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Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 29 Aug 2016, 12:43
by Stuarty
asdfjkl wrote:Syntax Error wrote:14-0 with 14 KOs would put him number 3 on the all-time HW ATG list, just behind Anthony Joshua & a long way behind Wilton Norman Chamberlain whose 0-0-0 record will never be bettered.

You seem to be new in boxing, perhaps you should google Vitali Klitschko.
You don't know anything about boxing outside the heavyweights so that's a bit of a twatish statement to make there! Besides the guy was obviously being sarcastic!
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 29 Aug 2016, 13:55
by Ilya Muromets
Maybe the mod could change the title of this thread to "The Two Zhangs" or "Chinese heavyweights" or something.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 29 Aug 2016, 14:16
by Boxing Prospect
SportsRatings wrote:Here's the problem: two fighters from China have "Zhang" in their name. Zhang Junlong and Zhang Zhilei (names should be reversed in Mandarin, I think)
Zhang Junlong is the fat guy with little amateur pedigree.
Zhang Zhilei is the taller, much fitter fighter who won a Silver medal in 2008 as a super heavyweight.
Zhilei clearly has more potential and I wouldn't doubt he could make the top ten some day. Junlong I doubt will make any true top 15 or ever risk stepping up; he will probably continue to pad his record with nobodies (the WBA ranks him #14 but has asked for video proof of his bouts).
Both are in their 30s so time is somewhat of an issue, though today's HWs tend to fight forever.
Junlong almost made it to the 2004 Olympics iirc and claimed a bronze from the 2002 Asian Games
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 29 Aug 2016, 14:42
by asdfjkl
jezzamundo wrote:asdfjkl wrote:Syntax Error wrote:14-0 with 14 KOs would put him number 3 on the all-time HW ATG list, just behind Anthony Joshua & a long way behind Wilton Norman Chamberlain whose 0-0-0 record will never be bettered.

You seem to be new in boxing, perhaps you should google Vitali Klitschko.
Perhaps he's being sarcastic?
Lol, perhaps I'm sarcastic as well... ?
Somehow I already had the feeling some people wouldn't understand sarcasm, now it turns out I was right.
Anyway, Jun Long Zhang is probably better as Wilder.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 08:58
by Rob3_142
asdfjkl wrote:jezzamundo wrote:asdfjkl wrote:
You seem to be new in boxing, perhaps you should google Vitali Klitschko.
Perhaps he's being sarcastic?
Lol, perhaps I'm sarcastic as well... ?
Somehow I already had the feeling some people wouldn't understand sarcasm, now it turns out I was right.
Anyway, Jun Long Zhang is probably better as Wilder.
As good as Wilder? Or better than Wilder?
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 09:03
by BitPlayer
asdfjkl wrote:jezzamundo wrote:asdfjkl wrote:
You seem to be new in boxing, perhaps you should google Vitali Klitschko.
Perhaps he's being sarcastic?
Lol, perhaps I'm sarcastic as well... ?
Somehow I already had the feeling some people wouldn't understand sarcasm, now it turns out I was right.
Anyway, Jun Long Zhang is probably better as Wilder.
Fights against people that poor is a poor indicator of quality.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 15:07
by asdfjkl
Rob3_142 wrote:asdfjkl wrote:jezzamundo wrote:
Perhaps he's being sarcastic?
Lol, perhaps I'm sarcastic as well... ?
Somehow I already had the feeling some people wouldn't understand sarcasm, now it turns out I was right.
Anyway, Jun Long Zhang is probably better as Wilder.
As good as Wilder? Or better than Wilder?
Better, a lot better.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 15:08
by jujigatame
Good lord some of you anti-Wilder guys have lost your minds.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 30 Aug 2016, 19:19
by jezzamundo
asdfjkl wrote:jezzamundo wrote:asdfjkl wrote:
You seem to be new in boxing, perhaps you should google Vitali Klitschko.
Perhaps he's being sarcastic?
Lol, perhaps I'm sarcastic as well... ?
Somehow I already had the feeling some people wouldn't understand sarcasm, now it turns out I was right.
Anyway, Jun Long Zhang is probably better as Wilder.
Ok, fair enough. That said, Jun Long Zhang hasn't fought anyone close to as good as Scott, Stiverne, Duhaupas, Szpilka or Arreola, so it's really impossible to accurately compare them at the moment. Bringing up who stopped who earlier is irrelevant in the judging of who is better.
Put a D level welterweight in with Randall Bailey and Floyd Mayweather - who is going to knock him out faster? Bailey almost certainly, but that in no way means he is a better boxer than, or would beat Floyd.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 31 Aug 2016, 00:31
by Cutman Scabbers
Rob3_142 wrote:asdfjkl wrote:jezzamundo wrote:
Perhaps he's being sarcastic?
Lol, perhaps I'm sarcastic as well... ?
Somehow I already had the feeling some people wouldn't understand sarcasm, now it turns out I was right.
Anyway, Jun Long Zhang is probably better as Wilder.
As good as Wilder? Or better than Wilder?
As good than?
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 01 Sep 2016, 09:03
by Rob3_142
Cutman Scabbers wrote:Rob3_142 wrote:asdfjkl wrote:
Lol, perhaps I'm sarcastic as well... ?
Somehow I already had the feeling some people wouldn't understand sarcasm, now it turns out I was right.
Anyway, Jun Long Zhang is probably better as Wilder.
As good as Wilder? Or better than Wilder?
As good than?
Yeah I think he missed my point.
But to assume that Zhang is much better than Wilder only confirms how delusional he is.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 01 Sep 2016, 15:47
by lefty
He looks really slow to me.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 01 Sep 2016, 18:06
by asdfjkl
Rob3_142 wrote:Cutman Scabbers wrote:Rob3_142 wrote:
As good as Wilder? Or better than Wilder?
As good than?
Yeah I think he missed my point.
But to assume that Zhang is much better than Wilder only confirms how delusional he is.
I just ignored it, and the past year only seems to prove me right when it comes to Jun Long Zhang, I really hope Wilder can and will fight soon again and Jun Long Zhang getting the chance to fight a top contender to proof me right even more.
I ignored it because it's girlstalk to me. Oh, I'm clearly losing this discussion, let's talk about a completely different subject and proof myself right in that one!
You forgot the comma!
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 02 Sep 2016, 03:42
by Rob3_142
asdfjkl wrote:Rob3_142 wrote:Cutman Scabbers wrote:
As good than?
Yeah I think he missed my point.
But to assume that Zhang is much better than Wilder only confirms how delusional he is.
I just ignored it, and the past year only seems to prove me right when it comes to Jun Long Zhang, I really hope Wilder can and will fight soon again and Jun Long Zhang getting the chance to fight a top contender to proof me right even more.
I ignored it because it's girlstalk to me. Oh, I'm clearly losing this discussion, let's talk about a completely different subject and proof myself right in that one!
You forgot the comma!
???
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 02 Sep 2016, 09:05
by Dixonian
Rob3_142 wrote:asdfjkl wrote:Rob3_142 wrote:
Yeah I think he missed my point.
But to assume that Zhang is much better than Wilder only confirms how delusional he is.
I just ignored it, and the past year only seems to prove me right when it comes to Jun Long Zhang, I really hope Wilder can and will fight soon again and Jun Long Zhang getting the chance to fight a top contender to proof me right even more.
I ignored it because it's girlstalk to me. Oh, I'm clearly losing this discussion, let's talk about a completely different subject and proof myself right in that one!
You forgot the comma!
???

Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 02 Sep 2016, 23:29
by asdfjkl
Rob3_142 wrote:asdfjkl wrote:Rob3_142 wrote:
Yeah I think he missed my point.
But to assume that Zhang is much better than Wilder only confirms how delusional he is.
I just ignored it, and the past year only seems to prove me right when it comes to Jun Long Zhang, I really hope Wilder can and will fight soon again and Jun Long Zhang getting the chance to fight a top contender to proof me right even more.
I ignored it because it's girlstalk to me. Oh, I'm clearly losing this discussion, let's talk about a completely different subject and proof myself right in that one!
You forgot the comma!
???
See? Another girls trick, now everything is way to complicated to understand, let's act like an idiot while even any idiot would understand this.
So annoying...
It's not even my language, but it should be
Yeah, I think he missed my point.
And look, the subject totally changed, mission accomplished...
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 03 Sep 2016, 09:16
by jezzamundo
asdfjkl wrote:Rob3_142 wrote:asdfjkl wrote:
I just ignored it, and the past year only seems to prove me right when it comes to Jun Long Zhang, I really hope Wilder can and will fight soon again and Jun Long Zhang getting the chance to fight a top contender to proof me right even more.
I ignored it because it's girlstalk to me. Oh, I'm clearly losing this discussion, let's talk about a completely different subject and proof myself right in that one!
You forgot the comma!
???
See? Another girls trick, now everything is way to complicated to understand, let's act like an idiot while even any idiot would understand this.
So annoying...
It's not even my language, but it should be
Yeah, I think he missed my point.
And look, the subject totally changed, mission accomplished...
Sorry, but I'm a bit confused as well and clearly I'm not the only one? You're picking on someone's post because they left out a comma? People regularly ignore the (frequent) grammatical errors in your posts, it's probably best to do the same in return.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 03 Sep 2016, 16:36
by asdfjkl
jezzamundo wrote:asdfjkl wrote:Rob3_142 wrote:
???
See? Another girls trick, now everything is way to complicated to understand, let's act like an idiot while even any idiot would understand this.
So annoying...
It's not even my language, but it should be
Yeah, I think he missed my point.
And look, the subject totally changed, mission accomplished...
Sorry, but I'm a bit confused as well and clearly I'm not the only one? You're picking on someone's post because they left out a comma? People regularly ignore the (frequent) grammatical errors in your posts, it's probably best to do the same in return.
I wrote "I ignored it because it's girlstalk to me. Oh, I'm clearly losing this discussion, let's talk about a completely different subject and proof myself right in that one!" and gave an example of it right after.
I was acting the way he did, to prove how silly it was.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 05 Sep 2016, 00:58
by jewboypgh
This oriental heavy stinks. There's gotta be at least 2 amateurs around Pittsburgh I seen at shows who'd beat this bum. Absolutely pathetic display. He wouldn't survive 2 fights in Pennsylvania...and Boxing here it ain't what it was back in the day

Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 04:19
by crusader
jewboypgh wrote:This oriental heavy stinks. There's gotta be at least 2 amateurs around Pittsburgh I seen at shows who'd beat this bum. Absolutely pathetic display. He wouldn't survive 2 fights in Pennsylvania...and Boxing here it ain't what it was back in the day

The guy in the video is an Olympic silver medalist, Worlds bronze medalist, and Asian Games champion. Sure, he's slow and doesn't look the next great heavyweight, but he's not
that bad.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 04:42
by Cutman Scabbers
Here's Jun Long Zhang. Or should this be added
to the "Famous Fake Fights" thread?
You decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5itBGv3Y2pY
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 05:08
by Boxing Prospect
crusader wrote:jewboypgh wrote:This oriental heavy stinks. There's gotta be at least 2 amateurs around Pittsburgh I seen at shows who'd beat this bum. Absolutely pathetic display. He wouldn't survive 2 fights in Pennsylvania...and Boxing here it ain't what it was back in the day

The guy in the video is an Olympic silver medalist, Worlds bronze medalist, and Asian Games champion. Sure, he's slow and doesn't look the next great heavyweight, but he's not
that bad.
I'm lost...is he talking about Zhang Zhilei (the former amateur stand out who competed at various international tournaments with solid success) or Zhang Junlong (decent amateur who just missed out on the 2004 Olympics)?
Neither is particularly quick, Junlong is certainly a puncher though by comparison. Both are a country mile better than Taishan Dong thankfully.
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 05:09
by crusader
I'm kind of confused because the guy in the thread title is one guy, but the guy in the OP's video is another. I assumed that jewboy watched the vid and was referring to Zhang Zhilei, but who knows

Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 17:02
by Rob3_142
This is such a confusing thread - perhaps we should wait until any of these geezers fight outside of China before getting remotely excited...
Re: Jun Long Zhang New Heavyweight sensation
Posted: 12 Sep 2016, 18:23
by Boxing Prospect
Rob3_142 wrote:This is such a confusing thread - perhaps we should wait until any of these geezers fight outside of China before getting remotely excited...
Zhang Zhilei is 10-0 in the US (1-0 in China)...