Ward vs Brand

[gilgamesh]

The riddle of Floyd really wasn't that complicated it's just that a lot of fighters fought him like a f*cking idiot. The riddle to Floyd was this. ATTACK HIM! ATTACK HIM RELENTLESSLY!!! It seemed like everybody got in the ring and thought they could outbox Floyd. Making damn near everybody that ever fought Floyd a strategic dumbass.

has it ever occurred to you it's not as easy as it sounds? This post is so laughable and ignorant, I can't help myself. the people who post on here these days SMH.

That really is a silly comment he made. And from a guy who usually doesn't do that sort of thing. Ordinarily one of the better posters here. Ridiculous commentary.

What the hell do you mean a ridiculous comment? Who ever had success against Floyd trying to outbox him? The only people I can think of who had success against Floyd attacked the sh*t out of him.

[NateJR]

I wchl change that "easy money" statement and say "safe bet". I know Kovalev is a beast I just don't like his chances against Ward.

[gilgamesh]

Ward is very much like Floyd inside the ropes. Opponents just have no idea what kind of guy they're up against until they're inside the ring trying to solve the riddle. The riddle is fast moving and smart. If it were one or the other it would be solvable. This is the problem.

The riddle of Floyd really wasn't that complicated it's just that a lot of fighters fought him like a f*cking idiot. The riddle to Floyd was this. ATTACK HIM! ATTACK HIM RELENTLESSLY!!! It seemed like everybody got in the ring and thought they could outbox Floyd. Making damn near everybody that ever fought Floyd a strategic dumbass.

Oh ok so it's that easy then? Manny Pacquaio is pretty good, no? He rendered him useless. Why? Floyd is so sharp and precise with his counters and so defensive it made even the great Pacquaio think once, twice, three times before getting aggressive. Next thing you know you have reset and start all over again.

When did I ever say it was easy?

[gilgamesh]

Incidentally gilgamesh is currently #4 in the PTBF while diddy is #18. gilgamesh has won the Silver Medal in the PTBF (finishing 2nd) while Diddy has finished 11-25 several times, but never finished in the Top 10.

But I'M the one who doesn't know what he's talking about

Enjoy losing to me forever until the day you die Diddy.

I don't normally get this confrontational but I'm drunk and don't give a sh*t, and I don't like you implying you know more about Boxing than me when you clearly don't.




P.S. - I feel the need to point out, I've always liked and admired your posts Diddy so this is not a personal attack against you, merely a defense of myself and my knowledge of Boxing.

[NateJR]

has it ever occurred to you it's not as easy as it sounds? This post is so laughable and ignorant, I can't help myself. the people who post on here these days SMH.

That really is a silly comment he made. And from a guy who usually doesn't do that sort of thing. Ordinarily one of the better posters here. Ridiculous commentary.

What the hell do you mean a ridiculous comment? Who ever had success against Floyd trying to outbox him? The only people I can think of who had success against Floyd attacked the sh*t out of him.

What makes it rediculous is you said it's not complicated. As if all someone has to do do is attack Floyd with wreckless abandonment when you have a guy who can move, counter and defend like Floyd. Sounds like a good way to make a easy night for Floyd. I remember guys like Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Phillip N'dou, Guerrero, Hatton and countless others putting alot of pressure on Floyd and them guys ate alot of leather for their trouble.

Do you really think all Shane Mosley had to do was put constant pressure on Floyd to beat him? Once Floyd had him figured out, Mosley couldn't even think about flinching and he was eating a shot. The point is, yes Floyds toughest fights were against guys who used smart aggression, but they knew they had to be smart about it or they were setting themselves up for big shots. It's anything but not complicated when it comes to beating Floyd.

[NateJR]

In reality, Floyd is the toughest riddle to figure out in atleast the past 30 years. Everyone seems to know how to beat him but no one could. Aside from Castillo in their first fight, but not officially.

[Oiky]

well that was

brand was horribly overmatched and barely even tried

[Ian1973]

That really is a silly comment he made. And from a guy who usually doesn't do that sort of thing. Ordinarily one of the better posters here. Ridiculous commentary.

What the hell do you mean a ridiculous comment? Who ever had success against Floyd trying to outbox him? The only people I can think of who had success against Floyd attacked the sh*t out of him.

What makes it rediculous is you said it's not complicated. As if all someone has to do do is attack Floyd with wreckless abandonment when you have a guy who can move, counter and defend like Floyd. Sounds like a good way to make a easy night for Floyd. I remember guys like Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Phillip N'dou, Guerrero, Hatton and countless others putting alot of pressure on Floyd and them guys ate alot of leather for their trouble.

Do you really think all Shane Mosley had to do was put constant pressure on Floyd to beat him? Once Floyd had him figured out, Mosley couldn't even think about flinching and he was eating a shot. The point is, yes Floyds toughest fights were against guys who used smart aggression, but they knew they had to be smart about it or they were setting themselves up for big shots. It's anything but not complicated when it comes to beating Floyd.

Ricky Hatton was never allowed to fight his fight against Floyd. Every time he tried to get in close the referee wouldn't allow it.

[Oiky]

What the hell do you mean a ridiculous comment? Who ever had success against Floyd trying to outbox him? The only people I can think of who had success against Floyd attacked the sh*t out of him.

What makes it rediculous is you said it's not complicated. As if all someone has to do do is attack Floyd with wreckless abandonment when you have a guy who can move, counter and defend like Floyd. Sounds like a good way to make a easy night for Floyd. I remember guys like Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Phillip N'dou, Guerrero, Hatton and countless others putting alot of pressure on Floyd and them guys ate alot of leather for their trouble.

Do you really think all Shane Mosley had to do was put constant pressure on Floyd to beat him? Once Floyd had him figured out, Mosley couldn't even think about flinching and he was eating a shot. The point is, yes Floyds toughest fights were against guys who used smart aggression, but they knew they had to be smart about it or they were setting themselves up for big shots. It's anything but not complicated when it comes to beating Floyd.

Ricky Hatton was never allowed to fight his fight against Floyd. Every time he tried to get in close the referee wouldn't allow it.

referee was poxy in that fight

[hoagylt]

Ward is very much like Floyd inside the ropes. Opponents just have no idea what kind of guy they're up against until they're inside the ring trying to solve the riddle. The riddle is fast moving and smart. If it were one or the other it would be solvable. This is the problem.

The riddle of Floyd really wasn't that complicated it's just that a lot of fighters fought him like a f*cking idiot. The riddle to Floyd was this. ATTACK HIM! ATTACK HIM RELENTLESSLY!!! It seemed like everybody got in the ring and thought they could outbox Floyd. Making damn near everybody that ever fought Floyd a strategic dumbass.

Oh ok so it's that easy then? Manny Pacquaio is pretty good, no? He rendered him useless. Why? Floyd is so sharp and precise with his counters and so defensive it made even the great Pacquaio think once, twice, three times before getting aggressive. Next thing you know you have reset and start all over again.

They both sucked in that fight ( Manny and Floyd )),I do not think Floyd gave a boxing lesson. Watch the fight with no sound, I did and had Manny winning.

[Ian1973]

The riddle of Floyd really wasn't that complicated it's just that a lot of fighters fought him like a f*cking idiot. The riddle to Floyd was this. ATTACK HIM! ATTACK HIM RELENTLESSLY!!! It seemed like everybody got in the ring and thought they could outbox Floyd. Making damn near everybody that ever fought Floyd a strategic dumbass.

Oh ok so it's that easy then? Manny Pacquaio is pretty good, no? He rendered him useless. Why? Floyd is so sharp and precise with his counters and so defensive it made even the great Pacquaio think once, twice, three times before getting aggressive. Next thing you know you have reset and start all over again.

They both sucked in that fight ( Manny and Floyd )),I do not think Floyd gave a boxing lesson. Watch the fight with no sound, I did and had Manny winning.

How?

I only watched it once, admittedly (it was so boring I couldn't stand a second viewing) but it seemed to me that Floyd danced around and landed the odd shot per round while Manny stalked Floyd but barely landed anything that was scoring.

It's a bit like Fury vs Klitschko, it looks like the "defensive" fighter is doing nothing and the other one is crap but it's subtle little movements that keep the "aggressor" off balance and when they are about to throw they have to stop and start again because there's danger if they throw a shot.

It's brilliant but dull.

[Leatherface]

The riddle to Floyd was this. ATTACK HIM! ATTACK HIM RELENTLESSLY!!! It seemed like everybody got in the ring and thought they could outbox Floyd. Making damn near everybody that ever fought Floyd a strategic dumbass.

this is exactly right, it's reason why Maidana looked so good against Floyd- but floyd could fighter say the Porters, Garcias, Amirs,of the world and shut them out everytime.

Brawler vs Boxer, and someone who doesnt care if they get Knocked down/out

the sole reason I jumped off any Canelo admiration i had, you had mexican superstar afraid to throw punches and go for the win.

I know a MW GGG is too big for Floyd, but even an alternate universe 147lber GGG is a bad fight for floyd too, someone with power, and likes to hit and get hit is secret to giving floyd a good fight

[Jaywheel]

Lmao at PTBF pissing contest in this thread after a ridiculous drunken rant.

[MachoTime]

Ward vs. Brand...It appeared to me Ward got the rounds in and late in the the fight any ring rust Ward had,,, was worn off. So it was a positive for Ward.

Ward vs. Kovalev.. At first I thought Kovalev would have a size advantage but after seeing them side by side last night they seem to be equal in size.

I was surprised at Ward's size and he has pretty big arms. Got some big guns on him. I'd say Ward definitely looks like a full fledged light heavy. This is going to be a great fight.

[diddy]

Poster of the year? You seriously went there? Good Lord.


Maidana had success in the one Floyd fight because Floyd decided to lay against the ropes for much of the fight. Giving MM a stationary target. He got off the ropes in the next fight and won easily.

[gilgamesh]

What makes it rediculous is you said it's not complicated. As if all someone has to do do is attack Floyd with wreckless abandonment when you have a guy who can move, counter and defend like Floyd. Sounds like a good way to make a easy night for Floyd. I remember guys like Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Phillip N'dou, Guerrero, Hatton and countless others putting alot of pressure on Floyd and them guys ate alot of leather for their trouble.

Do you really think all Shane Mosley had to do was put constant pressure on Floyd to beat him? Once Floyd had him figured out, Mosley couldn't even think about flinching and he was eating a shot. The point is, yes Floyds toughest fights were against guys who used smart aggression, but they knew they had to be smart about it or they were setting themselves up for big shots. It's anything but not complicated when it comes to beating Floyd.

I mean obviously it's not easy to beat Floyd that's why nobody's ever done it, but it amazed me how many guys were dumb enough to get in there and just try to outbox him. That was always a recipe for an easy win for Floyd. Of course it takes intelligent aggression, but you're still gonna have to be aggressive to get anything done against Floyd.

[diddy]

Once again, easier said than done. The proof is in the results. It's hard to crack the code of the very very rare guys who don't have any weaknesses. They make you fight their fight. Every time. Because they're so damn good.

As for Kovalev I think he's a top 3 P4P fighter and will remain so even if he loses to Ward, who is likely #1 for me at the moment. The winner of that fight is undoubtedly #1. GGG is right in there with them but behind whoever wins that fight because he doesn't have an opponent to face who is anywhere near either guy. Unless of course...he actually faces either guy. Which isn't happening.

[Impractical Poster]

On a side note... Out of Ward's last 14 fights, all but one have been in California.

[Kalan]

What makes it rediculous is you said it's not complicated. As if all someone has to do do is attack Floyd with wreckless abandonment when you have a guy who can move, counter and defend like Floyd. Sounds like a good way to make a easy night for Floyd. I remember guys like Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Phillip N'dou, Guerrero, Hatton and countless others putting alot of pressure on Floyd and them guys ate alot of leather for their trouble.

Do you really think all Shane Mosley had to do was put constant pressure on Floyd to beat him? Once Floyd had him figured out, Mosley couldn't even think about flinching and he was eating a shot. The point is, yes Floyds toughest fights were against guys who used smart aggression, but they knew they had to be smart about it or they were setting themselves up for big shots. It's anything but not complicated when it comes to beating Floyd.

I mean obviously it's not easy to beat Floyd that's why nobody's ever done it, but it amazed me how many guys were dumb enough to get in there and just try to outbox him. That was always a recipe for an easy win for Floyd. Of course it takes intelligent aggression, but you're still gonna have to be aggressive to get anything done against Floyd.

Floyd fought well cherry-picked opponents at the right times.. NOBODY Floyd fought had a solution except Pacquiao.. Manny nailed Floyd with a slick left counter in the 4th round that really hurt Floyd... Pac couldn't follow that shot up -- because he came into the fight with a badly torn rotator cuff injury... Pacman hardly threw any punches during the fight and faked his way through it looking for one big left hand KO shot.. Hardly something that's going to happen since he hasn't scored a KO in over 6 years.. Pacquiao was rendered even more anemic by his injury -- and I don't think he could have beaten Floyd even without the injury.

Historical Welterweight boxers I've seen who would have beaten Floyd??? Vernon Forrest is one.. He beat a 38-0 Shane Mosley 119-107 in their 1st fight. But he would need his peak form to beat Floyd---like he was in the 1st Mosley fight.. Kell Brook, Keith Thurman, and Errol Spence would outbox Floyd and overpower him.. They're too strong and too shifty for Floyd.. Shawn Porter might beat Floyd too... Porter would do a Maidana like job on Floyd, and stay on him for 12 rounds... The Gilgemesh strategy.

[diddy]

Ok forget Pacquaio, have you heard of Oscar or Canelo or Miguel Cotto? Those guys are pretty good at boxing. Canelo is the best 154 lb fighter in the world. Mayweather made him look like a child, but little Shawn f'n Porter would expose him?

Jesus Christ. I cant.

[Kalan]

Once again, easier said than done. The proof is in the results. It's hard to crack the code of the very very rare guys who don't have any weaknesses. They make you fight their fight. Every time. Because they're so damn good.

As for Kovalev I think he's a top 3 P4P fighter and will remain so even if he loses to Ward, who is likely #1 for me at the moment. The winner of that fight is undoubtedly #1. GGG is right in there with them but behind whoever wins that fight because he doesn't have an opponent to face who is anywhere near either guy. Unless of course...he actually faces either guy. Which isn't happening.

Golovkin will fight both Kovalev and Ward before he's through.. And a guy who's being left out of the picture is Artur Beterbiev.. He hooked up with Al Haymon and he's still not getting the fights -- but being kicked downstairs... I believe Golovkin will wind up beating both Ward and Kovalev... He gets his jab and his shots on everybody.. Kovalev will beat Ward by decision.. He boxes as well as Ward but he punches a lot harder -- and that will allow him to control the ring.

[Evander]

Ward looked ok.
His jab positioning discipline were on the money can't fault him.
He can go to November with a clean sheet for the big one.

[Evander]

What was your 1st impression when you saw Kovalev and Ward beside each other in the ring after last nights fight ?

Mine was Ward can match Kovalev for size.

[hulkmaniac]

How good is Ward's chin really? Floyd Mayweather's chin bailed him out a couple times against Maidana and Mosley.

[NateJR]

What the hell do you mean a ridiculous comment? Who ever had success against Floyd trying to outbox him? The only people I can think of who had success against Floyd attacked the sh*t out of him.

What makes it rediculous is you said it's not complicated. As if all someone has to do do is attack Floyd with wreckless abandonment when you have a guy who can move, counter and defend like Floyd. Sounds like a good way to make a easy night for Floyd. I remember guys like Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Phillip N'dou, Guerrero, Hatton and countless others putting alot of pressure on Floyd and them guys ate alot of leather for their trouble.

Do you really think all Shane Mosley had to do was put constant pressure on Floyd to beat him? Once Floyd had him figured out, Mosley couldn't even think about flinching and he was eating a shot. The point is, yes Floyds toughest fights were against guys who used smart aggression, but they knew they had to be smart about it or they were setting themselves up for big shots. It's anything but not complicated when it comes to beating Floyd.

Ricky Hatton was never allowed to fight his fight against Floyd. Every time he tried to get in close the referee wouldn't allow it.

Everyone seemed to be against Hattons mauling rough house tactics when he beast Tszyu. But I guess since it was against Floyd, Cortez should have let it happen again. Not that I think it would have made much difference, Hatton was ineffective even when he did get work in on the inside. Floyd was tattooing Hatton with some killer shots from the inside, outside it didn't matter.