but he picked Lara's way of doing things. Fighting Lara's way will not work well for him in terms of drawing power outside of Nebraska.

Crawford is far more aggressive than Lara.

Too soon for Crawford i like the guy but he's no mayweather, Manny still has enough in the tank he'll have Crawford running around after he feels that left but unlike Floyd Crawford doesn't have the luxury of judges falling in love with his every move.

Mannny by ud similar to the Bradley fight.

I really hope this fight happens while people still think it's a 50/50 fight.

[quote="gilgamesh"]I really hope this fight happens while people still think it's a 50/50 fight.[/quote

Me too. You are right, Crawford fights much more aggressively than Lara, or Mayweather in the latter part of his career. Roach himself said Crawford had a similar ability to move around the ring, but also had a lot of power in his shots, and hurt Postol often. He doesn't want the fight for Manny next, and that should speak volumes.

Badhusker wrote:
Me too. You are right, Crawford fights much more aggressively than Lara, or Mayweather in the latter part of his career. Roach himself said Crawford had a similar ability to move around the ring, but also had a lot of power in his shots, and hurt Postol often. He doesn't want the fight for Manny next, and that should speak volumes.

The only times I recall Mayweather being particularly aggressive in fights were when he was facing an opponent that was a sitting duck that he damn near couldn't miss.

Phillip Ndou and Arturo Gatti are the fights that leap to mind as performances by an aggressive Floyd. The Diego Corrales fight was like that too, but he was a bit more cautious against him than the other two even though he knocked him down numerous times he was more carefully picking his shots.

Against Ndou and Gatti is about the only time I've ever seen just tee off on guys. The Ndou performance is probably my favorite Floyd fight to watch. He looks absolutely sensational in that one.

The only running in the fight was postol fleeing in the 12th after he pressed and pissed Crawford off.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The only running in the fight was postol fleeing in the 12th after he pressed and pissed Crawford off.

Yep, Postol didn't follow up with his pressure, but it doesn't change the fact that Crawford avoided engaging for 11+ rounds.

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The only running in the fight was postol fleeing in the 12th after he pressed and pissed Crawford off.

Yep, Postol didn't follow up with his pressure, but it doesn't change the fact that Crawford avoided engaging for 11+ rounds.

He never avoided an exchange. Everytime they exchanged postol got out of there. This is like pac/may where everyone blamed Floyd because Manny fought like a kitten. You're blind.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The only running in the fight was postol fleeing in the 12th after he pressed and pissed Crawford off.

Yep, Postol didn't follow up with his pressure, but it doesn't change the fact that Crawford avoided engaging for 11+ rounds.

He never avoided an exchange. Everytime they exchanged postol got out of there. This is like pac/may where everyone blamed Floyd because Manny fought like a kitten. You're blind.

Yes, Crawford was faster and otherwise better in exchanges, so he could take Postol out, but he selected to dance for 12 rounds.

I think at this stage of their careers Crawford would squeak by with a close decision. 5 years ago I think the fight is about even, but would probably pick Manny to win.. Personally I think Pacquiao is just as hard to beat now as he was 5 years ago. Pacquiao focuses more on his defense and boxing now, and with his speed he's hard to handle fighting like that. I don't think Crawford is as good as Floyd, especially not in the speed and defensive department. Pacquiao was always great, he still is, he's just not the offensive juggernaut like he used to be, but he fights more disciplined now, which makes him still a very tough fighter to beat.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The only running in the fight was postol fleeing in the 12th after he pressed and pissed Crawford off.

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The only running in the fight was postol fleeing in the 12th after he pressed and pissed Crawford off.

Yep, Postol didn't follow up with his pressure, but it doesn't change the fact that Crawford avoided engaging for 11+ rounds.

What fight were you watching? Crawford engaged in way more than one round. Rewatch the fight...it's obvious you've got beef with TC.

NateJR wrote:I think at this stage of their careers Crawford would squeak by with a close decision. 5 years ago I think the fight is about even, but would probably pick Manny to win.. Personally I think Pacquiao is just as hard to beat now as he was 5 years ago. Pacquiao focuses more on his defense and boxing now, and with his speed he's hard to handle fighting like that. I don't think Crawford is as good as Floyd, especially not in the speed and defensive department. Pacquiao was always great, he still is, he's just not the offensive juggernaut like he used to be, but he fights more disciplined now, which makes him still a very tough fighter to beat.

Solid take. Pac has way more left than most people give him credit for. I expect a very close fight with Terence's speed helping him to win a close but clearcut decision.

If Pacquiao can still school Bradley, then he has a pretty solid chance of beating Crawford. I know that most posters here either never knew anything about boxing, quickly forget what they knew, or show terrible judgment despite knowing things. So it's probably necessary to remind some people that Timothy Bradley beat Juan Manual F*CKING Marquez. JMM was ranked like p4p #2 or #3 at the time, and that's the dude that Bradley beat. Crawford beat Postol and Gamboa, that's nice, but Bradley beat JUAN MANUEL F*CKING MARQUEZ! Timothy Bradley reached like #6 p4p before he ran into the freight train that is Pacquiao, and got dominated 3 times, despite 1 crooked decision. So anyways, Pacquiao might be close to retirement, but he's still a monster, and could probably pull-out a 7-5 or 8-4 win over Crawford if he is able to still get an 8-4 over Bradley.

Lackeos wrote:If Pacquiao can still school Bradley, then he has a pretty solid chance of beating Crawford. I know that most posters here either never knew anything about boxing, quickly forget what they knew, or show terrible judgment despite knowing things. So it's probably necessary to remind some people that Timothy Bradley beat Juan Manual F*CKING Marquez. JMM was ranked like p4p #2 or #3 at the time, and that's the dude that Bradley beat. Crawford beat Postol and Gamboa, that's nice, but Bradley beat JUAN MANUEL F*CKING MARQUEZ! Timothy Bradley reached like #6 p4p before he ran into the freight train that is Pacquiao, and got dominated 3 times, despite 1 crooked decision. So anyways, Pacquiao might be close to retirement, but he's still a monster, and could probably pull-out a 7-5 or 8-4 win over Crawford if he is able to still get an 8-4 over Bradley.

Pac did have Bradley's number, but I think Pac vs Crawford is more about a bad style match-up. Bradley very narrowly beat a 40 yr old JMM, and struggled with Provo, and also with Chavez. You could make arguments that those bouts were closer or not so close, depending on who you like I guess. After a nearly 2 yr layoff, Floyd absolutely schooled a much younger JMM. Did that make him automatically #1pfp over Manny since Manny struggled with JMM? No. PFP rankings are based on performance, but also opinion, so I don't put much stock in them.
Lets call Crawford a poor man's Mayweather. Lets also recognize that Crawford, although not as skilled as Mayweather, appears to hit much harder, can switch hit, and is showing very under-rated skills. The people that call Crawford just a runner are the ones that don't know much about boxing. If Roach thought Manny would win against Crawford, he wouldn't say he isn't going to let that fight happen. Crawford can move for 12 rounds, can counter-punch very effectively with authority, and really is about the worst style match-up for Manny out there right now. I think it would be a good fight, but give Bud the edge definitely. Saying Manny would probably beat Crawford based on his victory over a 40 yr old JMM, is well, kind of funny to me.

at 140 Bud, at 147 Pacman

caldo2025 wrote:I think that a Pac vs. TC fight will look a lot like Floyd vs. Manny. There's no reason for Crawford to fight any other way than he did the other night. With that style, very Floyd-like, he's going to be extremely difficult to beat. Manny will have a very difficult time dealing with all that length and athletic movement. I'd tell Bob to go screw if i'm Manny.

Crawford's defense is no where near Floyd's. Crawford is way more hittable.

Best Coast wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The only running in the fight was postol fleeing in the 12th after he pressed and pissed Crawford off.

Yep, Postol didn't follow up with his pressure, but it doesn't change the fact that Crawford avoided engaging for 11+ rounds.

What fight were you watching? Crawford engaged in way more than one round. Rewatch the fight...it's obvious you've got beef with TC.

I was watching the fight where Crawford was moving non-stop sideways along the ropes throwing jabs and occasional straight lefts. He demonstrated his advantage, dropped Postol, but kept doing the same boring routine instead of trying to stop Postol which he was able to do. I doubt that HBO will be throwing any big money at him, so he will have to keep doing PPVs. Let's see how this one did.