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Posted: **24 Oct 2016, 02:58**

Fitzy901 wrote:I've heard alot of people suggesting Gavin lost last night's fight because he should be a lightweight/ Light-Welterweight.

In my humble uneducated opinion, the reason for last night's defeat runs much deeper then him being at the wrong weight.

Yes Sam looked alot bigger and yes he is not at the correct weight, but I believe the problem mainly relates to people getting too hyped up about his World Amateur Championship win.

However, many of the GB team which was around when Gavin was the height of his head guard days have struggled with the physicality of the pro game.

I saw someone earlier likening the amateur game of 2007/2008 as fencing with gloves, and I tend to agree.

Yes Gavin is a skilled boxer, but there are hundreds of skilled fighters who don't have toughness,dig,conditioning o,physicality or chin to become a World Champion, unfortunately Frankie Gavin is one of them.

It's sad but he has completely messed his own career up now, and I don't believe making 140lbs wil make any difference.

It is laughable however, that he thought he could go to the top in a division that contains some absolute beasts. Could you imagine what Shaun Porter would of done to poor Frankie last night?

Like I said earlier, I imagine he isn't in a good place right now. It is going to really hurt losing to a guy who he believed he was leagues above and I think that has been his problem his whole career.

I doubt he trained as hard as really could.

Very sad and as stupid as it sounds i didnt enjoy watching him lose like that.

I wouldn't question his toughness, he could have taken himself out of the fight earlier but he got back up every time and fought back.

Weight is crucial these days. Fighters do everything grey can to put themselves in a weight class that will give them every possible advantage. Gavin did the opposite. Welterweight has fellas that can be huge at the weight and he went into it because he didn't want to live the life.

Hatton didn't live the life all year but for his 13 week camp he gave it everything and got the rewards in the ring and the financial rewards outside

Posted: **24 Oct 2016, 07:35**

Just not as good as the hype suggested. Always an excuse with him. Seven years as a pro and never really impressed and never shown me all these skills he apparently has. Amateurs and pros are two different sports. His style suits one. And clearly hasn't suited the other.

Posted: **24 Oct 2016, 07:38**

elephant man wrote:Just not as good as the hype suggested. Always an excuse with him. Seven years as a pro and never really impressed and never shown me all these skills he apparently has. Amateurs and pros are two different sports. His style suits one. And clearly hasn't suited the other.

Wouldn't even say it's an excuse he can use. The fault lies with him and him only. He won't make the effort to make the most of his window in the sport. That isn't an excuse, just a cold, hard fact

Posted: **24 Oct 2016, 07:44**

freddydoesdallas wrote:
elephant man wrote:Just not as good as the hype suggested. Always an excuse with him. Seven years as a pro and never really impressed and never shown me all these skills he apparently has. Amateurs and pros are two different sports. His style suits one. And clearly hasn't suited the other.
Wouldn't even say it's an excuse he can use. The fault lies with him and him only. He won't make the effort to make the most of his window in the sport. That isn't an excuse, just a cold, hard fact

True enough. I'm just of the opinion that even if he was arsed to make 140 years ago he'd still be the same type of boxer and nowhere near the level some predicted for him when he turned over. But as with the Bundu fight he showed he is a tough kid who has a lot of heart. Which makes it even more surprising his lack of dedication in giving it everything on this short career.

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