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The Law wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

The Law wrote:I think Eddie did Al Haymon a favour and will call in on that favour in due course. Haymon has too many fighters and struggles to get them all fights, especially a flyweight like Casimero. Haymon asked Eddie if he had any flyweights and Eddie helped him out.

Casimero is with Haymon?

Yes, in a recent interview Eddie Hearn said he received a call from Al Haymon asking him whether he has a flyweight as stated above. I think it was an IFL interview

That's interesting. I heard one of the commentators mention Haymon too, but I didn't realise Casimero was associated with him; I can hardly find anything about it online even now.

I believe that his current manager/advisor is Sean Gibbons, who was there with him in the UK.

ILikeBeer wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote: Maybe we should ask Omar Narvaez what he was doing facing a 7-0 guy in December 2014...or what Adrian Hernandez was doing facing an 5-0 guy in April 2014, Tacy Macalos sure shouldn't have fought a 6-0 guy in May 1989, god only knows what a then 35-0-1 Oleydong Sithsamerchai was doing facing a 6-0 (4) guy in February 2011, Daorung Chuwatana should have been ashamed for facing a 3-0 (3) guy around 11 years ago, Perico Fernandez should have asked his team why he was facing a 2-0 (2) guy that was just an unfair fight in 1975!

Heck the guy Caimsero won the title from was 11-0 when he won the belt...aged 34! ...and he defended it against a 6-0 guy

If a champion is made an offer that is financially rewarding why should they turn it down? Are they there to protect the ill prepared fighters who's team have thrown them to the wolves? Do we really want to see fewer fighters given shots early, especially if they are good enough?

You could use that logic about either fighter.

Which is why the fingers are being pointed at the team in charge of Edwards making the offer in the first place, not the champion or challenger. Then again the IBF have questions to answer here as he had done nothing to deserve a world ranking.

Boxing Prospect wrote:
Which is why the fingers are being pointed at the team in charge of Edwards making the offer in the first place, not the champion or challenger. Then again the IBF have questions to answer here as he had done nothing to deserve a world ranking.

For the record, I'm not defending the fight nor do I think Edwards was anywhere near ready. Maybe if we're discussing a risk to his health for not being ready, then I'd see the point. And I see your point, it's more his team than him that are being blamed.

Just making the point, it's nice to see a fighter willing to take a risk sometimes.

ILikeBeer wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:
Which is why the fingers are being pointed at the team in charge of Edwards making the offer in the first place, not the champion or challenger. Then again the IBF have questions to answer here as he had done nothing to deserve a world ranking.

Are you saying because both men could gain financial reward from this fight, that it makes the champion blameless but not the challenger?

I know boxing is barely a sport any more, and people take big money/low risk fights all the time, and that governing bodies often don't care if there's financial reward in it from them. But are we so used to that, that we no longer put blame on anybody but the challenger and their team? Surely that's all the more reason to excuse somebody taking a fight this big and this risky early in their career? We're in a sport where people refuse to take risks far too often.

For the record, I'm not defending the fight nor do I think Edwards was anywhere near ready. Maybe if we're discussing a risk to his health for not being ready, then I'd see the point.

I'm saying BOTH FIGHTERS are blameless, but the team that in charge of the offer in this case (Eddie and co) should be blamed. Eddie didn't develop the kid right to be prepared for the fight. Look at the guys who have been successfully fast tracked and they typically taken it as a natural step up. Not leapt from British class to world class. It was Edwards' team who threw him to the wolves, blew smoke up his ass and put the money on the table for the bout to be made. If Edwards was self funded (I believe Shumenov was at one point) then he'd have been responsible.

I love seeing fighters fast tracked. I love following careers like those of the Inoue's, Hinata Maruta, Ioka, Lomachneko, Usyk, Betberbiev and Tanaka. Their teams have backed them but done it properly. Edwards wasn't moved properly and that's where I have the problem. Had his team invested in bringing over a good opponent or two to season him then the fight would have made a lot more sense.

Had he fought a fringe level guy before this fight, proven he could beat a top 30 type of fighter it'd have helped prepare him a lot more than beating the likes of Phil Smith, Luke Wilton and Louis Norman. The division is too slim in the UK to act like domestic wins prepared him for the divisional elite.

It is great to see fighters taking risks, but they need to be prepared for them, Edwards wasn't. Very few British fighters in the lowest weights ever will be because they don't seem willing or able to get the testing opponents they need to prepare them or the top level sparring at the weight classes that they need.

Could you imagine a British fighter sparring with the likes of Marlon Tapales to prepare for a world title bout?

crusader wrote:

The Law wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:
Casimero is with Haymon?

Yes, in a recent interview Eddie Hearn said he received a call from Al Haymon asking him whether he has a flyweight as stated above. I think it was an IFL interview

That's interesting. I heard one of the commentators mention Haymon too, but I didn't realise Casimero was associated with him; I can hardly find anything about it online even now.

I believe that his current manager/advisor is Sean Gibbons, who was there with him in the UK.

Interesting. Eddie definitely mentioned the call from Al Haymon in a recent interview (either Sky Sports or IFL). Perhaps Al was working as an agent for Casimero and Gibbons?

Boxing Prospect wrote:
I'm saying BOTH FIGHTERS are blameless, but the team that in charge of the offer in this case (Eddie and co) should be blamed. Eddie didn't develop the kid right to be prepared for the fight. Look at the guys who have been successfully fast tracked and they typically taken it as a natural step up. Not leapt from British class to world class. It was Edwards' team who threw him to the wolves, blew smoke up his ass and put the money on the table for the bout to be made. If Edwards was self funded (I believe Shumenov was at one point) then he'd have been responsible.
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Sorry, I re-read your post, and editted my post because I saw what you were saying more. What you quoted was my first post before edit.

The Law wrote:I think Eddie did Al Haymon a favour and will call in on that favour in due course. Haymon has too many fighters and struggles to get them all fights, especially a flyweight like Casimero. Haymon asked Eddie if he had any flyweights and Eddie helped him out.

Casimero is co-promoted by Sampson Lewkowicz, who has a working relationship with Al Haymon. During the interview with Hearn, he states that "one of Al Haymon's guys" asked for a flyweight. It was probably Lewkowicz, and Hearn just lumped him up with Al Haymon, which doesn't necessarily mean Casimero is associated with Al Haymon at all.

Anyone think Hearn would have put an 8-0 joshua or callum smith in a fight like this?

PinoyProdigy95 wrote:

The Law wrote:I think Eddie did Al Haymon a favour and will call in on that favour in due course. Haymon has too many fighters and struggles to get them all fights, especially a flyweight like Casimero. Haymon asked Eddie if he had any flyweights and Eddie helped him out.

Casimero is co-promoted by Sampson Lewkowicz, who has a working relationship with Al Haymon. During the interview with Hearn, he states that "one of Al Haymon's guys" asked for a flyweight. It was probably Lewkowicz, and Hearn just lumped him up with Al Haymon, which doesn't necessarily mean Casimero is associated with Al Haymon at all.

Thanks for the clarification

The Law wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

The Law wrote:I think Eddie did Al Haymon a favour and will call in on that favour in due course. Haymon has too many fighters and struggles to get them all fights, especially a flyweight like Casimero. Haymon asked Eddie if he had any flyweights and Eddie helped him out.

Casimero is with Haymon?

Yes, in a recent interview Eddie Hearn said he received a call from Al Haymon asking him whether he has a flyweight as stated above. I think
it was an IFL interview

Yup and in the same interview he said he asked Yafai if he could make flyweight and that it was Edwards team who wanted the fight. I don't think Eddie can be knocked on this occasion.