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Enlightened-One wrote:Román González and Gennady Golovkin are both really good fighters to watch, but the Nicaraguan should be regarded as the more accomplished boxer that has faced a better challengers, which means deserves to be rated higher than the Kazakh.

Whilst GGG is the more exciting boxer to watch, because of the manner in which he disposes his challengers, the calibre of opposition he has faced has been less than impressive, regardless the reasons.

I feel that if Golovkin can score victories over the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale within the next 18 months, then GGG should assume ownership of the pound-for-pound crown, be regarded as a dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famer and also be considered as one of the all-time great middleweights.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Román González and Gennady Golovkin are both really good fighters to watch, but the Nicaraguan should be regarded as the more accomplished boxer that has faced a better challengers, which means deserves to be rated higher than the Kazakh.

Whilst GGG is the more exciting boxer to watch, because of the manner in which he disposes his challengers, the calibre of opposition he has faced has been less than impressive, regardless the reasons.

I feel that if Golovkin can score victories over the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale within the next 18 months, then GGG should assume ownership of the pound-for-pound crown, be regarded as a dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famer and also be considered as one of the all-time great middleweights.

Do you expect Golovkin to go up to 175 to fight Ward ??? I think just beating DeGale would make him p4p #1. Canelo and BJS are good wins, but no better than Brook/Lemieux/Murray.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Román González and Gennady Golovkin are both really good fighters to watch, but the Nicaraguan should be regarded as the more accomplished boxer that has faced a better challengers, which means deserves to be rated higher than the Kazakh.

Whilst GGG is the more exciting boxer to watch, because of the manner in which he disposes his challengers, the calibre of opposition he has faced has been less than impressive, regardless the reasons.

I feel that if Golovkin can score victories over the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale within the next 18 months, then GGG should assume ownership of the pound-for-pound crown, be regarded as a dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famer and also be considered as one of the all-time great middleweights.

Do you expect Golovkin to go up to 175 to fight Ward ??? I think just beating DeGale would make him p4p #1. Canelo and BJS are good wins, but no better than Brook/Lemieux/Murray.

I believe that the GGG-Ward bout would have to be staged at a catch-weight. Perhaps 172lbs.

Both these guys are HBO fighters, so the TV network would demand the bout… and if Ward can defeat Kovalev, this would be considered a massive PPV event.

In terms of James DeGale, according to the general the consensus, he’s the best 168lb-er, who happens to be unbeaten, with a significantly-sized UK fan base.

A victory over Billy Joe Saunders would make Golovkin a genuine undisputed champion, the last time anyone held this moniker, was Jermaine Taylor.

Finally, Canelo is the leading 154lb-er, the leading PPV star (after Pacquiao)… and the mainstream set of casual fans believe to be the only genuine threat to Golovkin’s unbeaten record for a fight staged at 160lbs.

So if Golovkin defeats Ward, Canelo and DeGale, he would have defeated the Ring Champions of the 154lbs, 168lbs and 175lb weight classes (he's already defeated the best 147lb-er, in Brook). The Saunders fight awards GGG the prestigious title of being the genuine undisputed world champion.

In my honest opinion, Brook, Lemieux and Murray aren’t good enough to carry the jock-strap of the guys I’ve listed.

boxing_rocks wrote:Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

ESPN share the same opinion that The Ring does, in terms of rating the guys I’ve mentioned.

If you feel that the media’s perception of the divisional rankings should be dismissed, then Golovkin may as well continue defending his world titles against second-tier anonymous unaccomplished names like he has done so before (i.e. Osumanu Adama, Curtis Stevens, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe Jr., Nobuhiro Ishida, Gabriel Rosado, Grzegorz Proksa, Makoto Fuchigami, Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma, Nilson Julio Tapia, Milton Nunez etc.).

Personally-speaking, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my idea for Golovkin to share the ring with the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale.

boxing_rocks wrote:Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Román González and Gennady Golovkin are both really good fighters to watch, but the Nicaraguan should be regarded as the more accomplished boxer that has faced a better challengers, which means deserves to be rated higher than the Kazakh.

Whilst GGG is the more exciting boxer to watch, because of the manner in which he disposes his challengers, the calibre of opposition he has faced has been less than impressive, regardless the reasons.

I feel that if Golovkin can score victories over the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale within the next 18 months, then GGG should assume ownership of the pound-for-pound crown, be regarded as a dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famer and also be considered as one of the all-time great middleweights.

Do you expect Golovkin to go up to 175 to fight Ward ??? I think just beating DeGale would make him p4p #1. Canelo and BJS are good wins, but no better than Brook/Lemieux/Murray.

I believe that the GGG-Ward bout would have to be staged at a catch-weight. Perhaps 172lbs.

Both these guys are HBO fighters, so the TV network would demand the bout… and if Ward can defeat Kovalev, this would be considered a massive PPV event.

In terms of James DeGale, according to the general the consensus, he’s the best 168lb-er, who happens to be unbeaten, with a significantly-sized UK fan base.

A victory over Billy Joe Saunders would make Golovkin a genuine undisputed champion, the last time anyone held this moniker, was Jermaine Taylor.

Finally, Canelo is the leading 154lb-er, the leading PPV star (after Pacquiao)… and the mainstream set of casual fans believe to be the only genuine threat to Golovkin’s unbeaten record for a fight staged at 160lbs.

So if Golovkin defeats Ward, Canelo and DeGale, he would have defeated the Ring Champions of the 154lbs, 168lbs and 175lb weight classes (he's already defeated the best 147lb-er, in Brook). The Saunders fight awards GGG the prestigious title of being the genuine undisputed world champion.

In my honest opinion, Brook, Lemieux and Murray aren’t good enough to carry the jock-strap of the guys I’ve listed.

For the record, I feel that Andre Ward is the only fighter that would be favoured to beat Golovkin.

Tomasino wrote:Groves has beaten DeGale.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Tomasino wrote:Groves has beaten DeGale.

George Groves defeated James DeGale almost 5½ years ago, but times have changed, with Chunky now being universally-considered the best 168lb-er.

Tomasino wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Tomasino wrote:Groves has beaten DeGale.

George Groves defeated James DeGale almost 5½ years ago, but times have changed, with Chunky now being universally-considered the best 168lb-er.

I obviously know when the fight was. You said DeGale was unbeaten

jbizzle20 wrote:For me it was Gonzalez even before this past weekend. Chocolatito is a special fighter and, despite taking some hard shots, he clearly beat Cuadras with superior skill and owned the ring. Maybe it's just pie in the sky but Gonzalez-Rigondeaux would be THE fight, below the welterweight div. Maybe too high of a climb for Choco but it would make him an f'n legend.

Enlightened-One wrote: For the record, I feel that Andre Ward is the only fighter that would be favoured to beat Golovkin.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

ESPN share the same opinion that The Ring does, in terms of rating the guys I’ve mentioned.

If you feel that the media’s perception of the divisional rankings should be dismissed, then Golovkin may as well continue defending his world titles against second-tier anonymous unaccomplished names like he has done so before (i.e. Osumanu Adama, Curtis Stevens, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe Jr., Nobuhiro Ishida, Gabriel Rosado, Grzegorz Proksa, Makoto Fuchigami, Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma, Nilson Julio Tapia, Milton Nunez etc.).

Personally-speaking, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my idea for Golovkin to share the ring with the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale.

IKSRTFO wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Ring champions??? Those titles became worthless after DLH replaced almost all personnel of the magazine.

ESPN share the same opinion that The Ring does, in terms of rating the guys I’ve mentioned.

If you feel that the media’s perception of the divisional rankings should be dismissed, then Golovkin may as well continue defending his world titles against second-tier anonymous unaccomplished names like he has done so before (i.e. Osumanu Adama, Curtis Stevens, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe Jr., Nobuhiro Ishida, Gabriel Rosado, Grzegorz Proksa, Makoto Fuchigami, Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma, Nilson Julio Tapia, Milton Nunez etc.).

Personally-speaking, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my idea for Golovkin to share the ring with the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale.

There's literally a 20lb range between these fighters.

Enlightened-One wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: ESPN share the same opinion that The Ring does, in terms of rating the guys I’ve mentioned.

If you feel that the media’s perception of the divisional rankings should be dismissed, then Golovkin may as well continue defending his world titles against second-tier anonymous unaccomplished names like he has done so before (i.e. Osumanu Adama, Curtis Stevens, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe Jr., Nobuhiro Ishida, Gabriel Rosado, Grzegorz Proksa, Makoto Fuchigami, Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma, Nilson Julio Tapia, Milton Nunez etc.).

Personally-speaking, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my idea for Golovkin to share the ring with the likes of Andre Ward, Saúl Canelo Álvarez, Billy Joe Saunders and James DeGale.

There's literally a 20lb range between these fighters.

Team GGG have been saying that nobody can go the distance with Gennady from 154lbs to 168lbs. Canelo is moving up to 160lbs. Saunders is already a 160lb-er and Abel Sanchez claims that Golovkin would be a better fighter as a super-middleweight, so there's no weight issue preventing the DeGale bout, which Loeffler stated interest in during the Brook post-fight press conference.

The only concern would be Andre Ward, who recently fought at 172lb for the Paul Smith fight. So there would have to be a catch-weight for GGG to fight the SOG.

So no. There isn't "a 20lb range between these fighters."

IKSRTFO wrote:172 is above 168 so that's not in GGG's range

Enlightened-One wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:172 is above 168 so that's not in GGG's range

Tell that to Abel Sanchez. Perhaps you can educate him.

jbizzle20 wrote:For me it was Gonzalez even before this past weekend. Chocolatito is a special fighter and, despite taking some hard shots, he clearly beat Cuadras with superior skill and owned the ring.

IKSRTFO wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:172 is above 168 so that's not in GGG's range

Tell that to Abel Sanchez. Perhaps you can educate him.

Abel Sanchez said he can beat anyone up to 168lbs. That doesn't include anything above 168.

littlepug wrote:

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:Gennady. I don't count these kids. Everybody talking about this Inoue kid, how he would KO Gonzalez. And i haven't even seen this slit eyed midget. Nor i intend to.

why not ? are you not a boxing fan ?