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Here's one of Joshua's anateur stoppage losses - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q8LqwBr9jcY

As the sensible posters are saying this doesn't prove Wilder has a glass chin. It shows he was outclassed by a much more technically skilled boxer. Any boxer that can land many flush power punches because they are more skilled should always get the stoppage.

Here is Felix Savon taking out David Tua. This isn't because Tua has a glass chin, it's because he is Felix Savon.


https://youtu.be/v21Ilh7AjcE

Tony1244 wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Ali and Tyson were stopped in the amateurs as I've mentioned. I believe so were Marciano and Joe Louis.

Who stopped Ali, Marciano and Joe Louis in the amateurs? I'm aware of Al Evans' KO victory over Mike Tyson.

Kent Green stopped a very young Cassius Clay in amateurs. Rocky was 8-4. Not sure if he was stopped or it was just a wife's tale. Read Louis was beaten up badly very early on in amateurs.

Have the Klitschkos been stopped in amateurs? If so, probably hard to get on tape.

have seen vitali getting sparked in a kickboxing fight on youtube

Shirow wrote:As the sensible posters are saying this doesn't prove Wilder has a glass chin. It shows he was outclassed by a much more technically skilled boxer. Any boxer that can land many flush power punches because they are more skilled should always get the stoppage.

Here is Felix Savon taking out David Tua. This isn't because Tua has a glass chin, it's because he is Felix Savon.


https://youtu.be/v21Ilh7AjcE

Thanks for that. Never knew that. Tua looks tiny here. How old was he??

Tony1244 wrote:

sweetviolenturge wrote:And Larry Holmes supposedly had a glass jaw & no heart whatsoever after two ammy KO losses to Nick Wells & being run out of the ring by Duane Bobick in a DQ loss to Duane Bobick in the '72 Olympic Trials.
Perspective people.

Yes, Ali and Mike Tyson were stopped in the amateurs as I've mentioned. I believe so were Marciano and Joe Louis.

Yes, before emails, hidden mics, and hidden cameras, everyone would think Trump and Hillary were both beyond reproach.

Point being, if you take a microscope to anything, you're going to find dirt.

Spot on Tony.

littlepug wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Who stopped Ali, Marciano and Joe Louis in the amateurs? I'm aware of Al Evans' KO victory over Mike Tyson.

Kent Green stopped a very young Cassius Clay in amateurs. Rocky was 8-4. Not sure if he was stopped or it was just a wife's tale. Read Louis was beaten up badly very early on in amateurs.

Have the Klitschkos been stopped in amateurs? If so, probably hard to get on tape.

have seen vitali getting sparked in a kickboxing fight on youtube

Yep, Pele Reid did the trick in a European title bout in '92 w/ a head kick.
I also believe that a Dutch fighter ( whose name escapes me at the moment ) stopped him as well about a year later.
As for Wlad, I'm not sure if he was ever stopped in the Simon Pure ranks.
I've heard that Luan Krasniqi did in the third round, but I'm not positive. I've also heard that it was just via decision in the third round of the Euro Championships ( semi-finals ).

sweetviolenturge wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

Kent Green stopped a very young Cassius Clay in amateurs. Rocky was 8-4. Not sure if he was stopped or it was just a wife's tale. Read Louis was beaten up badly very early on in amateurs.

Have the Klitschkos been stopped in amateurs? If so, probably hard to get on tape.

have seen vitali getting sparked in a kickboxing fight on youtube

Yep, Pele Reid did the trick in a European title bout in '92 w/ a head kick.

Yeah that sounds like the one, didn't know it was pele reid though

littlepug wrote:

sweetviolenturge wrote:

littlepug wrote: have seen vitali getting sparked in a kickboxing fight on youtube

Yep, Pele Reid did the trick in a European title bout in '92 w/ a head kick.

Yeah that sounds like the one, didn't know it was pele reid though

Yeah, Reid def had skills & probably could have gone farther than he did had he not been chinny.

crusader wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:I'm pretty sure Wilder had less than 10 amateur fights at this point and he was also a cruiser.

poo logic regardless.

I mean dezi Ford beat oflh in the amateurs so I guess Ford must be an all time great.

Closer to 25-30, but still quite inexperienced. He's obviously a better fighter now.

I believe Wilder only had 24 amateur fights total.

He won the U.S. Olympic trials in only his 21st fight.

Wilder then had three bouts in the 2008 Olympics.

That was the end of his amateur career.

For those who wonder why Wilder was moved slowly as a pro and deride him. maybe they should consider his limited number of amateur bouts.

The Europeans routinely have 200 to 400 amateur bouts. The foundation is in place when they turn pro.

Wilder was really still a boxing neophyte when he entered the pro ranks. He had a lot to learn.

He fought in several international tournaments and duals after making the US Olympic team. Fighters don't simply qualify for the Olympics by winning their national tournaments---they have to qualify by placing well in international events--and even after qualifying boxers usually compete internationally to help them prepare. I followed him from his early amateur days and corresponded with his trainer/manager Jay Deas, and I believe his amateur record is around 36-4 (losses were 7-1 to Clemente Russo, 12-1 to Osmay Acosta, RSC 3 to Evgeny Romanov, and 23-20 to Krystoff Zimnoch).

SenorPipino wrote: Wilder was really still a boxing neophyte when he entered the pro ranks. He had a lot to learn.

He still is a neophyte. He has just fought 108 rounds in pro. His average pro fight lasted just under 3 rounds, so basically all but the last 5 were amateurish.

boxing_rocks wrote:It wasn't one lucky punch. Wilder's opponent was consistently hurting him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqyWgv-qY9o

I wouldn't say he got destroyed.. He was floored and hurt, but got up and was on his feet when the referee ruled him out.. It's a little bit like Larry Holmes losing to Duane Bobick in the amateurs.. Before you really learn how to defend yourself, you can be knocked out by a much more experienced boxer.. Wilder got better and will probably make over 100 million in his career, and i'm not too sure how much that Russian is going to make..

I don't like Wilder anymore, or respect him, but he's a good heavyweight.. I don't know what's taking so long for Povetkin's lawsuits to work their way through our court system.. I hope Wilder and DiBella pay through the nose for their defaming and lying comments, and Pov gets his shot at Wilder.