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Kalan wrote:

Keko wrote:

Kalan wrote:Joe Warcott lost twice to Joe Louis... then lost twice to Ezzard Charles... He finally beat Charles when he was 37 -- but I think that was a different Charles.. I think the creeping nerve disease ALS started taking it's hidden toll on Charles about that time.. Charles lost 4 of his last 5 fights and finally gave it up.. He died of ALS 14 years later, completely immobilized.

18th 07th In 1951 when he won the title of Walcot, Charles was healthy before this fight was won by Maxim for the same belt.
Half a year before he won the belt Jersey.
Disease came later!
Unfortunately because it had so many defeats later.

You can't tell when ALS starts.. It's not diagnosed for a very long time after it sets in.. It can be very subtle and slow in effecting your movements and reflexes, which sometimes takes years to progress.. You have good days and bad days, but you think you're just got too tired and worn down, and getting old.. Doctors told Charles to get more rest.. Finally when he couldn't hold a fork one day he told them "something else is going on here" and got properly diagnosed.

golden oldie wrote:

ginty wrote:

golden oldie wrote:
I get the feeling you would argue with the same brick wall Toney's one shot KO of Nunn disputes your opinion. Toney stayed in the division for another 15 months, and 7 fights, Nunn was the guy that wanted no part of it and went up to S / Middle.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_R ... ings:_1988

these rating were published the month mccallum fought graham .. mccallum was rated no7 at middleweight

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_R ... ings:_1989

and these after and micheal nunn is no4 p4p and mccallum nowhere ..

All of which means nothing.

When MM challenged Kalambay in March 88 for the WBA title, Nunn was fighting Curtis Parker for the NABF title, so there was nothing worthwhile for McCallum to fight Nunn for.

Rankings are merely opinions, and are manipulated to suit whoever is doing the ranking. World title opponents tell a different story. My contention is McCallums, are superior to Nunn's, with the obvious exception of 168, a division MM didn't fight in. As for p4p rankings, they are about as important as the Easter bunny, but if they are what float your boat, crack on.

P.S. Though I certainly couldn't be bothered looking for them, I have seen plenty of instances of posters all over the internet bemoaning rankings, including those of Boxrec.

Tomasino wrote:

littlepug wrote:juan laporte had a short run as world champ but also had losing challenges to salvador sanchez, eusebio pedroza, julio ceasar chavez. john john molina, azumah nelson, charles murray and zack padilla (only stoppage loss), also lost a defence of his world title to wilfredo gomez and non title fights to barry mcguigan and kostya tszyu, phew !

I came on to post Juan LaPorte. Even though he came up short often he was a truly excellent fighter IMO.