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ValMar wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Fury got knocked down because he was goofing around. Wlad landed a couple solid punches (and headbuts) and never really hurt him.

Are we going to call Ali chinny too because he was knocked down (and badly hurt) by a tiny Henry Cooper?

I have to repeat : Fury is elusive, crafty, tricky, but his chin is a weak one. Can you imagine Kovalev to be dropped by Crawford ?

If he was goofing and off balance, sure.

If he was chinny Wlad would have atleast got him in trouble.

BitPlayer wrote:

ValMar wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Fury got knocked down because he was goofing around. Wlad landed a couple solid punches (and headbuts) and never really hurt him.

Are we going to call Ali chinny too because he was knocked down (and badly hurt) by a tiny Henry Cooper?

I have to repeat : Fury is elusive, crafty, tricky, but his chin is a weak one. Can you imagine Kovalev to be dropped by Crawford ?

If he was goofing and off balance, sure.

If he was chinny Wlad would have atleast got him in trouble.

Wlad couldn't catch him properly.

crusader wrote:Pac used to be fragile (almost stopped by a jab from an average hitter and down regularly) but his durabilty has been fine for at least the past decade.

I wouldn't say he's excellent, but Linares is another top fighter with a shaky chin.

That itself is a little suspicious to me.

He doesnt really fit the original question but Ismayl Sillakh is a guy I believe had the potential to be excellent but his punch resistance is just dire.

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ValMar wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

ValMar wrote:
I have to repeat : Fury is elusive, crafty, tricky, but his chin is a weak one. Can you imagine Kovalev to be dropped by Crawford ?

If he was goofing and off balance, sure.

If he was chinny Wlad would have atleast got him in trouble.

Wlad couldn't catch him properly.

Maybe with nothing brilliant be we are talking a top puncher, a man Chris Byrd described as punching 3X harder than Vitali, a big puncher too.

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ValMar wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Fury got knocked down because he was goofing around. Wlad landed a couple solid punches (and headbuts) and never really hurt him.

Are we going to call Ali chinny too because he was knocked down (and badly hurt) by a tiny Henry Cooper?

I have to repeat : Fury is elusive, crafty, tricky, but his chin is a weak one. Can you imagine Kovalev to be dropped by Crawford ?

Maybe not but I can imagine Kovalev being dropped by Blake Caparello.

Some fighters just touch down every now and then. Khan and (less so) Wlad have repeatedly shown difficulty in absorbing a hard punch. Sometimes even just a hard jab. Generally guys like that don't make it to the top whatever their talents (Silakh, maybe Korabov, David Price (never all that talented but could've done more with a better chin)).

ValMar wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Fury got knocked down because he was goofing around. Wlad landed a couple solid punches (and headbuts) and never really hurt him.

Are we going to call Ali chinny too because he was knocked down (and badly hurt) by a tiny Henry Cooper?

I have to repeat : Fury is elusive, crafty, tricky, but his chin is a weak one. Can you imagine Kovalev to be dropped by Crawford ?

Tyson Fury does not have a weak chin. Heavens it's like some people have never watched boxing before on here.

ValMar wrote:I will try to make a proper list of excellent fighters with the soft chin :

1. Rigondeaux
2. Khan
3. Fury
4. W. Klitschko
5. Pacquiao

What do you think about my list ? Do you agree ?

NO!!! Pacquiao has been stopped only once with a head shot -- a perfect punch -- in 21 years of professional boxing... Fury is not chinny and has never been stopped.. Has he got a great chin??? NO...but he's not afraid to get hit because he can absorb his share.. Rigondeaux, I agree.. He's very wary of getting hit.. Khan is chinny and fights scared.. Klitschko is wary like Rigondeaux.. He's always a little on edge versus punchers like Haye, Fury, Povetkin, or even Wach.. Wlad can never relax 100%.. If a guy isn't confident in his chin he's usually not exciting to watch, because he fights too defensively.

There are some exceptions to that... Bob Satterfield had a weak chin but would usually blow his opponents away... "I try to get them before they get me."

Kalan wrote:

ValMar wrote:I will try to make a proper list of excellent fighters with the soft chin :

1. Rigondeaux
2. Khan
3. Fury
4. W. Klitschko
5. Pacquiao

What do you think about my list ? Do you agree ?

NO!!! Pacquiao has been stopped only once with a head shot -- a perfect punch -- in 21 years of professional boxing... Fury is not chinny and has never been stopped.. Has he got a great chin??? NO...but he's not afraid to get hit because he can absorb his share.. Rigondeaux, I agree.. He's very wary of getting hit.. Khan is chinny and fights scared.. Klitschko is wary like Rigondeaux.. He's always a little on edge versus punchers like Haye, Fury, Povetkin, or even Wach.. Wlad can never relax 100%.. If a guy isn't confident in his chin he's usually not exciting to watch, because he fights too defensively.

There are some exceptions to that... Bob Satterfield had a weak chin but would usually blow his opponents away... "I try to get them before they get me."

Earnie Shavers also fits that bill.

lefty wrote:He doesnt really fit the original question but Ismayl Sillakh is a guy I believe had the potential to be excellent but his punch resistance is just dire.

Same here, I remember watching on FNF, and he was going to be pretty decent. Any takers Thomas Williams?

Broner is not excellent, but he is a very good boxer (8/10), but his chin is perhaps 5/10.
Price is an average fighter with excellent power (10/10), without a chin (1/10).
I doubt that Thurman could have some hidden chin issues; I hope we'll know very soon.

ValMar wrote:Broner is not excellent, but he is a very good boxer (8/10), but his chin is perhaps 5/10.
Price is an average fighter with excellent power (10/10), without a chin (1/10).
I doubt that Thurman could have some hidden chin issues; I hope we'll know very soon.

I disagree. Broner's chin isn't steel but it's pretty good. His chin is what kept him in the Maidana and Porter fights.

IKSRTFO wrote:

ValMar wrote:Broner is not excellent, but he is a very good boxer (8/10), but his chin is perhaps 5/10.
Price is an average fighter with excellent power (10/10), without a chin (1/10).
I doubt that Thurman could have some hidden chin issues; I hope we'll know very soon.

I disagree. Broner's chin isn't steel but it's pretty good. His chin is what kept him in the Maidana and Porter fights.

Maidana destroyed him, AB has been really hurt, he staggered, wobbled. OK, Maidana was a very decent puncher, but, AB's chin is pretty average.

IKSRTFO wrote:

ValMar wrote:Broner is not excellent, but he is a very good boxer (8/10), but his chin is perhaps 5/10.
Price is an average fighter with excellent power (10/10), without a chin (1/10).
I doubt that Thurman could have some hidden chin issues; I hope we'll know very soon.

I disagree. Broner's chin isn't steel but it's pretty good. His chin is what kept him in the Maidana and Porter fights.

Porter's not a big hitter, and Maidana gets over anxious and doesn't pick his shots well when he has guys hurt. That's what kept him in those fights as much as anything.

His biggest problem is the way he just shuts down and covers up on the ropes when someone applies skillful pressure to him. He thinks he's a defensive wizard or something and he's getting tagged with at least 1 out of every 4 or 5 shots when this is happening so he's losing large stretches of rounds when he just turtles up like that.

Granados is an aggressive fighter, so he has a very good chance of exposing this flaw in Broner's game once again.

ValMar wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

ValMar wrote:Broner is not excellent, but he is a very good boxer (8/10), but his chin is perhaps 5/10.
Price is an average fighter with excellent power (10/10), without a chin (1/10).
I doubt that Thurman could have some hidden chin issues; I hope we'll know very soon.

I disagree. Broner's chin isn't steel but it's pretty good. His chin is what kept him in the Maidana and Porter fights.

Maidana destroyed him, AB has been really hurt, he staggered, wobbled. OK, Maidana was a very decent puncher, but, AB's chin is pretty average.

An average chin doesn't make him chinny

gilgamesh wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

ValMar wrote:Broner is not excellent, but he is a very good boxer (8/10), but his chin is perhaps 5/10.
Price is an average fighter with excellent power (10/10), without a chin (1/10).
I doubt that Thurman could have some hidden chin issues; I hope we'll know very soon.

I disagree. Broner's chin isn't steel but it's pretty good. His chin is what kept him in the Maidana and Porter fights.

Porter's not a big hitter, and Maidana gets over anxious and doesn't pick his shots well when he has guys hurt. That's what kept him in those fights as much as anything.

His biggest problem is the way he just shuts down and covers up on the ropes when someone applies skillful pressure to him. He thinks he's a defensive wizard or something and he's getting tagged with at least 1 out of every 4 or 5 shots when this is happening so he's losing large stretches of rounds when he just turtles up like that.

Granados is an aggressive fighter, so he has a very good chance of exposing this flaw in Broner's game once again.

That doesn't mean he has a weak chin or that he's chinny.

IKSRTFO wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:
I disagree. Broner's chin isn't steel but it's pretty good. His chin is what kept him in the Maidana and Porter fights.

Porter's not a big hitter, and Maidana gets over anxious and doesn't pick his shots well when he has guys hurt. That's what kept him in those fights as much as anything.

His biggest problem is the way he just shuts down and covers up on the ropes when someone applies skillful pressure to him. He thinks he's a defensive wizard or something and he's getting tagged with at least 1 out of every 4 or 5 shots when this is happening so he's losing large stretches of rounds when he just turtles up like that.

Granados is an aggressive fighter, so he has a very good chance of exposing this flaw in Broner's game once again.

That doesn't mean he has a weak chin or that he's chinny.

No I don't think he's got a weak chin exactly, but he can't deal with pressure. At least not when it's applied skillfully.

IKSRTFO wrote:

ValMar wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:
I disagree. Broner's chin isn't steel but it's pretty good. His chin is what kept him in the Maidana and Porter fights.

Maidana destroyed him, AB has been really hurt, he staggered, wobbled. OK, Maidana was a very decent puncher, but, AB's chin is pretty average.

An average chin doesn't make him chinny

I didn't put him on my list, and I didn't tell that he was chinny. First, he is not an excellent boxer...And, his chin is average one....

ValMar wrote:I will try to make a proper list of excellent fighters with the soft chin :

1. Rigondeaux
2. Khan
3. Fury
4. W. Klitschko
5. Pacquiao

What do you think about my list ? Do you agree ?

manny is chinny? what?

BitPlayer wrote:

ValMar wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: If he was goofing and off balance, sure.

If he was chinny Wlad would have atleast got him in trouble.

Wlad couldn't catch him properly.

Maybe with nothing brilliant be we are talking a top puncher, a man Chris Byrd described as punching 3X harder than Vitali, a big puncher too.

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Those weren't the best shots Wlad landed... and nothing had much effect on Fury... He certainly never cringed or ran, and got right in WK's face.

BitPlayer wrote:

ValMar wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: If he was goofing and off balance, sure.

If he was chinny Wlad would have atleast got him in trouble.

Wlad couldn't catch him properly.

Maybe with nothing brilliant be we are talking a top puncher, a man Chris Byrd described as punching 3X harder than Vitali, a big puncher too.

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Those weren't the best shots Wlad landed... and nothing had much effect on Fury... He certainly never cringed or ran, and got right in WK's face.

It's interesting that Wladimir jumped back after landing those shots, instead of staying in there and following up with a flurry.

You have no understanding of what a glass chin is. Is not about getting knocked down... it's about those who can't get up

..I actually think that if they drop you easily - that's your "chin"...if you can't get up, that's your "balls"