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gilgamesh wrote:

man wrote:to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

I don't know where people get this sh*t from. Floyd beat Oscar as clearly as he beat guys like Robert Guerrero.

Jose Luis Castillo DID beat Floyd, the judges just f*cked him.
Marcos Maidana beat Floyd in my opinion, but it was close so I wouldn't call it a robbery.
Shane Mosley almost knocked Floyd out

I had Floyd vs Oscar scored 117-111 for Floyd. Where people get this idea that it was one of Floyd's closest fights I don't understand...Floyd had many a fight that ended with scores of 117-111 in his favor.

gilgamesh wrote:

man wrote:to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

I don't know where people get this sh*t from. Floyd beat Oscar as clearly as he beat guys like Robert Guerrero.

Jose Luis Castillo DID beat Floyd, the judges just f*cked him.
Marcos Maidana beat Floyd in my opinion, but it was close so I wouldn't call it a robbery.
Shane Mosley almost knocked Floyd out

I had Floyd vs Oscar scored 117-111 for Floyd. Where people get this idea that it was one of Floyd's closest fights I don't understand...Floyd had many a fight that ended with scores of 117-111 in his favor.

lazboy wrote:Mosley wobbled him. It was a good shot. He recovered well.

golden oldie wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

golden oldie wrote:Owes boxing sweet ferk all, deserves every penny it has given him. Ducked NO ONE, was involved in some of the biggest fights in recent years, and through his looks and marketability made some parasitical scum very wealthy along the way.

Boxing owes him nothing he owes Boxing........... richer then his wildest dream's yes he did fight every body that's what the problem is because as a promoter he is a joke.He is one of the main promoter's killing the game.

Erm,,,, WTF has " Golden Boy Promotions " got to do with Oscar De La Hoya the FIGHTER?

lazboy wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

man wrote:to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

I don't know where people get this sh*t from. Floyd beat Oscar as clearly as he beat guys like Robert Guerrero.

Jose Luis Castillo DID beat Floyd, the judges just f*cked him.
Marcos Maidana beat Floyd in my opinion, but it was close so I wouldn't call it a robbery.
Shane Mosley almost knocked Floyd out

I had Floyd vs Oscar scored 117-111 for Floyd. Where people get this idea that it was one of Floyd's closest fights I don't understand...Floyd had many a fight that ended with scores of 117-111 in his favor.

I'm really surprised to read this from someone that has over 20 000 posts. I really can't understand why you don't think De la hoya Mayweather was close. That you believe Maidana won. After round 6 Floyd dominated him, more so than in their second fight. Mosley wobbled him. It was a good shot. He recovered well.

golden oldie wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

golden oldie wrote:Owes boxing sweet ferk all, deserves every penny it has given him. Ducked NO ONE, was involved in some of the biggest fights in recent years, and through his looks and marketability made some parasitical scum very wealthy along the way.

Boxing owes him nothing he owes Boxing........... richer then his wildest dream's yes he did fight every body that's what the problem is because as a promoter he is a joke.He is one of the main promoter's killing the game.

Erm,,,, WTF has " Golden Boy Promotions " got to do with Oscar De La Hoya the FIGHTER?

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

man wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

in a way you are right, yet on the another
one would not take SRR's last fights has the
lense through which his career is judged.

to me trinidad loss is not a real loss. while
i do not see it as a terrible robbery as many
including oscar did at the time, it is still
just his own - or his corner's - stupidity
which did cost him this one.

losing close twice against prime shane is
no shame ( :) ). similar argument for losing
to prime floyd. hopkins: crazy to go for that
fight to begin with.

i am aware i am kind go arguing away his
losses while not mentioning controversial
wins like storm. but i think it is important
that floyd probably would have lost his "0"
long time ago had he pursued the same
strategy of "i want to fight the very best i
can get in every fight."

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

man wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

in a way you are right, yet on the another
one would not take SRR's last fights has the
lense through which

...

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

I totally agree he [Oscar] never waited for the right moment like Floyd was renowned for when challenging himself and in my opinion the Mayweather fight was the toss of a coin I had Floyd a slight winner that night but I watched it with a bloke who had well over 100 fight's and he thought Oscar deserved the decision I didn't argue the point with him the night he beat 41-0 Miguel Angel Gonzalez he looked unbeatable his jab was OUT-OF-THIS-WORLD I WISH HE USED THE SAME METHIOD HE WENT BY WHEN HE WAS FIGHTING AND THAT WAS TO FIGHT THE VERY BEST OUT THERE AND CHALLENGE HIMSELF AND GET PAYED WELL the way he is handling the Canelo/GGG thing is ridiculous anyway he would have held his own in just about any era but not as a promoter he's way way down that list.

man wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

man wrote: in a way you are right, yet on the another
one would not take SRR's last fights has the
lense through which

...

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

I totally agree he [Oscar] never waited for the right moment like Floyd was renowned for when challenging himself and in my opinion the Mayweather fight was the toss of a coin I had Floyd a slight winner that night but I watched it with a bloke who had well over 100 fight's and he thought Oscar deserved the decision I didn't argue the point with him the night he beat 41-0 Miguel Angel Gonzalez he looked unbeatable his jab was OUT-OF-THIS-WORLD I WISH HE USED THE SAME METHIOD HE WENT BY WHEN HE WAS FIGHTING AND THAT WAS TO FIGHT THE VERY BEST OUT THERE AND CHALLENGE HIMSELF AND GET PAYED WELL the way he is handling the Canelo/GGG thing is ridiculous anyway he would have held his own in just about any era but not as a promoter he's way way down that list.

i actually have nothing to say about
oscar delahoya promoter. for me that
has nothing to do with him as a fighter.
not a thing.

golden oldie wrote:Thing is though Man, he was ALWAYS willing to fight the cream. That is how you can come to the conclusion he was just below them. How many so called " ATG's " are there these days who would do anything to avoid the best available?

man wrote:to me an all time great. just loved the
way he fought and how he managed his
career and he came closest to beating a
prime floyd.

i feel he is usually under appreciated by
the board in general.

to me his record has only one dirty spot:
the last three rounds against tito. aside
of that: great, great fighter.

golden oldie wrote:

man wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

in a way you are right, yet on the another
one would not take SRR's last fights has the
lense through which his career is judged.

to me trinidad loss is not a real loss. while
i do not see it as a terrible robbery as many
including oscar did at the time, it is still
just his own - or his corner's - stupidity
which did cost him this one.

losing close twice against prime shane is
no shame ( :) ). similar argument for losing
to prime floyd. hopkins: crazy to go for that
fight to begin with.

i am aware i am kind go arguing away his
losses while not mentioning controversial
wins like storm. but i think it is important
that floyd probably would have lost his "0"
long time ago had he pursued the same
strategy of "i want to fight the very best i
can get in every fight."

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

Thing is though Man, he was ALWAYS willing to fight the cream. That is how you can come to the conclusion he was just below them. How many so called " ATG's " are there these days who would do anything to avoid the best available?

man wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:the BIGGEST fight's he had he came up 2nd best on too many occasion's to rate him up with the like's of Robinson/Pep/Moore/Leonard/Armstrong /Monzon/Duran/Ali etc etc etc

in a way you are right, yet on the another
one would not take SRR's last fights has the
lense through which his career is judged.

to me trinidad loss is not a real loss. while
i do not see it as a terrible robbery as many
including oscar did at the time, it is still
just his own - or his corner's - stupidity
which did cost him this one.

losing close twice against prime shane is
no shame ( :) ). similar argument for losing
to prime floyd. hopkins: crazy to go for that
fight to begin with.

i am aware i am kind go arguing away his
losses while not mentioning controversial
wins like storm. but i think it is important
that floyd probably would have lost his "0"
long time ago had he pursued the same
strategy of "i want to fight the very best i
can get in every fight."

all in all i actually come the same conclusion
as you, oscar is just this little below the very
cream.

IKSRTFO wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:First time I ever heard that ODLH took a dive against Hopkins.

Looked 150% legit to me.

It wasn't a shot to the belly. It was a liver punch, and as "Man" just opined, it's the kind of punch that causes excruciating pain and pretty much paralyzes you for about 30 seconds.

DLH had far too much pride to go down in a dive.

And for what reason? He didn't need any extra money. He earned more than $300 million in purses.

Oscar is definitely HOF material.

He was the face of boxing as Tyson faded, and was a household name to even casual fans.

A DLH fight was an event.

Oscar fought them all. Ridiculous to think at one time he was branded "Chicken De la Hoya"

He was far over his best weight at 160 but fought pretty much even with the great Hopkins until the end.

Give Oscar his due. Maybe he wasn't the GOAT, and let outside interests partially derail his success (remember when he cut an album during training for the Trinidad bout?).

But he took on everyone, beat most (and some of those decisions against him---Mosely, Tito---were very suspect) and kept our favorite sport in the spotlight.

Boxing owes a big round of thanks to Oscar de la Hoya.

This point is often forgotten. Some people need to rewatch that fight.

golden oldie wrote:

Kalan wrote:They do... Both Mosley and Trinidad wanted IMMEDIATE rematches with De La Hoya... Oscar turned down all reasonable offers for the red-hot rematches, even though he lost both fights... It wasn't until Mosley had a 3-fight winless streak going that Oscar thought he was vulnerable...That was years later... He never did rematch Tito, and offers galore were were given him for that fight over the years... He also turned down all over offers to unify 154 with Winky Wright and fought the washed up Campas instead... I always thought DLH was way overrated anyway, but facts are facts... He was a ducker and nobody can deny it.

Yes...Ray Robinson was another who carefully selected his opponents to avoid defeat.. although SRR was a much better boxer than DLH.. When Ralph Jones beat SRR he turned down the rematch.. When Joey Maxim beat SRR, he turned down the rematch, retired for 2 years, and never fought LHW again.

Sources for those accusations?

I have to say I find your viewpoint comical if nothing else. So now fighters rather than wanting rematches against guys that beat them, want IMMEDIATE rematches against fighters they have beaten. Is this only in Kalansville, or a universal ploy?

So lets get this straight. Are you claiming that Tito threw his toys out of his pram and fought David Reid for the 154 title 6 months after beating Oscar because DLH refused him an immediate rematch? Then he stayed there for a further 15 months, before planning to go up yet again to 160 and fight Joppy. Meanwhile DeLaHoya was still campaigning at 147.

I think your imagination could put Hans Christian Andersen to shame.

golden oldie wrote:

Kalan wrote:

golden oldie wrote:
Sources for those accusations?

I have to say I find your viewpoint comical if nothing else. So now fighters rather than wanting rematches against guys that beat them, want IMMEDIATE rematches against fighters they have beaten. Is this only in Kalansville, or a universal ploy?

So lets get this straight. Are you claiming that Tito threw his toys out of his pram and fought David Reid for the 154 title 6 months after beating Oscar because DLH refused him an immediate rematch? Then he stayed there for a further 15 months, before planning to go up yet again to 160 and fight Joppy. Meanwhile DeLaHoya was still campaigning at 147.

I think your imagination could put Hans Christian Andersen to shame.

You're full of crap clear up to your eyeballs.. Put your brain in gear before you start reading.. Both Mosley and Trinidad tried very hard to get red-hot rematches with De La Hoya... They wanted to beat him again because some Oscar fans questioned their 1st victories over him -- and they were the biggest money fights they could possibly get anyway.. Naturally they took other opportunities when Oscar ducked and flat out refused to fight them.. Winky Wright tried very hard to get a unification fight with Oscar when they were both 154-pound champions... Eventually Winky got one with Mosley -- who DID rematch him.

So basically you are accusing DLH of cowardice because being the biggest cash cow in the game at the time, he stopped two parasites from earning their 2nd biggest paydays of their careers immediately after he granted them the 1st ones.

You are one weirdo.

Kalan wrote:
You're full of crap clear up to your eyeballs.. Put your brain in gear before you start reading.. Both Mosley and Trinidad tried very hard to get red-hot rematches with De La Hoya... They wanted to beat him again because some Oscar fans questioned their 1st victories over him -- and they were the biggest money fights they could possibly get anyway.. Naturally they took other opportunities when Oscar ducked and flat out refused to fight them.. Winky Wright tried very hard to get a unification fight with Oscar when they were both 154-pound champions... Eventually Winky got one with Mosley -- who DID rematch him.

gilgamesh wrote:

Kalan wrote:
You're full of crap clear up to your eyeballs.. Put your brain in gear before you start reading.. Both Mosley and Trinidad tried very hard to get red-hot rematches with De La Hoya... They wanted to beat him again because some Oscar fans questioned their 1st victories over him -- and they were the biggest money fights they could possibly get anyway.. Naturally they took other opportunities when Oscar ducked and flat out refused to fight them.. Winky Wright tried very hard to get a unification fight with Oscar when they were both 154-pound champions... Eventually Winky got one with Mosley -- who DID rematch him.

Before Mosley ever fought Winky Wright, he had gotten his rematch with Oscar that he wanted, and he lost again. I'm not that high on Oscar these days with the way he's behaving as Canelo's promoter, but to pretend he ducked anybody in his time as a fighter is absurd. You'd have a hard time naming any fighter over the last 25 years who faced stiff competition as routinely as Oscar did.

Mosley, Felix Sturm, Bernard Hopkins...all right in a row at one point. Felix Sturm was the soft touch opponent in that mix.