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kbackup408 wrote:

rm1 wrote:yup kell was finished probably in that round.

Aye how were you scoring it I had GGG up but I can see why one judge had Brook up

Golovkin won every round except the 2nd.

Nice to see a corner do the right thing. I am sick to death of seeing very brave corner men send their men out when they should have pulled them out. Just take a look at the guy that fought Connor Benn; he should NEVER had been sent out for the second round; now that was awful cornering and they are well know for doing it time and time again.

I could give Dom stick for allowing the fight in the first place, but that's for another thread.

Yes he stopped it perfectly.

Kell was gutted he came up short, but he didn't look mentally broken like say, when Ricky Hatton fought Senchenko. He climbed out of the ring rather than be scraped off the canvas, and that's thanks to Ingle.

I think Brook will bounce back - but my fear is that eye injury. I have seen that on other fighters and it's blown up as soon as they've been hit hard there again in subsequent fights.

I hope the surgeon looking at him next week is the very best in his field.

For 3.7 million it was probably the plan all along, as soon as he looks like getting a hiding Dom was always going to pull him out.

I think he timed it pretty much perfectly.
Brook was injured and starting to take a hiding. It was a monumental task anyway and the eye injury would have made it impossible. He most likely saved his man from getting hurt while giving him every chance to prove if he could stay in the fight.

My only gripe, and it's a pretty minor one.
Why didn't he throw the towel?
He stood waving it, then appeared to get very wound up when the referee, who quite obviously couldn't see the towel waving behind his head, didn't instantly break up the action.

davie wrote:I think he timed it pretty much perfectly.
Brook was injured and starting to take a hiding. It was a monumental task anyway and the eye injury would have made it impossible. He most likely saved his man from getting hurt while giving him every chance to prove if he could stay in the fight.

My only gripe, and it's a pretty minor one.
Why didn't he throw the towel?
He stood waving it, then appeared to get very wound up when the referee, who quite obviously couldn't see the towel waving behind his head, didn't instantly break up the action.

This was my main gripe. He just stood there flapping the towel around like a melon! The term 'throwing in the towel' gives it away completely. Just lob the thing in there.

Although I was disappointed with the stoppage, I'd be lying if I said I didn't see it coming. The injury spoiled it as a matchup 'cause you knew that it was over before it was. Ingle 100% did the right thing cause Brook could have received a long term eye injury thus jeopardising his career.

It was clearly not a match up which was working for Brook. Not only does GGG punch harder than anyone in the division his face must be made out of concrete. He was walking through some meaty punches like they were bubbles.

Rob3_142 wrote:

davie wrote:I think he timed it pretty much perfectly.
Brook was injured and starting to take a hiding. It was a monumental task anyway and the eye injury would have made it impossible. He most likely saved his man from getting hurt while giving him every chance to prove if he could stay in the fight.

My only gripe, and it's a pretty minor one.
Why didn't he throw the towel?
He stood waving it, then appeared to get very wound up when the referee, who quite obviously couldn't see the towel waving behind his head, didn't instantly break up the action.

This was my main gripe. He just stood there flapping the towel around like a melon! The term 'throwing in the towel' gives it away completely. Just lob the thing in there.

Although I was disappointed with the stoppage, I'd be lying if I said I didn't see it coming. The injury spoiled it as a matchup 'cause you knew that it was over before it was. Ingle 100% did the right thing cause Brook could have received a long term eye injury thus jeopardising his career.

It was clearly not a match up which was working for Brook. Not only does GGG punch harder than anyone in the division his face must be made out of concrete. He was walking through some meaty punches like they were bubbles.

It should basically be classed as cheating IMO.
the guy hits like a fornicating steam train and is also as hard as fornicate. It's hardly fair, is it.

It must be bloody disheartening being in there taking those shots and seeing him walk through your best work.

And to top it off he's a solid boxer as well.

Tuan_Jim wrote:I remember Tony Tucker suffered the same injury from Seldon's jab but totally concealed it, maintained his poker face, showed no personal discomfort etc. Perhaps unrelated but Tucker is now blind in that eye, and in the cold light of morning it was probably sensible to pull Brook out - but do you think Brook made the job harder for himself by making such a demonstration of his distress to his opponent? Very easy for me to say from the dangerous grounds of my living room, writing without a shattered orbital bone, but interested in opinion.

Brook let his mask slip in the 1st Carson Jones fight so wasn't surprised to see him tapping his eye in distress last night, what he was trying to achieve by doing that I don't really know but its a mental weakness I hate to see in a fighter, I would have more respect for him if he just sucked it up and got on with the job, he's a professional fighter and getting injured is just part of the job but letting everybody know he's injured in the middle of the fight just looked like he was already preparing an excuse for his defeat.

It was a good call. Brooks guts and chin would have lasted longer but I thought it was getting uncomfortable to watch,and didn't want to see any lasting damage.

littlepug wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:I remember Tony Tucker suffered the same injury from Seldon's jab but totally concealed it, maintained his poker face, showed no personal discomfort etc. Perhaps unrelated but Tucker is now blind in that eye, and in the cold light of morning it was probably sensible to pull Brook out - but do you think Brook made the job harder for himself by making such a demonstration of his distress to his opponent? Very easy for me to say from the dangerous grounds of my living room, writing without a shattered orbital bone, but interested in opinion.

Brook let his mask slip in the 1st Carson Jones fight so wasn't surprised to see him tapping his eye in distress last night, what he was trying to achieve by doing that I don't really know but its a mental weakness I hate to see in a fighter, I would have more respect for him if he just sucked it up and got on with the job, he's a professional fighter and getting injured is just part of the job but letting everybody know he's injured in the middle of the fight just looked like he was already preparing an excuse for his defeat.

I agree littlepug. Brook wouldn't have any way of knowing his eye socket was fractured, he looked like he was feeling sorry for himself when he pawed at the injury. I also think that the corner and Kell always knew they'd stop the fight as soon as Golovkin got into his groove, which he certainly had by the 5th round.

The only odd thing about it was Ingle waving the towel around like he was at a football match.

Did anyone else notice Brooks dad was steaming towards the corner at that point too waving his arms to signal he wanted the fight stopped.

Twinkle Toes wrote:The only odd thing about it was Ingle waving the towel around like he was at a football match.

Did anyone else notice Brooks dad was steaming towards the corner at that point too waving his arms to signal he wanted the fight stopped.

Brook's DAD? He's shown an interest now has he, now that Kell's making millions? Weird!

Teddy's Toupee wrote: Brook wouldn't have any way of knowing his eye socket was fractured

Perhaps the pain was a big giveaway. He said he had fractured it the minute the fight was stopped.

Teddy's Toupee wrote: he looked like he was feeling sorry for himself when he pawed at the injury.

And then stormed back to push back the world's biggest puncher and win the round.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Twinkle Toes wrote:The only odd thing about it was Ingle waving the towel around like he was at a football match.

Did anyone else notice Brooks dad was steaming towards the corner at that point too waving his arms to signal he wanted the fight stopped.

Brook's DAD? He's shown an interest now has he, now that Kell's making millions? Weird!

He means Terry his step Dad....

Twinkle Toes wrote:The only odd thing about it was Ingle waving the towel around like he was at a football match.

Did anyone else notice Brooks dad was steaming towards the corner at that point too waving his arms to signal he wanted the fight stopped.

^ I just rewinded to that bit it seemed to me that Dom just kept on waving he should have thrown his towel, Brook ended up taking 1 shot too many in my opinion.

willardx wrote:It was a good call. Brooks guts and chin would have lasted longer but I thought it was getting uncomfortable to watch,and didn't want to see any lasting damage.

Yes mate, as a boxing fan I want anyone that enters that rings leaves safe it would be a sad if someone of Brooks talent got beat up for 10 rounds and then never perform the same again ....

BigDoofus wrote:

Teddy's Toupee wrote: Brook wouldn't have any way of knowing his eye socket was fractured

Perhaps the pain was a big giveaway. He said he had fractured it the minute the fight was stopped.

Teddy's Toupee wrote: he looked like he was feeling sorry for himself when he pawed at the injury.

And then stormed back to push back the world's biggest puncher and win the round.

I never knew feeling discomfort or pain from an eye injury allows a professional boxer to diagnose the nature and extent of the injury. He still looked sorry for himself, and I agree with littlepug that showing out like that isn't good form in a boxing ring.

Switch hitter wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Twinkle Toes wrote:The only odd thing about it was Ingle waving the towel around like he was at a football match.

Did anyone else notice Brooks dad was steaming towards the corner at that point too waving his arms to signal he wanted the fight stopped.

Brook's DAD? He's shown an interest now has he, now that Kell's making millions? Weird!

He means Terry his step Dad....

Ahhhhh...

littlepug wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:I remember Tony Tucker suffered the same injury from Seldon's jab but totally concealed it, maintained his poker face, showed no personal discomfort etc. Perhaps unrelated but Tucker is now blind in that eye, and in the cold light of morning it was probably sensible to pull Brook out - but do you think Brook made the job harder for himself by making such a demonstration of his distress to his opponent? Very easy for me to say from the dangerous grounds of my living room, writing without a shattered orbital bone, but interested in opinion.

Brook let his mask slip in the 1st Carson Jones fight so wasn't surprised to see him tapping his eye in distress last night, what he was trying to achieve by doing that I don't really know but its a mental weakness I hate to see in a fighter, I would have more respect for him if he just sucked it up and got on with the job, he's a professional fighter and getting injured is just part of the job but letting everybody know he's injured in the middle of the fight just looked like he was already preparing an excuse for his defeat.

How did he let his mask slip in the 1st fight he dug in and won the fight then had the balls to box him again to put right a wrong......Let's not forget it wasn't Brook throwing in the towel he was trying to gut it out but look who was up against .....what's with the he's a professional fighter and getting injured is part of the job the guys got a family and future to think about its part of nobodys job to get injured. He would have been in incredible pain and he'd done better than most against GGG if the man some credit

Switch hitter wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:I remember Tony Tucker suffered the same injury from Seldon's jab but totally concealed it, maintained his poker face, showed no personal discomfort etc. Perhaps unrelated but Tucker is now blind in that eye, and in the cold light of morning it was probably sensible to pull Brook out - but do you think Brook made the job harder for himself by making such a demonstration of his distress to his opponent? Very easy for me to say from the dangerous grounds of my living room, writing without a shattered orbital bone, but interested in opinion.

Brook let his mask slip in the 1st Carson Jones fight so wasn't surprised to see him tapping his eye in distress last night, what he was trying to achieve by doing that I don't really know but its a mental weakness I hate to see in a fighter, I would have more respect for him if he just sucked it up and got on with the job, he's a professional fighter and getting injured is just part of the job but letting everybody know he's injured in the middle of the fight just looked like he was already preparing an excuse for his defeat.

How did he let his mask slip in the 1st fight he dug in and won the fight then had the balls to box him again to put right a wrong......Let's not forget it wasn't Brook throwing in the towel he was trying to gut it out but look who was up against .....what's with the he's a professional fighter and getting injured is part of the job the guys got a family and future to think about its part of nobodys job to get injured. He would have been in incredible pain and he'd done better than most against GGG if the man some credit

Don't you remember the look on brooks face in the Jones fight when he visibly started feeling sorry for himself ? that's letting your mask slip, should never reveal your weaker traits to an opponent, and for the money he is getting I expect him to go all in with no complaining.

littlepug wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:

littlepug wrote: Brook let his mask slip in the 1st Carson Jones fight so wasn't surprised to see him tapping his eye in distress last night, what he was trying to achieve by doing that I don't really know but its a mental weakness I hate to see in a fighter, I would have more respect for him if he just sucked it up and got on with the job, he's a professional fighter and getting injured is just part of the job but letting everybody know he's injured in the middle of the fight just looked like he was already preparing an excuse for his defeat.

How did he let his mask slip in the 1st fight he dug in and won the fight then had the balls to box him again to put right a wrong......Let's not forget it wasn't Brook throwing in the towel he was trying to gut it out but look who was up against .....what's with the he's a professional fighter and getting injured is part of the job the guys got a family and future to think about its part of nobodys job to get injured. He would have been in incredible pain and he'd done better than most against GGG if the man some credit

Don't you remember the look on brooks face in the Jones fight when he visibly started feeling sorry for himself ? that's letting your mask slip, should never reveal your weaker traits to an opponent, and for the money he is getting I expect him to go all in with no complaining.

Wasn't his nose broke .....he dug in didn't quit...man the kid can't get a brake ( apart from round his eye )

littlepug wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:

littlepug wrote: Brook let his mask slip in the 1st Carson Jones fight so wasn't surprised to see him tapping his eye in distress last night, what he was trying to achieve by doing that I don't really know but its a mental weakness I hate to see in a fighter, I would have more respect for him if he just sucked it up and got on with the job, he's a professional fighter and getting injured is just part of the job but letting everybody know he's injured in the middle of the fight just looked like he was already preparing an excuse for his defeat.

How did he let his mask slip in the 1st fight he dug in and won the fight then had the balls to box him again to put right a wrong......Let's not forget it wasn't Brook throwing in the towel he was trying to gut it out but look who was up against .....what's with the he's a professional fighter and getting injured is part of the job the guys got a family and future to think about its part of nobodys job to get injured. He would have been in incredible pain and he'd done better than most against GGG if the man some credit

Don't you remember the look on brooks face in the Jones fight when he visibly started feeling sorry for himself ? that's letting your mask slip, should never reveal your weaker traits to an opponent, and for the money he is getting I expect him to go all in with no complaining.

Letting the mask slip only makes the night harder. I remember Foreman raging over Bowe lying down every time Golota hit him in the balls. His attitude was you absorb all pain and show your opponent nothing. Again, Tucker had his orbital bone shattered vs Seldon and carried himself as if walking to the shop for a paper. I don't mean to criticise Brook, his challenge was wonderful, I just feel his registering his injury so graphically possibly made his night worse. Cerdan went on against LaMotta with a broken arm! I just wonder if so much soft match making ultimately robs a potentially great talent of the classic boxing mental tricks necessary to wriggle through the rocky fights.

First time he did it was probably instinctively but he shouldn't have carried it on. Nothing you can do other than quit or continue and to be fair he didn't hit the deck under some sustained heavy hitting.
But easy for us to say, must have been a big heavy shot that did it.

I was watching it on and off from a far, I felt Kell was really in the fight and thought it was too early, once I'd seen the eye I thought it was the correct decision.

He was done, would have got badly hurt if he hadn't been pulled out. Think it was only seconds from being stopped anyway.