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Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 04 Sep 2016, 09:23
by Boris Spassky
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 04 Sep 2016, 09:45
by Badhusker
What ever happened to all the hate for Bradley's third best punch? Has he cleaned up his game that much? He used to be accused of it much more than Ward.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 04 Sep 2016, 15:50
by thomasjkelley
It all depends if Antoinette Byrd is judging.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 14:50
by Freedom2013
thomasjkelley wrote:It all depends if Antoinette Byrd is judging.
A lot depends on the referee.
If he enforces the rules of boxing, Kovalev wins. He's the better fighter.
If it's Jack Reiss, Lawrence Cole or some other crooked referee, Ward will get away with his illegal tactics and win by TD or UD.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 16:53
by boxing_rocks
Freedom2013 wrote:thomasjkelley wrote:It all depends if Antoinette Byrd is judging.
A lot depends on the referee.
If he enforces the rules of boxing, Kovalev wins. He's the better fighter.
If it's Jack Reiss, Lawrence Cole or some other crooked referee, Ward will get away with his illegal tactics and win by TD or UD.
Unless Kovalev is badly cut by a headbutt or elbow or disqualified by a corrupt ref, he should win anyway.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 07 Sep 2016, 19:23
by Badhusker
Freedom2013 wrote:thomasjkelley wrote:It all depends if Antoinette Byrd is judging.
A lot depends on the referee.
If he enforces the rules of boxing, Kovalev wins. He's the better fighter.
If it's Jack Reiss, Lawrence Cole or some other crooked referee, Ward will get away with his illegal tactics and win by TD or UD.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 07:35
by Enlightened-One
So only 16% of those people that submitted votes in this poll are confident about the impartiality of the refereeing and judging of the Ward-Kovalev fight?
Considering the vast majority of the people that frequent this forum proclaim themselves to be genuine knowledgeable boxing “fans”, I’ve never seen so much hatred targeted towards the sports' governing bodies, TV network executives, promoters, advisors, managers, trainers and fighters.
All I constantly read about is people unfairly assuming derogatory words, such as: corruption, bribery, greed, ducking, cowardice etc. when trying to convey their opinion to describe situations that they haven’t researched and clearly don’t understand.
In my mind, it’s impossible to be considered as a genuine boxing “fan”, if you’re uneducated about boxing matters and also hideously critical of the vast majority of the people involved in the sport.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 08:16
by squiggy
What are you talking about, being familiar with the world of boxing is exactly what leads people to be critical of it.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 08:29
by Enlightened-One
squiggy wrote:What are you talking about, being familiar with the world of boxing is exactly what leads people to be critical of it.
Being critical of particular aspects of the sport, when you've educated yourself on the subject matter, is perfectly normal and is something that I applaud.
It just seems that many people that submit posts in this forum are negative about nearly every aspect of the sport, whilst possessing minimal knowledge.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 08:29
by boxing_rocks
Officials in the U.K. or Germany wouldn't be fair to Kovalev either, even in "normal" circumstances. Now, with anti-Russian hysteria in Western press, there is no way he gets fair treatment.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 10:39
by Enlightened-One
boxing_rocks wrote:Officials in the U.K. or Germany wouldn't be fair to Kovalev either, even in "normal" circumstances. Now, with anti-Russian hysteria in Western press, there is no way he gets fair treatment.
You’re making accusations of institutional racism and surely this cannot be endorsed by anyone possessing at least moderate intellect.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there are people lacking mental capacity that may support this hideously ignorant way of thinking, but I guess that internet browser technology hasn’t progressed sufficiently to have built-in “alcohol breathalysers” or “intellectual-capability qualifiers” to prevent absurd comments of this nature from being submitted to forums.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 12:16
by boxing_rocks
Enlightened-One wrote:boxing_rocks wrote:Officials in the U.K. or Germany wouldn't be fair to Kovalev either, even in "normal" circumstances. Now, with anti-Russian hysteria in Western press, there is no way he gets fair treatment.
You’re making accusations of institutional racism and surely this cannot be endorsed by anyone possessing at least moderate intellect.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there are people lacking mental capacity that may support this hideously ignorant way of thinking, but I guess that internet browser technology hasn’t progressed sufficiently to have built-in “alcohol breathalysers” or “intellectual-capability qualifiers” to prevent absurd comments of this nature from being submitted to forums.
Again, you need help with reading comprehension. Where did I mention rasism ??? In normal circumstances, it is well known home town judging. In Kovalev's case, now it is aggravated with politics.
I am impressed with you fitting your post into 3 lines. Unfortunately, it just means that you didn't have anything to say, just spitted some random garbage.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 13:25
by Enlightened-One
boxing_rocks wrote:Again, you need help with reading comprehension. Where did I mention rasism ??? In normal circumstances, it is well known home town judging. In Kovalev's case, now it is aggravated with politics.
I am impressed with you fitting your post into 3 lines. Unfortunately, it just means that you didn't have anything to say, just spitted some random garbage.
Controversial “hometown” decisions are a rare occurrence. There’s no point in pretending that exceptionally infrequent "bad" decisions are commonplace, because they simply aren’t.
In terms of you accusing British and German officials of “institutional racism”, it’s based on your belief that they would unfairly hold derogatory “anti-Russian” sentiment, resulting in negative bias and the mistreatment of Sergey Kovalev, based on nothing but his place of birth.
If you researched the definition of the phrase “institutional racism”, you’ll surely appreciate the reason for my belief that you’re accusing British and German officials of holding individual prejudices against Sergey Kovalev, due to his nationality.
When you’ve gained an understanding of the seriousness of your slanderous accusations, perhaps you’ll feel compelled to retract your claims.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 13:47
by boxing_rocks
Enlightened-One wrote:boxing_rocks wrote:Again, you need help with reading comprehension. Where did I mention rasism ??? In normal circumstances, it is well known home town judging. In Kovalev's case, now it is aggravated with politics.
I am impressed with you fitting your post into 3 lines. Unfortunately, it just means that you didn't have anything to say, just spitted some random garbage.
Controversial “hometown” decisions are a rare occurrence. There’s no point in pretending that exceptionally infrequent "bad" decisions are commonplace, because they simply aren’t.
In terms of you accusing British and German officials of “institutional racism”, it’s based on your belief that they would unfairly hold derogatory “anti-Russian” sentiment, resulting in negative bias and the mistreatment of Sergey Kovalev, based on nothing but his place of birth.
If you researched the definition of the phrase “institutional racism”, you’ll surely appreciate the reason for my belief that you’re accusing British and German officials of holding individual prejudices against Sergey Kovalev, due to his nationality.
When you’ve gained an understanding of the seriousness of your slanderous accusations, perhaps you’ll feel compelled to retract your claims.
You are an idiot. "Racism" is based on race. If it is based on nationality, it is called differently.
You are also an idiot if you don't see if hometown or "promoterphilish" decisions are commonplace in the U.S., U.K., Germany, Russia, Argentina, etc.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 08 Sep 2016, 13:58
by Enlightened-One
boxing_rocks wrote:You are an idiot. "Racism" is based on race. If it is based on nationality, it is called differently.
The definition of a “racial group” that is being discriminated against, in the context of the phrase "institutional racism", is derived from the governmental “Crown Prosecution Service” meaning of the phrase, which is the legal term used to evaluate racist motivated crimes in the UK:
“Racial group – this means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.”
Indeed, the UK-based official BBC website defines the term “racism” accordingly:
“Racism is when someone is discriminated against (singled out) because of their race, the colour of their skin, their nationality, their accent or first language, or their ethnic or national origin. Racism is a hate crime, and is illegal.”
Therefore, when you claim that the British and German officials would discriminate against Sergey Kovalev, solely due to his nationality, you’re not only accusing them of being “racists”, but you are labelling them as criminals, which is a slanderous claim.
I honestly don’t know how you can operate in social situations in the “real world” when you do not understand what is regarded as “racist” behaviour?
boxing_rocks wrote:You are also an idiot if you don't see if hometown... decisions are commonplace in the U.S., U.K., Germany, Russia, Argentina, etc.
Look at the BoxRec database for all the fights that took place throughout the globe last weekend, list all of the controversial “hometown” decisions and then calculate the resulting percentage of occurrences in comparison to the total number of bouts fought.
I don’t expect you to make any attempt to address your own claim, because you know for certain that you’ll only end up undermining your wrongly-held belief.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:37
by thomasjkelley
Enlightened-One wrote:So only 16% of those people that submitted votes in this poll are confident about the impartiality of the refereeing and judging of the Ward-Kovalev fight?
Considering the vast majority of the people that frequent this forum proclaim themselves to be genuine knowledgeable boxing “fans”, I’ve never seen so much hatred targeted towards the sports' governing bodies, TV network executives, promoters, advisors, managers, trainers and fighters.
All I constantly read about is people unfairly assuming derogatory words, such as: corruption, bribery, greed, ducking, cowardice etc. when trying to convey their opinion to describe situations that they haven’t researched and clearly don’t understand.
In my mind, it’s impossible to be considered as a genuine boxing “fan”, if you’re uneducated about boxing matters and also hideously critical of the vast majority of the people involved in the sport.
You're no more informed than any other fight fans here. And stop with the grammatical Immaculateness! Impeccability breeds cantankerousness. Yeah, you heard me proper! You're a straight boffin m8! Ornery as all hell too.
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Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 10:34
by Freedom2013
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 14:19
by Freedom2013
“He’s dirty. He’s a grinder. He’s not going knock anyone out fast like one of the brawlers. Andre goes for points,” said Javier Gonzalez, 30-year-old Oakland stagehand who grew up 10 blocks from the arena. “He gets get you in the corner, and he’s gonna hug him; he’s gonna get some head buts in there.”
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... lev-boxing
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 14:43
by SFW
I love the crying, fight hasn't even happened yet and the bed is already made. Don't think I've ever heard a group so sure of their guy getting a knockout whilst preparing every angle for excuses and failure. I think it's mainly because once the fight is over, all ya got left is your youtube grieving videos and no explanation for how Ward out boxed him. Key point: Kovalev is not the better boxer. Never was, never will be. He's the better puncher, that. is. it.
All the want, need, blogs, theories, vids, can not change that. Like I've said for months, the false confidence from Kov fans is laughably transparent. You don't have to face it til they fight, but the truth always comes out. Cheers
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 04 Oct 2016, 18:14
by Freedom2013
SFW wrote:I love the crying
No one is crying. We just want fair officiating. Is that too much to ask for?
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 04 Oct 2016, 18:18
by boxing_rocks
Freedom2013 wrote:SFW wrote:I love the crying
No one is crying. We just want fair officiating. Is that too much to ask for?
Of course, it is too much. Be realistic. Kovalev will need to win at least 9 rounds to get a decision, and Ward will not get DQed for deliberate head butts.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 04 Oct 2016, 18:26
by Enlightened-One
boxing_rocks wrote:Freedom2013 wrote:SFW wrote:I love the crying
No one is crying. We just want fair officiating. Is that too much to ask for?
Of course, it is too much. Be realistic. Kovalev will need to win at least 9 rounds to get a decision, and Ward will not get DQed for deliberate head butts.
Stop moaning about “racist American bias against Kovalev and Russians in general” when the fight hasn't even taken place yet. Give it a rest! FFS!
How many threads are you going to contaminate with your racist victim culture nonsense!
This is a boxing forum; it shouldn’t be frequented by prejudiced narrow-minded racists like you!
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 04 Oct 2016, 18:34
by boxing_rocks
Enlightened-One wrote:boxing_rocks wrote:Freedom2013 wrote:No one is crying. We just want fair officiating. Is that too much to ask for?
Of course, it is too much. Be realistic. Kovalev will need to win at least 9 rounds to get a decision, and Ward will not get DQed for deliberate head butts.
Stop moaning about “racist American bias against Kovalev and Russians in general” when the fight hasn't even taken place yet. Give it a rest! FFS!
How many threads are you going to contaminate with your racist victim culture nonsense!
This is a boxing forum; it shouldn’t be frequented by prejudiced narrow-minded racists like you!
Once again, you are an idiot who keeps introducing race where it doesn't belong.
And nobody can compete with you on a number of contaminated threads.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 04 Oct 2016, 18:39
by Enlightened-One
boxing_rocks wrote:Enlightened-One wrote:boxing_rocks wrote:
Of course, it is too much. Be realistic. Kovalev will need to win at least 9 rounds to get a decision, and Ward will not get DQed for deliberate head butts.
Stop moaning about “racist American bias against Kovalev and Russians in general” when the fight hasn't even taken place yet. Give it a rest! FFS!
How many threads are you going to contaminate with your racist victim culture nonsense!
This is a boxing forum; it shouldn’t be frequented by prejudiced narrow-minded racists like you!
Once again, you are an idiot who keeps introducing race where it doesn't belong.
We've been through this before... I’ve already explained the meaning of the term "racist" to you earlier on in this thread.
If you don’t truly understand the seriousness of your derogatory words, because English isn’t your native language, then please refrain from using terms that you’re clearly unfamiliar with, because the accusations you’ve been regularly making have been seriously offensive and racist in nature.
Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Posted: 04 Oct 2016, 18:43
by boxing_rocks
Merriam-Webster wrote:Full Definition of racism
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination