BoxRec

I don't agree with Fury being a champion in recess he's never defended that title. If he had been a durable champion and had four or five defences then sure. But he can't live of one win. What if Wlad loses while he is away his win would be diminished. If he had a condition that put him out of action for a set period and the doctors could put a reliable date on his return maybe. But as it is know. Fury cant fight and once he is inactive for an entire calander year he should be declared a former champion.

No he doesn't deserve to be stripped.

WBA haven't got a mandatory in place due to the ongoing farce with Ortiz-Fres-Browne.

The only careers being stalled are Fury and Wlad and the expected rematch date is December or January.

If There was a mandatory waiting around I'd say yes.

x2x wrote:You need to wait and hear his side of the story first. A lot of these guys here, as well as the mass media owners, hate him because he isn't "politically correct".

No, they hate him because he continually behaves like an asshole. If he wants to be respected he should start by showing some respect himself and stop making offensive remarks about people he knows nothing about.

I voted: Yes

Tyson knew that Wladimir had a rematch clause in the contract when he signed it. It doesn't look like the fight is going to go through.
So I'd like to see Wladimir stepping back in to the ring against a top-class opponent to regain his old titles.

Crease wrote:I voted: Yes

Tyson knew that Wladimir had a rematch clause in the contract when he signed it. It doesn't look like the fight is going to go through.
So I'd like to see Wladimir stepping back in to the ring against a top-class opponent to regain his old titles.

Tyson Fury = worst lineal champ since Buster Douglas.

hhaehre wrote:

x2x wrote:You need to wait and hear his side of the story first. A lot of these guys here, as well as the mass media owners, hate him because he isn't "politically correct".

No, they hate him because he continually behaves like an asshole. If he wants to be respected he should start by showing some respect himself and stop making offensive remarks about people he knows nothing about.

Absolutely strip him, I find it absolutely incredible Tyson Fury has copped an attitude about not getting respect.
This is the same guy who has spent the last number of years dogging every heavyweight that moved, he starts taking a bit of stick himself and folds like a bad poker hand.
He won the title in a boring fight he participated in, isn't this the same guy who use to claim Klitschko was boring.
Another thing, Tyson may have won the title but he hasn't even defended that title a single time and he demands respect, you have got to be kidding me.
He is also the same fighter who whined and cried when David Haye cancelled on him and what does he go and do to Wladimir Klitschko ... cancel on him not once but twice.
And another thing, exactly who have you beaten in the division apart from Klitschko to earn that worldwide acclaim and respect may I ask, a washed up mentally unstable Chisora or a blown up Cruiserweight in Cunningham.
Tyson Fury sounds just like one of these mummys boys millennials who live at home with their parents have done very little to stake their claim in life and earn it through hard work with a sense of entitlement.
Grow the hell up Fury and grow and set, you want respect then earn it and defend your title like Klitschko did for many years instead of being a spoiled brat.
I don't wish any ill will upon the man but I'd be willing to bet that had this been any other fighter Tyson would have been at the front of the line slagging him off.
You want to play at elite level Fury then start performing like someone at that level does and pull your sh_t together, to get respect you have to earn it, sorry but it doesn't come without hard work.

Loki wrote:Tyson Fury = worst lineal champ since Buster Douglas.

In fairness, Shannon Briggs defeated George Foreman for the "Linear" title, so I don't know if I would go that far.

Crease wrote:

Loki wrote:Tyson Fury = worst lineal champ since Buster Douglas.

In fairness, Shannon Briggs defeated George Foreman for the "Linear" title, so I don't know if I would go that far.

Whoops, forgot about Lets Go Champ. Still, at least Dpuglas and The Cannon defended title.

He cannot fight and the rematch with Wlad did not materialize, so there is not much more to ask IMHO.

I wish him the best, but the reasons of his inactivity are not relevant here. Either defend it or vacate for others... for now his answer seems to be "let me keep it for some undefined time, maybe I will defend it one day... or maybe not".

Fury has ten days to present medical evidence.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/tyson-f ... y-the-wbo/

EXCLUSIVE! PETER FURY "THEY'D GIVE THE GOVERNING BODIES A BLOWJOB TO STRIP TYSON!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZkNdhDPWGU

x2x wrote:EXCLUSIVE! PETER FURY "THEY'D GIVE THE GOVERNING BODIES A BLOWJOB TO STRIP TYSON!"

Again, the bottomline is that they want him stripped simply because he is not fighting... so talking about blowjobs won't change the fact that they are basically right. I could understand some postponement due to flue, broken finger or whatever, but it is long beyond this stage.

Fight or get out of the way.

I hope that the Wlad fight really happens and this is just another dumb Fury trick to mess with his head.

Tony1244 wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:
Information is the most powerful commodity there is. More than £, good looks, big cock and influence. If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

Your “Sherlock Holmes logical fallacy” carries an awful lot of flaws, such assuming a version of the truth that is based on “magical” explanations built on nothing but pure unadulterated nonsense.

Simply put: there's not enough information or alternative explanations to assume your connections.

The theory that Wlad and Fury are good friends seems implausible. The Klitschko brothers are very bright, well educated guys and Fury is an imbecile. and Fury would sacrifice big money because he doesn't want to hurt him. Wow.

The idea that explained it was just meant as a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were friends on some level, there's times were the two of them looked very friendly, like that old picture of the two of them, or the more recent times when they've been talking to each other more privately.

Rob3_142 wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Manny Pacquiao has said very homophobic stuff more than once, but it's not brought constantly nearly the way it is with Fury.

Or how about the story of Anthony Joshua treating his child and his child's mother like trash, barely even made the news. Do you think Fury would get a pass?

I think the media have treated him differently, no doubt about it. But his controversial behaviour was not reserved just for after winning the world title. Threatening to hang his promiscuous sister in 2013, calling Haye and Bellew gay lovers in 2015. Openly claiming drugs should be allowed in sport. It's just not helpful for his situation, is it?

Okay, Joshua has a chequered past also, but it feels as though he has behaved in such a way that has to some degree repaired his reputation, whereas Fury has just compounded the issue by going the complete opposite direction. I've said it once, and I'll say it again, he was badly advised/managed, and his behaviour is a reflection of that. I think the examples of Pacquiao (trust me it created a poo storm in his home country) and Joshua (I think the term 'treated like trash' is an incredibly subjective stand point - what did he actually do? Put them in a dumpster?) are trying to justify Fury's actions, and for me it doesn't work.

I'm very happy for Fury to be a champion in recess, and have first crack at the current champions when he returns. It's almost 12 months now, and no sign of a fight being signed (and more importantly followed through) any time soon. If it is mental issues, it could quite easily be another 12 months. It'd be damaging for the sport for 3 world title belts to be inactive for 24 months. I personally don't see him coming back, but I hope he does.

Just a minor correction out of pettiness, it was Price and Bellew he caled gay lovers.

The thing I referred to Joshua about treating his wife and child was after he became a well known boxer. I agree he should have been managed better, he's said really stupid awful stuff and hasn't helped himself (though I disagree about the drugs in sport one, especially since he didn't even advocate taking them), but I think the media has gone way to far in painting him as a villian, especially given his history of mental issues. There's a point where critisism and condemnation crosses the line into a crusade.

Last paragraph I totally agree with, other than I'm more unsure about if he has a future in boxing.

The WBO have already given Fury a deadline prior to stripping him.

Of course strip him, if he can't defend them in a reasonable time frame then they should be made vacant, how hard is that to understand?

BitPlayer wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Manny Pacquiao has said very homophobic stuff more than once, but it's not brought constantly nearly the way it is with Fury.

Or how about the story of Anthony Joshua treating his child and his child's mother like trash, barely even made the news. Do you think Fury would get a pass?

I think the media have treated him differently, no doubt about it. But his controversial behaviour was not reserved just for after winning the world title. Threatening to hang his promiscuous sister in 2013, calling Haye and Bellew gay lovers in 2015. Openly claiming drugs should be allowed in sport. It's just not helpful for his situation, is it?

Okay, Joshua has a chequered past also, but it feels as though he has behaved in such a way that has to some degree repaired his reputation, whereas Fury has just compounded the issue by going the complete opposite direction. I've said it once, and I'll say it again, he was badly advised/managed, and his behaviour is a reflection of that. I think the examples of Pacquiao (trust me it created a poo storm in his home country) and Joshua (I think the term 'treated like trash' is an incredibly subjective stand point - what did he actually do? Put them in a dumpster?) are trying to justify Fury's actions, and for me it doesn't work.

I'm very happy for Fury to be a champion in recess, and have first crack at the current champions when he returns. It's almost 12 months now, and no sign of a fight being signed (and more importantly followed through) any time soon. If it is mental issues, it could quite easily be another 12 months. It'd be damaging for the sport for 3 world title belts to be inactive for 24 months. I personally don't see him coming back, but I hope he does.

Just a minor correction out of pettiness, it was Price and Bellew he caled gay lovers.

The thing I referred to Joshua about treating his wife and child was after he became a well known boxer. I agree he should have been managed better, he's said really stupid awful stuff and hasn't helped himself (though I disagree about the drugs in sport one, especially since he didn't even advocate taking them), but I think the media has gone way to far in painting him as a villian, especially given his history of mental issues. There's a point where critisism and condemnation crosses the line into a crusade.

Last paragraph I totally agree with, other than I'm more unsure about if he has a future in boxing.

I'm sorry, I still don't know what you're referring to when you're talking about how terrible Joshua has apparently treated his wife (?????) and his baby. As far as I am aware Joshua is not married, and if breaking up with his wife/girlfriend constitutes treating her like trash, then we're all in a lot of trouble. Further to that, The Mirror reports that he bought his missus an apartment in London for £500,000, which I think we all agree is awful treatment. You didn't see Fury buying any homosexuals any property as a result of his comments. If you could at any point elaborate on what he actually did wrong, that would be really helpful.

As a sports person, and an ambassador for the sport, advocating the use of drugs is only going to further alienate himself from other athletes which take things serious, and the fans which trust that athletes are doing what they can to stay clean (cue a long debate about how no athletes are clean...). Especially considering the recent UKAD scandals which have surfaced, his position on drugs in sports in general, and his refusal to provide samples recently during a UKAD visit.

Finally, Tyson Fury is a villain, no painting necessary. Tyson Fury was very popular when he won that fight against Klitchko, none more than by the people in the sport. He broke the monotonous chain of Klitchko, he was the breathe of fresh air, he was the one who shook the division from its foundations. Where he is now is purely self inflicted. His 'history of mental issues' is not well documented. If he had any kind of mental illness, he would not be sanctioned to box. Any mental issues were personality disorders at absolute best, but as has already been touched on by someone on a different post, personality disorders are not uncommon in the sport.

Rob3_142 wrote:I'm sorry, I still don't know what you're referring to when you're talking about how terrible Joshua has apparently treated his wife (?????) and his baby. As far as I am aware Joshua is not married, and if breaking up with his wife/girlfriend constitutes treating her like trash, then we're all in a lot of trouble. Further to that, The Mirror reports that he bought his missus an apartment in London for £500,000, which I think we all agree is awful treatment. You didn't see Fury buying any homosexuals any property as a result of his comments. If you could at any point elaborate on what he actually did wrong, that would be really helpful.

Fair enough I should have posted the link. https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/ ... h-newborn/

As a sports person, and an ambassador for the sport, advocating the use of drugs is only going to further alienate himself from other athletes which take things serious, and the fans which trust that athletes are doing what they can to stay clean (cue a long debate about how no athletes are clean...). Especially considering the recent UKAD scandals which have surfaced, his position on drugs in sports in general, and his refusal to provide samples recently during a UKAD visit.

I think the UKAD scandels if anything strengthen the case for legalizing them, he's not advocating cheating just a rule change. It really depends on your opinions of it all though. I think the refusal to give samples was likely due to his mental issues, though rreally it was long after the .

Finally, Tyson Fury is a villain, no painting necessary. Tyson Fury was very popular when he won that fight against Klitchko, none more than by the people in the sport. He broke the monotonous chain of Klitchko, he was the breathe of fresh air, he was the one who shook the division from its foundations. Where he is now is purely self inflicted. His 'history of mental issues' is not well documented. If he had any kind of mental illness, he would not be sanctioned to box. Any mental issues were personality disorders at absolute best, but as has already been touched on by someone on a different post, personality disorders are not uncommon in the sport.

People praised him to various degrees but he was getting tons of critism both before and just after it, the bulk of his statements were before that fight too.

THere's been stuff talking about himhaving depresson for a while, well documented was the wrong term, but if you do a search his issues with depresson have been brought up amny times.

If he can't defend the titles in the specified time frame, he should be stripped. A year is a long time. He procrastinated and didn't schedule his defense until the end of the time frame. If he had immediately fought the rematch we wouldn't be talking about this.

This sets up some very intriguing matchups.

Klitschko has mulitple options. IBF vs Joshua, WBA vs Ortiz, or WBO vs Parker. I think the IBF is the biggest $$$ fight, but the WBO route in Australia would be huge $$$ as well. Ortiz is too much risk vs little reward.

I suspect what we will see is Joshua vs Klit for IBF, Ortiz vs Ustinov for WBA, and Parker vs Ruiz for WBO.

I think in the future we will see the IBF, WBC, and WBO champs fighting each other. I don't think anyone will fight Ortiz for 2 reasons. #1 high risk/low reward and #2 he is already complaining about not being paid enough. Imagine what he will be demanding when he is champ. I think he would be very difficult to get any kind of reasonable deal done with.

Sorry guys but due to a U.S court order Lucas Browne must fight Fres Oquendo for the WBA title.
So I guess this has to happen unless Oquendo pulls out of the proposed fight.

I have the feeling Tyson has some illegal substance in his body and because of that avoids fights for the time being, to come back after he's sure it's untraceble. That's just pure speculation, but I can't explain the behaviour he's showing right now for other reasons. He doesn't even say that he can't focus on top level since he had a child or something, it's just pure random, quite weak excuses.

SteveO wrote:Sorry guys but due to a U.S court order Lucas Browne must fight Fres Oquendo for the WBA title.
So I guess this has to happen unless Oquendo pulls out of the proposed fight.

Regular title.