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Who has Murray beaten to justify such a high ranking?

Boxerbeetle wrote:Who has Murray beaten to justify such a high ranking?

We have been through this a million times but to no avail. Murray has not got ONE high level victory on his record, et not long ago he was about 5th on that list.

great guy, tough man, but always lost when he stepped up. He put up a great showing against Martinez and Sturm, but lost.

15th for Murray must be his lowest for years. Horse loves the guy, only slightly less than Khan.

Crease wrote:Well that is subjective & maybe another conversation entirely.

The fact remains however, that he is still a World Champion at Light Middleweight.

I'm not sure that he ever deserved to enter the British Top 30 P4P rankings.

I don't respect him. He's a terrible world champion.

Horse wrote:

Crease wrote:Well that is subjective & maybe another conversation entirely.

The fact remains however, that he is still a World Champion at Light Middleweight.

I'm not sure that he ever deserved to enter the British Top 30 P4P rankings.

I don't respect him. He's a terrible world champion.

Hypothetically speaking though if he were to beat Canelo he would go from not being in your top 30 to what top 3/4/5?

He's better than you give him credit for. You have the British light middle champ above a world champ in the same division. Strange logic.

Correction he drew with Sturm (should have lost)

Mcdonnell is WAY too low on that list

Crease wrote:No he is not.

He is, rightfully, ranked as The Number One Heavyweight in the world - but that does not autimatically make him "The Undisputed Champion".


The term "Undisputed" actually means that a fighter has to hold all 4 World Titles simultaneously.

And the last guy to do that was Jermain Taylor back when he beat Bernard Hopkins for the 4 titles.

Fury is the champion, there is no dispute.

Your definition of being the undisputed champion is moronic (no offence).

mullenman wrote:Frampton one by a distance.

No one even close to him at the moment p4p

You are wrong.

forcefraser wrote:Joshua and Crolla are far too low, whilst as usual Khan is far too high. 5th?? When did he last beat a top quality opponent? Devon Aleksander was shot to pieces.

Khan has a great record.

He deserves time to improve it.

Horse wrote:

mullenman wrote:Frampton one by a distance.

No one even close to him at the moment p4p

You are wrong.

No he's not. You are.

Liam Williams in but no room for Paul Butler or Kal Yafai?

Butler beat Hall and was a "World Champion"

Williams beat Cocoran

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forcefraser wrote:Joshua and Crolla are far too low, whilst as usual Khan is far too high. 5th?? When did he last beat a top quality opponent? Devon Aleksander was shot to pieces.

Khan has a great record.

He deserves time to improve it.

Surely P4P is about how they rate right now? Not what their record "was" like.

Lower Khan by at least 4 places immediately.

Klitschko win is hands down the biggest win by anyone on the list. Fury deserves the number 1 spot. Frampton has done great things but beating Klitschko warrants the number 1 spot for Fury.

We also need to take into account in this when comparing, Fury cannot move up in divisions.

Stuarty30 wrote:I'm not comparing him to Klitschko. Im just saying when you look at both wins in comparison. LSC is a three weight world champion in his prime and held all the physical advantages over Frampton. He was favourite with most folk. LSC was there to win and it was a classic battle.

Klitschko is nearing the end of his career and dominated a very poor heavyweight division. You're putting Fury as P4P no1 based on one win. He's had one world title fight and Carl has had several. Frampton should be top IMO.

Santa Cruz was not a big favourite.

Fury's win over Klitschko is far superior.

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Stuarty30 wrote:I'm not comparing him to Klitschko. Im just saying when you look at both wins in comparison. LSC is a three weight world champion in his prime and held all the physical advantages over Frampton. He was favourite with most folk. LSC was there to win and it was a classic battle.

Klitschko is nearing the end of his career and dominated a very poor heavyweight division. You're putting Fury as P4P no1 based on one win. He's had one world title fight and Carl has had several. Frampton should be top IMO.

Santa Cruz was not a big favourite.

Fury's win over Klitschko is far superior.

Fury has had one world class win. As good and enjoyable as it was it shouldn't rank him above Frampton. You are wrong.

Horse wrote:Your definition of being the undisputed champion is moronic (no offence).

Offence taken.

And your grievance is with the literal translation of the term "undisputed".

And when a member begins to use insults in his argument, then i know he is too childish to have a sensible discussion with.

I do applaud your concept with rankings as a bit of fun between boxing enthusiasts, but surely you must realise that people are going to disagree with you somewhere along the line?

Perhaps if you ceased being soo defensive about your views, you might stop for a moment & consider the possibilty that maybe others are right.

Horse wrote:Santa Cruz was not a big favourite.

When the fight was first announced, you could get Carl as high as a 5/1 underdog with American betting companies.

They thought that this was our routine win for Santa Cruz and that the Dangerous fight (against Mares) was out of the way.

Groves is too high also. There's EIGHT world champions below him! Groves is a good operator but he's a serial failure at world level.

Crease wrote:

Horse wrote:Santa Cruz was not a big favourite.

When the fight was first announced, you could get Carl as high as a 5/1 underdog with American betting companies.

They thought that this was our routine win for Santa Cruz and that the Dangerous fight (against Mares) was out of the way.

That's right. Most experts picked LSC also. Framptons my favourite fighter and even I thought it was a step too far!

craig_minter wrote:Just think Khan is much too high as he hasn't won a fight for over a year.. he definitely shouldn't have any world champs below him

You think that a joker like Liam Smith deserves to be above Amir Khan?

Stuarty30 wrote:Framptons my favourite fighter and even I thought it was a step too far!

I did not. I predicted a Frampton victory.
I think I spoke to you on a different thread about it last werk Stu, unless I'm much mistaken...

Crease wrote:Really? who would you say holds that accolade at the moment? Which of the 4 Champions?

Because going in to the fight, Leo Santa Cruz was ranked as The Number One Featherweight in the world.

Who ranked Santa Cruz as the No. 1?

None of the champions have any serious claim to being the No.1.

They have to fight each other to find out who is the best.

Stuarty30 wrote:You're being extremely disrespectful to both Smith and Walsh. Both are undefeated former British champions and far beyond domestic level never mind English title level FFS! They are far more accomplished than the likes of Skeete (no disrespect).

Neither are far beyond domestic level whatsoever.

Stuarty30 wrote:Murray and Khan do deserve respect but they're not as good as you like to make out.

Yes, they are.

Crease wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Framptons my favourite fighter and even I thought it was a step too far!

I did not. I predicted a Frampton victory.
I think I spoke to you on a different thread about it last werk Stu, unless I'm much mistaken...

Yeah you did mate. Good prediction I tend to let nerves get the better of me when I'm predicting for a fighter I follow lol.

Boxerbeetle wrote:Who has Murray beaten to justify such a high ranking?

Martinez, Sturm and Abraham.