There's Never Been A Boxer With The Same Style As......

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Mike Tyson. It's so rare that I can't remember the last time I've ever seen a fighter use this exact style. You'd think with Tyson's popularity that more prospects would try it but you don't see it. Patterson was close but still different in that his defensive stance was much more open than Tyson's. There are probably only about two trainers left in the world who could teach this style, Teddy Atlas and Kevin Rooney. Once they die, I don't know that there will be any other true peek-a-boo trainers left.
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The news reports on Rosenbloom would indicate he was a bit like the way you described Loche.
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keithmoonhangover wrote:
Kalan wrote:The Boxer with the most unique style I've see was Dmitry Pirog... He switched his feet up in ways nobody teaches you, and his freaky feints were like nobody teaches... Then he threw from weird angles off the wrong foot and and sure confused the Hell out of Daniel Jacobs.

Vasyl Lomachenko moves his feet so much, and throws such sustained combinations of good punches it's pretty freaky.

Henry Armstrong got away with butting and pushing with his head like nobody else ever did... He was DQ'd a couple times and he had 4 and 5 points taken sometimes... But he never stopped with the pushing and shoving and the head-butts.

Fighting Harada was a freaky switch hitter who could keep throwing while he changed stances... He was the only fighter to beat Jofre.

Nicolino Locche was a comedian/boxer... His goal was to make his opponent look foolish and make the audience laugh... He fought 5th rate opponents almost exclusively, so he was able to make his agenda happen quite frequently.

Max Baer was the clown-prince of Boxing... He would insult his opponents and swing as big as he could with looping roundhouse shots... It's interesting that only Joe Louis and Lou Nova ever made him pay the ultimate price for this behavior..
Good list. What about Ali? Would you say he had a unique style?

Subsequently copied many times over but he will surely be creditted with pretty much inventing a unique style.

I do vaguely remember reading/hearing an interview where Ali listed boxing influences, but I think it's fair to say, I don't think he copied anyone.
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golden oldie wrote:Surprised no one has mentioned Roy Jones Jr. Hardly, ever bothered with the jab in his prime, just relied on his incredibly fast reflexes to both avoid shots and throw them.
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Spot on.

In fact, he didn't throw as many combinations as he should have either; he just threw very fast single shots a lot of time.

Very unique style indeed.
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I would say Ali was unique... Ali laid on the ropes more than about any boxer. He grabbed and held a record amount in the 1st round of the Foreman fight, 20 times in round 1... He wrestled and pushed Foreman's head down and got away with it. I don't think most fighters could get away with that... Also the way he shuffled his feet was different.. decent fighters like Norton ignored the feet and kept the pressure on. However Norton had his limitations.

I was always waiting for him to fight somebody like Larry Holmes in his prime but the division was very anemic. No Ortiz, Joshua, Haye, Parker, Povetkin, or Wilder to be found. Heavyweight Boxing will be spectacular today if those guys would just fight each other.
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I would say Ali was unique... Ali laid on the ropes more than about any boxer. He grabbed and held a record amount in the 1st round of the Foreman fight, 20 times in round 1... He wrestled and pushed Foreman's head down and got away with it. I don't think most fighters could get away with that... Also the way he shuffled his feet was different.. decent fighters like Norton ignored the feet and kept the pressure on. However Norton had his limitations.

I was always waiting for him to fight somebody like Larry Holmes in his prime but the division was very anemic. No Ortiz, Joshua, Haye, Parker, Povetkin, or Wilder to be found. Heavyweight Boxing will be spectacular today if those guys would just fight each other.
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That was weird, it's been double posting.
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Kalan wrote:That was weird, it's been double posting.
And unsurprsingly, both time you posted utter pish.

Ali's era of heavyweights, with such greats as Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton and Chamberlain (widely accepted as THE golden age of heavyweight boxing) was "very anemic"?

fornicate me Kalan, you could make yourself look a more obvious troll if you tried
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Corrie "the Sniper" Sanders (Natch)
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I don't care what anybody says, but, I haven't seen no one, absolutely no one, fight like the great Roberto Duran. Until this day, I have not seen that style of fighting.
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davie wrote:
Kalan wrote:That was weird, it's been double posting.
And unsurprsingly, both time you posted utter pish.

Ali's era of heavyweights, with such greats as Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton and Chamberlain (widely accepted as THE golden age of heavyweight boxing) was "very anemic"?

eff me Kalan, you could make yourself look a more obvious troll if you tried
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No thanks... and Ali and Norton never really met a great boxer until they took on Larry Holmes... Of course they lost... Foreman never met a real good boxer until he took on the punchless Jimmy Young... He lost of course... Frazier never met a real good boxer at all... Ali was fair but he got hit a lot.

Chamberlain??? He would have been really good, but he was denied the opportunity... Ali refused to fight him as this video shows... All Ali wanted to do was garner publicity doing a dog and pony show with Wilt -- but he refused to sign to fight him and this video proves it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s
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Kalan wrote:No thanks... and Ali and Norton never really met a great boxer until they took on Larry Holmes... Of course they lost... Foreman never met a real good boxer until he took on the punchless Jimmy Young... He lost of course... Frazier never met a real good boxer at all... Ali was fair but he got hit a lot.

Chamberlain??? He would have been really good, but he was denied the opportunity... Ali refused to fight him as this video shows... All Ali wanted to do was garner publicity doing a dog and pony show with Wilt -- but he refused to sign to fight him and this video proves it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s
Not sure if this area has been looked at in the ongoing Wilt vs Ali debate.... But what exactly had Wilt done in the sport to merit a shot at the biggest name, the biggest payday for the greatest prize in the world?

Had he earned his shot, was he more worthy than Quarry, Bonavena, Patterson or Ellis? Guys who had fought the contenders and earned their place in the rankings.

I mean, put your absurd theory that he would have beaten the greatest heavyweight of all time aside for just a second and tell me, what did a giant basketball player do to earn this shot, other than be really big and good at basketball.
I'm sure the same argument could be made for whoever was playing defensive tackle for the Miami Dolphins in 1970
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davie wrote:
Kalan wrote:No thanks... and Ali and Norton never really met a great boxer until they took on Larry Holmes... Of course they lost... Foreman never met a real good boxer until he took on the punchless Jimmy Young... He lost of course... Frazier never met a real good boxer at all... Ali was fair but he got hit a lot.

Chamberlain??? He would have been really good, but he was denied the opportunity... Ali refused to fight him as this video shows... All Ali wanted to do was garner publicity doing a dog and pony show with Wilt -- but he refused to sign to fight him and this video proves it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s
Not sure if this area has been looked at in the ongoing Wilt vs Ali debate.... But what exactly had Wilt done in the sport to merit a shot at the biggest name, the biggest payday for the greatest prize in the world?

Had he earned his shot, was he more worthy than Quarry, Bonavena, Patterson or Ellis? Guys who had fought the contenders and earned their place in the rankings.

I mean, put your absurd theory that he would have beaten the greatest heavyweight of all time aside for just a second and tell me, what did a giant basketball player do to earn this shot, other than be really big and good at basketball.
I'm sure the same argument could be made for whoever was playing defensive tackle for the Miami Dolphins in 1970

Who the fornicate mentioned Wilt again? That troll BoxBuzz or his best ass buddy Kalan? Haven't we given enough space to the Braggart of Basketball?!? It's fuckin lunacy.
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Tomasino wrote:
davie wrote:
Kalan wrote:No thanks... and Ali and Norton never really met a great boxer until they took on Larry Holmes... Of course they lost... Foreman never met a real good boxer until he took on the punchless Jimmy Young... He lost of course... Frazier never met a real good boxer at all... Ali was fair but he got hit a lot.

Chamberlain??? He would have been really good, but he was denied the opportunity... Ali refused to fight him as this video shows... All Ali wanted to do was garner publicity doing a dog and pony show with Wilt -- but he refused to sign to fight him and this video proves it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s
Not sure if this area has been looked at in the ongoing Wilt vs Ali debate.... But what exactly had Wilt done in the sport to merit a shot at the biggest name, the biggest payday for the greatest prize in the world?

Had he earned his shot, was he more worthy than Quarry, Bonavena, Patterson or Ellis? Guys who had fought the contenders and earned their place in the rankings.

I mean, put your absurd theory that he would have beaten the greatest heavyweight of all time aside for just a second and tell me, what did a giant basketball player do to earn this shot, other than be really big and good at basketball.
I'm sure the same argument could be made for whoever was playing defensive tackle for the Miami Dolphins in 1970

Who the eff mentioned Wilt again? That troll BoxBuzz or his best ass buddy Kalan? Haven't we given enough space to the Braggart of Basketball?!? It's fuckin lunacy.
Sorry mate, that was kind of my fault, I thought i'd slip a cheeky wee comment in about heavy's of the 70's and dropped Wilts name in

The finger of blame should pointed squarely in my direction
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davie wrote:
Tomasino wrote:
davie wrote:
Not sure if this area has been looked at in the ongoing Wilt vs Ali debate.... But what exactly had Wilt done in the sport to merit a shot at the biggest name, the biggest payday for the greatest prize in the world?

Had he earned his shot, was he more worthy than Quarry, Bonavena, Patterson or Ellis? Guys who had fought the contenders and earned their place in the rankings.

I mean, put your absurd theory that he would have beaten the greatest heavyweight of all time aside for just a second and tell me, what did a giant basketball player do to earn this shot, other than be really big and good at basketball.
I'm sure the same argument could be made for whoever was playing defensive tackle for the Miami Dolphins in 1970

Who the eff mentioned Wilt again? That troll BoxBuzz or his best ass buddy Kalan? Haven't we given enough space to the Braggart of Basketball?!? It's fuckin lunacy.
Sorry mate, that was kind of my fault, I thought i'd slip a cheeky wee comment in about heavy's of the 70's and dropped Wilts name in

The finger of blame should pointed squarely in my direction
The mans infected every corner of the forum :lol:
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littlepug wrote:Kirkland laing was pretty unique
One of my favourite fighters. I went to several of his fights & I don't think HE even knew what he was going to do from one minute to the next.

Absolutely brilliant fighter. Just undisciplined.
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One of my favourite fighters. I went to several of his fights & I don't think HE even knew what he was going to do from one minute to the next. Absolutely brilliant fighter. Just undisciplined.
I am sure the stories have become exaggerated over time but Mickey Duff's attempts to locate Kirk for a fight are infamous; I have visions of Duff sitting in his office in a camel hair coat ordering his minions out on search parties across London and 'up north' to Nottingham.

"Just find feckin' Laing and bring him to me!"

I missed 'prime' Laing unfortunately but remember the way he handled the still fancied George Collins as if he were taking a stroll to get the Sunday paper. Seriously, he made what was quite a hard night for Gary Jacobs look like opening a can of beans.

Collins spent four rounds swiping the air and wondering where the hell Laing was before getting hit by something so quick and on the button that the fight is over before he knows it. Laing has not broken sweat and just wanders back to his corner.

It's on the Tube-for-You and Laing's reflexes, utterly effortless movement and sudden flurries of punches are sweet.
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Carlos maussa now that was a unique style.
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Vitali Klitschko-he sort of had a style that reminded me of a cross between Jess Willard and Prince Naseem Hamed.
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Kalan wrote:No thanks... and Ali and Norton never really met a great boxer until they took on Larry Holmes... Of course they lost... Foreman never met a real good boxer until he took on the punchless Jimmy Young... He lost of course... Frazier never met a real good boxer at all... Ali was fair but he got hit a lot.

Chamberlain??? He would have been really good, but he was denied the opportunity... Ali refused to fight him as this video shows... All Ali wanted to do was garner publicity doing a dog and pony show with Wilt -- but he refused to sign to fight him and this video proves it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s
Kalan, this is a revelation!

Why haven't you mentioned this before? :oo :doh: :brick:
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