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Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 01:45**

Does anybody give Dimintrenko a shot?

I mean in the heavyweight division most have a punchers chance. But Dimi only has a 60% KO record, and if hes going the distance with guys like Janjanin, Perkovic and Kurtagic all limited euro journeymen then a KO over Parker looks unlikely?

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 02:45**

Cutman Scabbers wrote:One thing I have to admire about Parker and his team is his activity.

Can you imagine a heavyweight champion defending his title five times a year?

Parker is not "champion" yet, and he fights as much as any young boxer should.

He's in building record stage, hardly met one known opponent and recently had a fight in US, UK or EU....all the hype around him is very premature

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 02:56**

bigman1968 wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:One thing I have to admire about Parker and his team is his activity.

Can you imagine a heavyweight champion defending his title five times a year?
Parker is not "champion" yet, and he fights as much as any young boxer should.

He's in building record stage, hardly met one known opponent and recently had a fight in US, UK or EU....all the hype around him is very premature

I think Parkers (20 fights) had more fights then Joshua (17 fights) so that kind of rubbishes some of what you say because then what's Joshua been up to? Joshua should get his as into gear is that what you're saying? Cos Joshua is definitely not in line with your comment in bold.

Credit where credits due, don't belittle it unfairly.

Carlos Takam is better opponent than ANY of Joshua opponents surely you know that..

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 04:04**

foxdog1923 wrote:
bigman1968 wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:One thing I have to admire about Parker and his team is his activity.

Can you imagine a heavyweight champion defending his title five times a year?
Parker is not "champion" yet, and he fights as much as any young boxer should.

He's in building record stage, hardly met one known opponent and recently had a fight in US, UK or EU....all the hype around him is very premature
I think Parkers (20 fights) had more fights then Joshua (17 fights) so that kind of rubbishes some of what you say because then what's Joshua been up to? Joshua should get his as into gear is that what you're saying? Cos Joshua is definitely not in line with your comment in bold.

Credit where credits due, don't belittle it unfairly.

Carlos Takam is better opponent than ANY of Joshua opponents surely you know that..

Good points... Parker has faced the better opposition, hasn't he?

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 04:25**

Cutman Scabbers wrote:
foxdog1923 wrote:
bigman1968 wrote:
Parker is not "champion" yet, and he fights as much as any young boxer should.

He's in building record stage, hardly met one known opponent and recently had a fight in US, UK or EU....all the hype around him is very premature
I think Parkers (20 fights) had more fights then Joshua (17 fights) so that kind of rubbishes some of what you say because then what's Joshua been up to? Joshua should get his as into gear is that what you're saying? Cos Joshua is definitely not in line with your comment in bold.

Credit where credits due, don't belittle it unfairly.

Carlos Takam is better opponent than ANY of Joshua opponents surely you know that..

Good points... Parker has faced the better opposition, hasn't he?

Parker has fought the far more experienced opponents compared to Joshuas rookie UNPROVEN opponents.

Another thing is it took Joshua only 16 pro fights to become the champion of the world! How did he do this?

Now let's look who's around..did he beat Klitschko? Ah no. Did he beat Fury? No. OK he must have beat Wilder then? No. He actually beat no one of note to become the champ and let's not forget that. He didnt beat Povetkin, Ortiz etc..He's fought no one.

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 05:03**

allInmoderationAIM wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
allInmoderationAIM wrote:the only Seven Heavyweight names that matter: (No order)WILDER PARKER JOSHUA HAYE POVETKIN FURY WLAD.K. everyone else is a different tier. If I picked two names closest to this list: Lucas Browne; Luis Ortiz. If I picked one Wild Card: Andy Ruiz
Luis Ortiz 100% should be included in that top tier. He's the one everyone in the division is avoiding currently. Very talented and dangerous fighter.
Maybe dangerous. Possibly avoided. Should he be included? Well if he should then I guess he had best hook one of those fights where he 's being avoided. How about him and Haye maker?
Until I see something significant on the map yet he gonna remain on outside in my book.

I'd absolutely love to see Haye and Ortiz on the inside of a ring, but not happening in a million years. Haye would avoid Ortiz like the plague. Haye will continue to dance a merry dance with no hopers with inflated records until a big money deal with Joshua or Fury presents itself (although any fight with Fury would never happen).

Ortiz has some decent wins including brutal stoppages of Jennings and Thompson, but agree they're not the biggest wins. But then Joshua, Haye, Wilder, and Parker hardly have world class records either. I think based on what's he's shown so far, he's definitely top tier.

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 05:17**

foxdog1923 wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:
foxdog1923 wrote: I think Parkers (20 fights) had more fights then Joshua (17 fights) so that kind of rubbishes some of what you say because then what's Joshua been up to? Joshua should get his as into gear is that what you're saying? Cos Joshua is definitely not in line with your comment in bold.

Credit where credits due, don't belittle it unfairly.

Carlos Takam is better opponent than ANY of Joshua opponents surely you know that..

Good points... Parker has faced the better opposition, hasn't he?
Parker has fought the far more experienced opponents compared to Joshuas rookie UNPROVEN opponents.

Another thing is it took Joshua only 16 pro fights to become the champion of the world! How did he do this?

Now let's look who's around..did he beat Klitschko? Ah no. Did he beat Fury? No. OK he must have beat Wilder then? No. He actually beat no one of note to become the champ and let's not forget that. He didnt beat Povetkin, Ortiz etc..He's fought no one.

Foxdog-23 don't forget? Gold medal weights heavily! Plus, ---man....you KNOW.. Joshua such a flame in front of the camera scratching the back of his neck&stuff! He got "statement" vs KevnJohnson retiring him.
About Parker...ah....actually his situation bit contrast. All you need to do is watch tape of that man how he WORKS OUT! [IT will stager U].
Ortiz has the KO Vs one "greenhorn Veteran" and the ageless I mean..VERY OLD Thompson! Luis O. has done a few 1/2 steps that is plain to see..

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 05:25**

The ___45_ year old Bert Cooper Ortiz's eight competition!

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 05:51**

foxdog1923 wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:
foxdog1923 wrote: I think Parkers (20 fights) had more fights then Joshua (17 fights) so that kind of rubbishes some of what you say because then what's Joshua been up to? Joshua should get his as into gear is that what you're saying? Cos Joshua is definitely not in line with your comment in bold.

Credit where credits due, don't belittle it unfairly.

Carlos Takam is better opponent than ANY of Joshua opponents surely you know that..

Good points... Parker has faced the better opposition, hasn't he?
Parker has fought the far more experienced opponents compared to Joshuas rookie UNPROVEN opponents.

Another thing is it took Joshua only 16 pro fights to become the champion of the world! How did he do this?

Now let's look who's around..did he beat Klitschko? Ah no. Did he beat Fury? No. OK he must have beat Wilder then? No. He actually beat no one of note to become the champ and let's not forget that. He didnt beat Povetkin, Ortiz etc..He's fought no one.

I'm not sure I would say that Parker has fought 'far more experienced' opponents than Joshua. Joshua has fought experienced opposition (Johnston, Sprott, Zumbano-Love), they were just rubbish opposition. So far Parker's hardest opposition is arguably well above Joshua's hardest, but so far that's all his CV has got.

Why did Joshua get a World title shot after 16 fights? That's his management. Martin came along for the payday, and probably took the lion's share of the purse. Can Parker generate the same revenue as Joshua? Not even close. He's an icon in a boxing crazy nation. Joshua made massive PPV numbers for a domestic dust up with Whyte - that's just what his image brings to the table.

Nobody accepts Joshua as linear number 1 in the division, but time will tell where he stands in the grand scheme of things.

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 09:05**

I think whoever handles Parker and Joshua are doing the right thing to give both guys 2-3 more fights before stepping up in competition due to their age and experience. Impatient fans want things to happen right away, but do what is best for developing the boxer in the long term.

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 09:44**

Well that's exactly the case. Could have been a massive fight a couple years down the line, when they're both top of their game. I guess holes in either's game will make it an open fight, and likely result in a KO somewhere. Unfortunately for Parker, I feel he has one or two more holes than Joshua.

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 09:59**

Every bit as much as a mismatch as Wilder vs Arreola.

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 16:34**

Tony1244 wrote:Every bit as much as a mismatch as Wilder vs Arreola.

Although not as much of a mismatch as Wilder vs Oltmans/Hayes/McCreary and those other horrible opponents DW was fighting after about 4 years and 20 fights as a pro.

Arreola vs Dimitrenko could be interesting

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 16:40**

Parker will win

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 17:59**

Seems like a decent fight, brings some height, which Parker will need practice against. Hasn't done much in years so he could be better but I think this seems like a good fight for him.

Posted: **27 Jul 2016, 18:19**

Rob3_142 wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:I'm still curious about Jun Long Zhang, I think he's good enough to beat Deontay Wilder for example.
I'm also pretty curious. I mean we're talking about a guy here that blitzed George Arias inside 2 rounds, who in his three previous fights went the distance with Takam, Pulev and Hughie. 100% knockout rate, and only been taken as far as 5 rounds so far. Quietly going about his business...

From what I've watched he's nothing special. Plus 5 of his opponents have fought no one else, and Pulev and Hughie aren't big punchers, Hughie also went in at only about 218 Ibs, I don''t think he was very healthy.

Posted: **28 Jul 2016, 04:41**

Rob3_142 wrote: I'm not sure I would say that Parker has fought 'far more experienced' opponents than Joshua. Joshua has fought experienced opposition

Well let's see about that.

When I link the big name fighters (popular past and current) that have fought each respective fighter, it seems to suggest that Parker has fought more quality and experienced opposition thus coming through a rather more difficult path than Joshua.

Let's start with Joshua..
-Charles Martin (fought no one of note)
-Dillian Whyte (Brian Minto)
-Dominic Breazeale (Amir Mansour, Fred Kassi)

That's it! Those are the big name fighters he fought and those in brackets are the big names those guys fought before they took on Joshua. Those guys theyve beaten in brackets are NOT very EXPERIENCED.

Now let's look at Parker..

Parker..
-Carlos Takam (Alexander Povetkin, George Arias, Michael Sprott, Tony Thompson, Michael Grant, Frans Botha)
-Kali Meehan (Ruslan Chageav, Hasim Rahman, Lamont Brewster)
-Sherman Williams (Gerald Washington, Robert Helenius)
-Brian Minto (Artur Szpilka, Chris Arreola)
-Frans Botha (Wladimir Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Michael Moorer)

The names in brackets were the fighters those guys fought before their bout with Parker. Lot of those fighters were well past their prime when they fought Parker but you get an idea of the experience they have and the quality in that they were even good enough to be pitted against some of these proven names.

Clearly Parker has fought the more experienced opponents.

Thank you.

Posted: **28 Jul 2016, 09:38**

foxdog1923 wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
Let's start with Joshua..
-Charles Martin (Tomas Adamek, Steve Cunningham)

I agree completely re difference in resumes, but am I missing something here?

Posted: **28 Jul 2016, 11:23**

chris123 wrote:
foxdog1923 wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:
Let's start with Joshua..
-Charles Martin (Tomas Adamek, Steve Cunningham)

I agree completely re difference in resumes, but am I missing something here?

Sorry you have brought to my attention a MISTAKE I've made. This mistake further rubbishes Charles Martin as he's truly fought no one. I'll delete that those names. I think those names belong on Parkers opponents list of fighters that his opponents have fought. Thanks for that.

Posted: **28 Jul 2016, 11:53**

allInmoderationAIM wrote:...
Luis Ortiz 100% should be included in that top tier. He's the one everyone in the division is avoiding currently. Very talented and dangerous fighter.
Maybe dangerous. Possibly avoided. Should he be included? Well if he should then I guess he had best hook one of those fights where he 's being avoided. How about him and Haye maker?...

If Ortiz wants to fight Haye he'll have to talk to Haye's people and they'll need to determine how much money he wants to pretend to get KO'd.

Posted: **28 Jul 2016, 14:14**

Cutman Scabbers wrote:
foxdog1923 wrote:
bigman1968 wrote:
Parker is not "champion" yet, and he fights as much as any young boxer should.

He's in building record stage, hardly met one known opponent and recently had a fight in US, UK or EU....all the hype around him is very premature
I think Parkers (20 fights) had more fights then Joshua (17 fights) so that kind of rubbishes some of what you say because then what's Joshua been up to? Joshua should get his as into gear is that what you're saying? Cos Joshua is definitely not in line with your comment in bold.

Credit where credits due, don't belittle it unfairly.

Carlos Takam is better opponent than ANY of Joshua opponents surely you know that..

Good points... Parker has faced the better opposition, hasn't he?

No idea. Most of his opponents were local guys, and I'm not familiar with Oceania boxing scene.
The outside opponents were or old farts or nobodies...excluding Takam, and he scraped decision in non-impresive way.
I don't understand the hype, really....o

Posted: **28 Jul 2016, 14:17**

foxdog1923 wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote: I'm not sure I would say that Parker has fought 'far more experienced' opponents than Joshua. Joshua has fought experienced opposition
Well let's see about that.

When I link the big name fighters (popular past and current) that have fought each respective fighter, it seems to suggest that Parker has fought more quality and experienced opposition thus coming through a rather more difficult path than Joshua.

Let's start with Joshua..
-Charles Martin (fought no one of note)
-Dillian Whyte (Brian Minto)
-Dominic Breazeale (Amir Mansour, Fred Kassi)

That's it! Those are the big name fighters he fought and those in brackets are the big names those guys fought before they took on Joshua. Those guys theyve beaten in brackets are NOT very EXPERIENCED.

Now let's look at Parker..

Parker..
-Carlos Takam (Alexander Povetkin, George Arias, Michael Sprott, Tony Thompson, Michael Grant, Frans Botha)
-Kali Meehan (Ruslan Chageav, Hasim Rahman, Lamont Brewster)
-Sherman Williams (Gerald Washington, Robert Helenius)
-Brian Minto (Artur Szpilka, Chris Arreola)
-Frans Botha (Wladimir Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Michael Moorer)

The names in brackets were the fighters those guys fought before their bout with Parker. Lot of those fighters were well past their prime when they fought Parker but you get an idea of the experience they have and the quality in that they were even good enough to be pitted against some of these proven names.

Clearly Parker has fought the more experienced opponents.

Thank you.

Experienced sure. Beating elderly citizens is not impressing, somehow. Poor Botha is about 50???

Posted: **28 Jul 2016, 15:37**

foxdog1923 wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote: I'm not sure I would say that Parker has fought 'far more experienced' opponents than Joshua. Joshua has fought experienced opposition
Well let's see about that.

When I link the big name fighters (popular past and current) that have fought each respective fighter, it seems to suggest that Parker has fought more quality and experienced opposition thus coming through a rather more difficult path than Joshua.

Let's start with Joshua..
-Charles Martin [8] (Glazkov [7])
-Dillian Whyte [33] (Brian Minto [96])
-Dominic Breazeale [20] (Amir Mansour [28], Fred Kassi [82])
-Kevin Johnston [60] (Manuel Charr [22], Derek Chisora [8], Tyson Fury [8], Vitali Klitchko [3])
-Raphael Zumbano-Love [92] (Charles Martin [33], Eric Molina [48], Shannon Briggs [90])
-Jason Gavern [143] (Gerald Washington [41], Deontay Wilder [11], Michael Sprott [52], Amir Mansour [28], Steve Cunningham [18], Alexander Ustinov [22])
-Michael Sprott [73] (Robert Helenius [12], Kubrat Pulev [9], Alexander Dimitrenko [8]

That's it! Those are the big name fighters he fought and those in brackets are the big names those guys fought before they took on Joshua. Those guys theyve beaten in brackets are NOT very EXPERIENCED.

Now let's look at Parker..

Parker..
-Carlos Takam [22] (Alexander Povetkin [3], George Arias [117], Michael Sprott [103], Tony Thompson [18], Michael Grant [46], Frans Botha [62])
-Kali Meehan [28] (Ruslan Chageav [4], Hasim Rahman [9], Lamont Brewster [8])
-Sherman Williams [130] (Gerald Washington [134], Robert Helenius [8])
-Brian Minto [28] (Artur Szpilka [29], Chris Arreola [12])
-Frans Botha [105] (Wladimir Klitschko [1], Evander Holyfield [13], Lennox Lewis [1], Mike Tyson [20], Shannon Briggs [18], Michael Moorer [9])

The names in brackets were the fighters those guys fought before their bout with Parker. Lot of those fighters were well past their prime when they fought Parker but you get an idea of the experience they have and the quality in that they were even good enough to be pitted against some of these proven names.

Clearly Parker has fought the more experienced opponents.

Thank you.

The argument in my post is that Parker has "not fought 'far more experienced' opponents than Joshua". That was it. You respond by haphazardly throwing together a list with a bit of bold text completely biased towards your argument.

I have very kindly completed your list throwing in some around and about rankings of each fighter at the time of which they fought Joshua/Parker. Because you unbelievably added Sherman Williams and Frans Botha (who are both closer to death than their prime), I responded in kind by adding Jason Gavern and Raphael Zumbano Love. Both terrible fighters, in their twilight, but have loads of 'experience' as you put it.

To be quite frank, I'd actually wager their record against experienced opposition is a lot more similar than I originally gave credit for, and as far as quality goes, apart from Takam, the level of opposition is almost negligible. I have already stated in my previous post, and rightly so, that Parker has fought the highest level in the two in Takam.

As far as I am concerned, both fighters have fought at journey man / fringe level so far, and neither have a resume to boast about. However both will be making markable step ups in their next two fights.

Posted: **28 Jul 2016, 16:17**

Dimintrenko is a soft chined and soft-hearted big man with good skills.

Parker should win. Not a bad gamble though from team Dimintrenko. If he wins he will have beaten better than either Wilder or Joshua and will be back in the mix for a title shot.

Posted: **28 Jul 2016, 17:59**

pound per pound wrote:Dimintrenko is a soft chined and soft-hearted big man with good skills.

Parker should win. Not a bad gamble though from team Dimintrenko. If he wins he will have beaten better than either Wilder or Joshua and will be back in the mix for a title shot.

This. Dimitrenko's heart has not been in boxing for some years now. It's worth a risk from his team, but he will not win this fight. His heart isn't in it, so his skills will not be enough.

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