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Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 19:34**

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote: Tru dat
Here's the media scorecards for the Canelo-Lara bout:
• Ryan Burton (BS) : 116-112 Canelo
• All About Boxing : 115-113 Canelo
• Phil D Jay (WorldBoxingNews) : 116-112 Canelo
• The Boxing Expert : 115-113 Canelo
• Danny Flexen (Boxing News) : 117-113 Canelo
• Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing) : 115-113 Canelo
• David Greisman (BS) : 115-113 Canelo
• Lance Pugmire (LA Times) : 115-113 Canelo
• Daniel Vano (Checkhookboxing) : 115-114 Canelo
• Steve Bunce (allegedly TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Matt Knowles (3MoreRounds) : 116-112 Canelo
• Rich Marotta (KFI Radio) : 115-113 Canelo
• Pro Boxing Fans Jake : 115-113 Canelo
• Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 116-112 Canelo
• Martin Gallegas (The Boxing Channel) : 115-113 Canelo
• Ryan Bivins (Sweetboxing) : 115-113 Canelo
• FightersRated : 115-114 Canelo
• Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine) : 115-113 Canelo
• Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) : 115-113 Canelo
• Fightnews : 115-113 Canelo
• Max Kellerman (HBO) : 115-113 Canelo
• Fight Ghost : 115-113 Canelo
• Boxing Chat : 116-114 Canelo
• Ernest Gabion (Everlast) : 115-113 Canelo
• Stephen St John (Sports Radio 810 WHB) : 115-113 Canelo
• Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) : 116-112 Canelo
• Tom Gray (Ring Magazine) : 116-113 Canelo
• The Sweet Science : 115-113 Canelo
• Mario Mungia (ThaBoxingVoice) : 115-114 Canelo
• Iconic Boxing : 115-113 Canelo
• John Evans (LiveFight) : 115-113 Canelo
• Bryan Kenny (Showtime TV) : 116-112 Canelo
• Steve Adams Jnr (Punchperfectpugilism) : 116-113 Canelo
• Ciaran Shanks (Irvine Times) :115-113 Canelo
• Norm Frauenheim (Ring Magazine) : 116-114 Canelo
• Jeffrey Freeman (KODigest.TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Andreas Hale (KnockoutNation.com) : 115-113 Canelo
• Diego Morilla (XN Sports) : 115-113 Canelo
• Kenny Porter (Trainer) : 116-112 Canelo
• Abel Sanchez (Trainer) : 115-113 Canelo
• Anson Wainwright (Ring Magazine) : 115-113 Canelo

You believe in the media

Even funnier that he took the time to delete all the Lara cards. Media was fairly split, maybe 60/40 canelo.

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 19:35**

When I first started getting into boxing, there was a great spectrum of boxing scores among the media after fights.
Anyone else remember those days?

These days, too many fights have identical media scores.
Also, many editorials are describing every fight the same way.

Check the HBO commentary. Do they ever disagree anymore?
To never disagree in boxing seems too campy and strange to me.

To hear Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins make comments which insinuate they would have scored fights against themselves isn't revolting anyone else? Especially when we most of us could remember when Roy NEVER used to speak against his understanding of boxing. It was almost he was like, "shut the fornicate up Jim and Larry, neither one of you know shit". Now, all the boxer commentators are like NFL players. They're just mainstream douche packages.

Not even a Lennox Lewis. Just a bunch of yes men.

Even Kellerman used to be 100% pro-tactical boxing. Now he's begging for action.
If all the announcers are actors, what does it say about the show?

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 19:38**

I've discussed the Lara-Canelo scores with fergus before, on what else but a GGG thread: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 089&hilit=

The full list of scores was posted, and of 89 total there were 34 for Canelo and 30 for Lara, with the rest being even. So only 38 percent had Canelo winning, and none had it as wide for him as Levi Martinez did.

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 19:42**

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

You believe in the media

Even funnier that he took the time to delete all the Lara cards. Media was fairly split, maybe 60/40 canelo.

Thanks, I completely forgot the media scores. It's rarely a factor in my scoring.
Even still, there's always 1 weird Canelo card.

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 19:47**

crusader wrote:I've discussed the Lara-Canelo scores with fergus before, on what else but a GGG thread: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 089&hilit=

The full list of scores was posted, and of 89 total there were 34 for Canelo and 30 for Lara, with the rest being even. So only 38 percent had Canelo winning, and none had it as wide for him as Levi Martinez did.

Enlightened One, if this is true, why did you only post the Canelo scores?

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 19:48**

Enlightened-One wrote:Here are the media scorecards for the Canelo-Trout fight:
• Steve Farhood (Showtime TV) : 114-113 Canelo
• Paulie Malignaggi (Showtime TV) : 115-114 Canelo
• Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 114-113 Canelo
• Ryan Burton (BoxingLab) : 115-112 Canelo
• Pro-Boxing Jake 114-113 Canelo
• Billy Ferguson (spam) : 114-113 Canelo
• The Boxing Tribune 114-113 Canelo
• FightersRated 115-112 Canelo
• Corey Quincy (spam) : 116-111 Canelo
• Fightnews 114-113 Canelo
• Roe (Checkhookboxing) : 114-113 Canelo
• Victor Salazar (Thaboxingvoice) : 115-112 Canelo
• Phil D Jay (Worldboxingnews) : 115-112 Canelo
• David Lotts (Freelance) : 114-113 Canelo
• Kieran Muvaney (ESPN) : 115-112 Canelo
• Terry Dooley (BS) : 116-111 Canelo
• Jake Donovan (BS) : 115-112 Canelo
• Ramon Aranda (3morerounds) : 114-113 Canelo
• Kelsey McCarson (Thesweetscience) : 116-111 Canelo
• Steve Bunce (allegedly TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Rob Day (RingNews24) : 114-113 Canelo
• Luis Sandoval (Boxinglab) : 114-113 Canelo
• Josh McDaniel (Leaveitintheringradio) : 114-113 Canelo
• Nigel Collins (ESPN) : 115-114 Canelo

Here's the media scorecards for the Canelo-Lara bout:
• Ryan Burton (BS) : 116-112 Canelo
• All About Boxing : 115-113 Canelo
• Phil D Jay (WorldBoxingNews) : 116-112 Canelo
• The Boxing Expert : 115-113 Canelo
• Danny Flexen (Boxing News) : 117-113 Canelo
• Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing) : 115-113 Canelo
• David Greisman (BS) : 115-113 Canelo
• Lance Pugmire (LA Times) : 115-113 Canelo
• Daniel Vano (Checkhookboxing) : 115-114 Canelo
• Steve Bunce (allegedly TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Matt Knowles (3MoreRounds) : 116-112 Canelo
• Rich Marotta (KFI Radio) : 115-113 Canelo
• Pro Boxing Fans Jake : 115-113 Canelo
• Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 116-112 Canelo
• Martin Gallegas (The Boxing Channel) : 115-113 Canelo
• Ryan Bivins (Sweetboxing) : 115-113 Canelo
• FightersRated : 115-114 Canelo
• Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine) : 115-113 Canelo
• Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) : 115-113 Canelo
• Fightnews : 115-113 Canelo
• Max Kellerman (HBO) : 115-113 Canelo
• Fight Ghost : 115-113 Canelo
• Boxing Chat : 116-114 Canelo
• Ernest Gabion (Everlast) : 115-113 Canelo
• Stephen St John (Sports Radio 810 WHB) : 115-113 Canelo
• Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) : 116-112 Canelo
• Tom Gray (Ring Magazine) : 116-113 Canelo
• The Sweet Science : 115-113 Canelo
• Mario Mungia (ThaBoxingVoice) : 115-114 Canelo
• Iconic Boxing : 115-113 Canelo
• John Evans (LiveFight) : 115-113 Canelo
• Bryan Kenny (Showtime TV) : 116-112 Canelo
• Steve Adams Jnr (Punchperfectpugilism) : 116-113 Canelo
• Ciaran Shanks (Irvine Times) :115-113 Canelo
• Norm Frauenheim (Ring Magazine) : 116-114 Canelo
• Jeffrey Freeman (KODigest.TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Andreas Hale (KnockoutNation.com) : 115-113 Canelo
• Diego Morilla (XN Sports) : 115-113 Canelo
• Kenny Porter (Trainer) : 116-112 Canelo
• Abel Sanchez (Trainer) : 115-113 Canelo
• Anson Wainwright (Ring Magazine) : 115-113 Canelo

Well . . . that was certainly an objective post

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 20:14**

Tanzio wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:Here are the media scorecards for the Canelo-Trout fight:
• Steve Farhood (Showtime TV) : 114-113 Canelo
• Paulie Malignaggi (Showtime TV) : 115-114 Canelo
• Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 114-113 Canelo
• Ryan Burton (BoxingLab) : 115-112 Canelo
• Pro-Boxing Jake 114-113 Canelo
• Billy Ferguson (spam) : 114-113 Canelo
• The Boxing Tribune 114-113 Canelo
• FightersRated 115-112 Canelo
• Corey Quincy (spam) : 116-111 Canelo
• Fightnews 114-113 Canelo
• Roe (Checkhookboxing) : 114-113 Canelo
• Victor Salazar (Thaboxingvoice) : 115-112 Canelo
• Phil D Jay (Worldboxingnews) : 115-112 Canelo
• David Lotts (Freelance) : 114-113 Canelo
• Kieran Muvaney (ESPN) : 115-112 Canelo
• Terry Dooley (BS) : 116-111 Canelo
• Jake Donovan (BS) : 115-112 Canelo
• Ramon Aranda (3morerounds) : 114-113 Canelo
• Kelsey McCarson (Thesweetscience) : 116-111 Canelo
• Steve Bunce (allegedly TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Rob Day (RingNews24) : 114-113 Canelo
• Luis Sandoval (Boxinglab) : 114-113 Canelo
• Josh McDaniel (Leaveitintheringradio) : 114-113 Canelo
• Nigel Collins (ESPN) : 115-114 Canelo

Here's the media scorecards for the Canelo-Lara bout:
• Ryan Burton (BS) : 116-112 Canelo
• All About Boxing : 115-113 Canelo
• Phil D Jay (WorldBoxingNews) : 116-112 Canelo
• The Boxing Expert : 115-113 Canelo
• Danny Flexen (Boxing News) : 117-113 Canelo
• Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing) : 115-113 Canelo
• David Greisman (BS) : 115-113 Canelo
• Lance Pugmire (LA Times) : 115-113 Canelo
• Daniel Vano (Checkhookboxing) : 115-114 Canelo
• Steve Bunce (allegedly TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Matt Knowles (3MoreRounds) : 116-112 Canelo
• Rich Marotta (KFI Radio) : 115-113 Canelo
• Pro Boxing Fans Jake : 115-113 Canelo
• Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 116-112 Canelo
• Martin Gallegas (The Boxing Channel) : 115-113 Canelo
• Ryan Bivins (Sweetboxing) : 115-113 Canelo
• FightersRated : 115-114 Canelo
• Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine) : 115-113 Canelo
• Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) : 115-113 Canelo
• Fightnews : 115-113 Canelo
• Max Kellerman (HBO) : 115-113 Canelo
• Fight Ghost : 115-113 Canelo
• Boxing Chat : 116-114 Canelo
• Ernest Gabion (Everlast) : 115-113 Canelo
• Stephen St John (Sports Radio 810 WHB) : 115-113 Canelo
• Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) : 116-112 Canelo
• Tom Gray (Ring Magazine) : 116-113 Canelo
• The Sweet Science : 115-113 Canelo
• Mario Mungia (ThaBoxingVoice) : 115-114 Canelo
• Iconic Boxing : 115-113 Canelo
• John Evans (LiveFight) : 115-113 Canelo
• Bryan Kenny (Showtime TV) : 116-112 Canelo
• Steve Adams Jnr (Punchperfectpugilism) : 116-113 Canelo
• Ciaran Shanks (Irvine Times) :115-113 Canelo
• Norm Frauenheim (Ring Magazine) : 116-114 Canelo
• Jeffrey Freeman (KODigest.TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Andreas Hale (KnockoutNation.com) : 115-113 Canelo
• Diego Morilla (XN Sports) : 115-113 Canelo
• Kenny Porter (Trainer) : 116-112 Canelo
• Abel Sanchez (Trainer) : 115-113 Canelo
• Anson Wainwright (Ring Magazine) : 115-113 Canelo
Well . . . that was certainly an objective post

Agreed. It wasn't an objective post. The purpose of it though was to dispel the myths that bribery and corruption were responsible for Canelo's victories over Lara and Trout. So I listed those from the media that believed the Mexican deserved those wins.

I could have posted all of the media scorecards... and it would have proven that the majority of the journalists and those involved in the sport believed Canelo won those fights legitimately.

I'm not saying those fights weren't competitive, but to accuse the judges of criminal activity is pure utter nonsense.

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 20:29**

Enlightened-One wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:Here are the media scorecards for the Canelo-Trout fight:
• Steve Farhood (Showtime TV) : 114-113 Canelo
• Paulie Malignaggi (Showtime TV) : 115-114 Canelo
• Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 114-113 Canelo
• Ryan Burton (BoxingLab) : 115-112 Canelo
• Pro-Boxing Jake 114-113 Canelo
• Billy Ferguson (spam) : 114-113 Canelo
• The Boxing Tribune 114-113 Canelo
• FightersRated 115-112 Canelo
• Corey Quincy (spam) : 116-111 Canelo
• Fightnews 114-113 Canelo
• Roe (Checkhookboxing) : 114-113 Canelo
• Victor Salazar (Thaboxingvoice) : 115-112 Canelo
• Phil D Jay (Worldboxingnews) : 115-112 Canelo
• David Lotts (Freelance) : 114-113 Canelo
• Kieran Muvaney (ESPN) : 115-112 Canelo
• Terry Dooley (BS) : 116-111 Canelo
• Jake Donovan (BS) : 115-112 Canelo
• Ramon Aranda (3morerounds) : 114-113 Canelo
• Kelsey McCarson (Thesweetscience) : 116-111 Canelo
• Steve Bunce (allegedly TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Rob Day (RingNews24) : 114-113 Canelo
• Luis Sandoval (Boxinglab) : 114-113 Canelo
• Josh McDaniel (Leaveitintheringradio) : 114-113 Canelo
• Nigel Collins (ESPN) : 115-114 Canelo

Here's the media scorecards for the Canelo-Lara bout:
• Ryan Burton (BS) : 116-112 Canelo
• All About Boxing : 115-113 Canelo
• Phil D Jay (WorldBoxingNews) : 116-112 Canelo
• The Boxing Expert : 115-113 Canelo
• Danny Flexen (Boxing News) : 117-113 Canelo
• Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing) : 115-113 Canelo
• David Greisman (BS) : 115-113 Canelo
• Lance Pugmire (LA Times) : 115-113 Canelo
• Daniel Vano (Checkhookboxing) : 115-114 Canelo
• Steve Bunce (allegedly TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Matt Knowles (3MoreRounds) : 116-112 Canelo
• Rich Marotta (KFI Radio) : 115-113 Canelo
• Pro Boxing Fans Jake : 115-113 Canelo
• Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 116-112 Canelo
• Martin Gallegas (The Boxing Channel) : 115-113 Canelo
• Ryan Bivins (Sweetboxing) : 115-113 Canelo
• FightersRated : 115-114 Canelo
• Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine) : 115-113 Canelo
• Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) : 115-113 Canelo
• Fightnews : 115-113 Canelo
• Max Kellerman (HBO) : 115-113 Canelo
• Fight Ghost : 115-113 Canelo
• Boxing Chat : 116-114 Canelo
• Ernest Gabion (Everlast) : 115-113 Canelo
• Stephen St John (Sports Radio 810 WHB) : 115-113 Canelo
• Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) : 116-112 Canelo
• Tom Gray (Ring Magazine) : 116-113 Canelo
• The Sweet Science : 115-113 Canelo
• Mario Mungia (ThaBoxingVoice) : 115-114 Canelo
• Iconic Boxing : 115-113 Canelo
• John Evans (LiveFight) : 115-113 Canelo
• Bryan Kenny (Showtime TV) : 116-112 Canelo
• Steve Adams Jnr (Punchperfectpugilism) : 116-113 Canelo
• Ciaran Shanks (Irvine Times) :115-113 Canelo
• Norm Frauenheim (Ring Magazine) : 116-114 Canelo
• Jeffrey Freeman (KODigest.TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Andreas Hale (KnockoutNation.com) : 115-113 Canelo
• Diego Morilla (XN Sports) : 115-113 Canelo
• Kenny Porter (Trainer) : 116-112 Canelo
• Abel Sanchez (Trainer) : 115-113 Canelo
• Anson Wainwright (Ring Magazine) : 115-113 Canelo
Well . . . that was certainly an objective post
Agreed. It wasn't an objective post. The purpose of it though was to dispel the myths that bribery and corruption were responsible for Canelo's victories over Lara and Trout. So I listed those from the media that believed the Mexican deserved those wins.

I could have posted all of the media scorecards... and it would have proven that the majority of the journalists and those involved in the sport believed Canelo won those fights legitimately.

I'm not saying those fights weren't competitive, but to accuse the judges of criminal activity is pure utter nonsense.

GingerHead is open for a lot of criticism these days but (I agree) benefiting from corrupt judging in those particular fights is not accurate.

As I have posted many times, the Trout fight was open scoring. GingerHead knew the fight was won and cruised the final rounds. Lara was a fight that could have gone either way. Neither decision was out of line. There was one card in the FMJ fight that was ridiculous but it did not change the outcome and it was poetic justice.

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 20:35**

Please re-ban rover. He is the most irritating poster in the entire forum. What is funny is that he doesn't have the faintest idea how much he is hated, or why.

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 20:45**

Badhusker wrote:Please re-ban rover. He is the most irritating poster in the entire forum. What is funny is that he doesn't have the faintest idea how much he is hated, or why.

Inherent obliviousness

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 21:06**

I believe Canelo, I dont think he or GGG are scared at all. Instead i bring another perspective.
Canelo's last two fights were PPV?!?!?
We knew he would crush Khan but not completely sure about Brook.

I feel that the Mayweather business model is being duplicated, but there are some issues in doing so.

# 1 the bad guy role. No other fighter could piss fans off like Mayweather. People wanted to see him lose. Neither has "earned" the pass to "pick" opponents. Who is the villain?
# 2 Theater. Neither GGG or Canelo have anything glorious or notorious about them. Who is the villain?
# 3 Promoters. Some much personal crap between promoters limits us the fans from seeing good fights. Mayweather dropped one for the other and boom. Another point is Jerry Jones got involved and brought Canelo vs Brook in. His persuasion and business savvy may have had a bigger impact than we know.
# 4 Language Barrier. Neither of the fighters have good English. Talking smack gets lost in translation. Who is the villain? No disrespect to either fighter's country but its US views that have the most leverage.

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 21:07**

Hypocrites are always hated. When you are also as boring as Ward plus Rigo together, it leaves no choice.

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 22:02**

boxing_rocks wrote:Hypocrites are always hated. When you are also as boring as Ward plus Rigo together, it leaves no choice.

Not by everyone. Trumplicans are evidence of that.

Posted: **20 Sep 2016, 22:48**

Tanzio wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:Hypocrites are always hated. When you are also as boring as Ward plus Rigo together, it leaves no choice.
Not by everyone. Trumplicans are evidence of that.

All politicians on that level are hypocrites, and Clinton is the boring one of these two.

Posted: **21 Sep 2016, 20:44**

Loefler made an undisclosed counter-offer to DLH, and it is percentage split versus a flat fee:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la ... story.html

Posted: **21 Sep 2016, 21:28**

boxing_rocks wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:Hypocrites are always hated. When you are also as boring as Ward plus Rigo together, it leaves no choice.
Not by everyone. Trumplicans are evidence of that.
All politicians on that level are hypocrites, and Clinton is the boring one of these two.

Hilarity is not loved by a huge swath of those voting for her. She is simply a vote against Trump.

GingerHead is loved by a huge mass of humanity. They are also doing a pretty good job building a haterbase.

Posted: **21 Sep 2016, 22:19**

Tanzio wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:
Tanzio wrote: Not by everyone. Trumplicans are evidence of that.
All politicians on that level are hypocrites, and Clinton is the boring one of these two.
Hilarity is not loved by a huge swath of those voting for her. She is simply a vote against Trump.

GingerHead is loved by a huge mass of humanity. They are also doing a pretty good job building a haterbase.

I was talking about Rover/fergusg/Enlightened, not Canelo.

Posted: **22 Sep 2016, 09:00**

tigermoth87 wrote:GGG could offer Canelo a billion pounds, the chance to sleep with his sister, allow Canelo to enter the ring in armour like a medieval knight and he'd still find a way to duck.

If they offered to let his promoter ODLH wear a dress and heels and fornicate GGG's aunt....that may swing the deal

Posted: **22 Sep 2016, 16:16**

so to prove some point, this idiot posts scorecards only pro canelo ? and then claims its to prove a poitn ? wtf.

Posted: **23 Sep 2016, 08:13**

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
tigermoth87 wrote:GGG could offer Canelo a billion pounds, the chance to sleep with his sister, allow Canelo to enter the ring in armour like a medieval knight and he'd still find a way to duck.
Canelo would then insist the fight be at 153 pounds.

Suspect there will be weight stuff in the contract anyway, plus anything else that can delay, don't be surprised if Golovkin ends up going another long time not fighting trying to make this fight - which of course suits the other side.

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