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x2x wrote:The fight was all set up and pressers were even held, and just because you project the winner in your own mind doesn't mean a damn thing. Repeat: I like Fury but he screwed Ustinov.

Horse wrote:

x2x wrote:The fight was all set up and pressers were even held, and just because you project the winner in your own mind doesn't mean a damn thing. Repeat: I like Fury but he screwed Ustinov.

He didn't screw Ustinov.

Fury's uncle was on his death bed and they are a close family.

A late notice fight didn't happen. So what? How is that getting screwed?

Tony1244 wrote:

Taansend wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

Interesting point. If one is not used to luxury or temptation and are suddenly exposed they can't control themselves. Its like if an inner city kid sees a swimming pool or a luxury item they go nuts. Show the same stimuli to an upper class kid and they're like "whatever." A middle class American or European have seen strip clubs or drugs their whole lives. Some develop problems; most don't. But A Cuban coming over sees all that for the first time. It's very different to them.

Mexican & Filipino fighters usually come from impoverished backgrounds so the same should apply to them then.....

I don't know much about the Philippines, but I do believe Mexicans, even the very poor ones, have more exposure to drugs and brothels than Cubans, which is a more closed and disciplined society.

x2x wrote:

Horse wrote:

x2x wrote:The fight was all set up and pressers were even held, and just because you project the winner in your own mind doesn't mean a damn thing. Repeat: I like Fury but he screwed Ustinov.

He didn't screw Ustinov.

Fury's uncle was on his death bed and they are a close family.

A late notice fight didn't happen. So what? How is that getting screwed?

What do you mean how is that getting screwed? It would have been the biggest money fight of Ustinov's life and a win would have made him an international star.

Fighters have fought whose mothers or fathers just passed away or were very sick. Like they say in show biz - and boxing is show biz - the show must go on.

Now Ustinov is screwed again.

joe strong wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Money.

I think a lot of the Cubans have had some problems adjusting when they come over, they start pricing themselves out of opportunities because they've never seen so much money, not to mention booze, drugs, women etc. It's a massive shift in their lives.

Interesting point. If one is not used to luxury or temptation and are suddenly exposed they can't control themselves. Its like if an inner city kid sees a swimming pool or a luxury item they go nuts. Show the same stimuli to an upper class kid and they're like "whatever." A middle class American or European have seen strip clubs or drugs their whole lives. Some develop problems; most don't. But A Cuban coming over sees all that for the first time. It's very different to them.

I would say this is very true. I won't say for all Cubans. I been to Cuba 22 times the last 6 years. I spent time in Havana, Holguin & Varadero. Been in Cardenas & Matanzas as well. It can't be easy going from Cuba to The States, Europe or Canada. I have a friend who was a singer in Cuba. She was going through tough times as a couple of the places she sang at were closing down & couldn't afford to pay her. She is one of the nicest people I ever met & she got an audition to go sing in Dubai at a expensive hotel that was looking for a Cuban salsa band. She got the job & has now been there 5 years, got married to a German, has a drivers licence & also teaches singing lessons too. She told me landing in a 1st world airport for the first time was very overwhelming with all the buzzes & bells, lights, etc... Ortiz, Gamboa, Solis, Jorge Luis Gonzalez all struggled. Gamboa got bad advice & never recovered after giving up a million to fight Rios. He breached his contract to join 50 cent. Turned out bad for him. Ortiz is pretty foolisg considering GBP stuck by him after failed drug test...

Killer Blow wrote:How does this mean he ends his career? He could sign with Al Haymon.

Killer Blow wrote:How does this mean he ends his career? He could sign with Al Haymon.

diddy wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:How does this mean he ends his career? He could sign with Al Haymon.

Do you comprehend how long yet will take him to actually break free from his Golden Boy contract? That's the thing about contracts. They're binding. They aren't resolved overnight.

Killer Blow wrote:How does this mean he ends his career? He could sign with Al Haymon.

RandomUsername wrote:At first I thought "what a dummy" but the more I think about it the more sense this makes. Luis Ortiz fighting for something that will end up as what 50k in his pocket? We are talking about probably the fifth most talked about heavyweight in the world.

And the opponent? A huge fighter that just might have the tools to compete with Ortiz. And the rankings? WBA rankings that could lead to Ortis landing a decent fight or it could simply lead nowhere.

Ortis will either get himself out of his contract in a jiffy with no feelings hurt or he'll reconcile with his promoter. This isnt neccesarily a bad career move for Ortis.

RandomUsername wrote:At first I thought "what a dummy" but the more I think about it the more sense this makes. Luis Ortiz fighting for something that will end up as what 50k in his pocket? We are talking about probably the fifth most talked about heavyweight in the world.

And the opponent? A huge fighter that just might have the tools to compete with Ortiz. And the rankings? WBA rankings that could lead to Ortis landing a decent fight or it could simply lead nowhere.

Ortis will either get himself out of his contract in a jiffy with no feelings hurt or he'll reconcile with his promoter. This isnt neccesarily a bad career move for Ortis.

In the know 85 wrote:Why would the best heavyweight on the planet retire unbeaten, without a shot at the champs??? He ain't retiring he's just manoeuvring his career to a better place, giving himself a real chance to fight, not being dictated to by the wet blankets at "golden boy"

punchoutsb wrote:

In the know 85 wrote:Why would the best heavyweight on the planet retire unbeaten, without a shot at the champs??? He ain't retiring he's just manoeuvring his career to a better place, giving himself a real chance to fight, not being dictated to by the wet blankets at "golden boy"

He didn't suggest he was retiring. He's suggesting that his "maneuvering" is going to cost him time...which at 60 some years old he can't afford.

In the know 85 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

In the know 85 wrote:Why would the best heavyweight on the planet retire unbeaten, without a shot at the champs??? He ain't retiring he's just manoeuvring his career to a better place, giving himself a real chance to fight, not being dictated to by the wet blankets at "golden boy"

He didn't suggest he was retiring. He's suggesting that his "maneuvering" is going to cost him time...which at 60 some years old he can't afford.

To even suggest he's ending his career by getting away from the embarrassment that is "golden boy", is half saying he is retiring himself, calling them a powerhouse etc.. Having one fighter and wrapping him in cotton wool and milking him for as long as they can whilst simultaneously letting other fighters in the same stable fall by the wayside, is not what I'd cal powerful or powerhouse, even Schaefer has split and gone on his own..

punchoutsb wrote:

In the know 85 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
He didn't suggest he was retiring. He's suggesting that his "maneuvering" is going to cost him time...which at 60 some years old he can't afford.

To even suggest he's ending his career by getting away from the embarrassment that is "golden boy", is half saying he is retiring himself, calling them a powerhouse etc.. Having one fighter and wrapping him in cotton wool and milking him for as long as they can whilst simultaneously letting other fighters in the same stable fall by the wayside, is not what I'd cal powerful or powerhouse, even Schaefer has split and gone on his own..

No, it's saying that legal battles take time. Look how long Ward was out during his legal battle. Ortiz cannot miss that much time at his age.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Christ Ortiz looks old, he looks more like 50 than under 40.

Maybe he just can't be arsed to put the work in, who knows. Think this is most likely the end, it's not like another promoters dying to snap him up, and it will probably drag on for 18 months trying to escape his contract.

lefty wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Christ Ortiz looks old, he looks more like 50 than under 40.

Maybe he just can't be arsed to put the work in, who knows. Think this is most likely the end, it's not like another promoters dying to snap him up, and it will probably drag on for 18 months trying to escape his contract.

You say that but I wonder whether Haymon has made an approach hence why he's trying to get out of his contract as it is. He seemed content with golden boy before and then all of sudden pulls this move. Makes me think someone has approached him.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Career suicide.

Cue 20 years of 'Luis Ortiz: what could have been' threads.