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BigDoofus wrote:

lefty wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:
Spence could have boxed Brook in the summer but his team said he wasn't ready.

You're just regurgitating a line that Hearn spewed.

Hearn claimed Spence's team told him this twice. There was no counter-offer from Haymon.

The clue is in bold.

lefty wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:

lefty wrote: You're just regurgitating a line that Hearn spewed.

Hearn claimed Spence's team told him this twice. There was no counter-offer from Haymon.

The clue is in bold.

If so why didn't Spence's team rebuke this? Why didn't Haymon make Brook an offer?

BigDoofus wrote:

lefty wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:
Hearn claimed Spence's team told him this twice. There was no counter-offer from Haymon.

The clue is in bold.

If so why didn't Spence's team rebuke this? Why didn't Haymon make Brook an offer?

When does Haymon ever speak publically? Spence jnr himself rebuked it though. Also why is Haymons team going to make a counter offer when they're the mandatory challenger?

lefty wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:

lefty wrote: The clue is in bold.

If so why didn't Spence's team rebuke this? Why didn't Haymon make Brook an offer?

When does Haymon ever speak publically? Spence jnr himself rebuked it though. Also why is Haymons team going to make a counter offer when they're the mandatory challenger?

The mandatory challenger earns a tiny %age of the purse so Haymon could have made an offer to stop Spence fighting in UK for peanuts.
Thurman, Garcia, Spence and Khan are all Haymon fighters at the same weight that Brook holds a title. Why hasn't Haymon made Brook an offer for any of these fighters?

BigDoofus wrote:

lefty wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:
If so why didn't Spence's team rebuke this? Why didn't Haymon make Brook an offer?

When does Haymon ever speak publically? Spence jnr himself rebuked it though. Also why is Haymons team going to make a counter offer when they're the mandatory challenger?

The mandatory challenger earns a tiny %age of the purse so Haymon could have made an offer to stop Spence fighting in UK for peanuts.
Thurman, Garcia, Spence and Khan are all Haymon fighters at the same weight that Brook holds a title. Why hasn't Haymon made Brook an offer for any of these fighters?

25% is much bigger than most voluntary challengers.

mickey1975 wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:

lefty wrote: When does Haymon ever speak publically? Spence jnr himself rebuked it though. Also why is Haymons team going to make a counter offer when they're the mandatory challenger?

The mandatory challenger earns a tiny %age of the purse so Haymon could have made an offer to stop Spence fighting in UK for peanuts.
Thurman, Garcia, Spence and Khan are all Haymon fighters at the same weight that Brook holds a title. Why hasn't Haymon made Brook an offer for any of these fighters?

25% is much bigger than most voluntary challengers.

shouldn't really be haggling that much when your the challenger, get the belt then make your money

BigDoofus wrote:

lefty wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:
Spence could have boxed Brook in the summer but his team said he wasn't ready.

You're just regurgitating a line that Hearn spewed.

Hearn claimed Spence's team told him this twice. There was no counter-offer from Haymon.

Spence's team were waiting for the mandatory slot.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:

lefty wrote: You're just regurgitating a line that Hearn spewed.

Hearn claimed Spence's team told him this twice. There was no counter-offer from Haymon.

Spence's team were waiting for the mandatory slot.

By turning down the fight.

BigDoofus wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:
Hearn claimed Spence's team told him this twice. There was no counter-offer from Haymon.

Spence's team were waiting for the mandatory slot.

By turning down the fight.

Yes.

littlepug wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:
The mandatory challenger earns a tiny %age of the purse so Haymon could have made an offer to stop Spence fighting in UK for peanuts.
Thurman, Garcia, Spence and Khan are all Haymon fighters at the same weight that Brook holds a title. Why hasn't Haymon made Brook an offer for any of these fighters?

25% is much bigger than most voluntary challengers.

shouldn't really be haggling that much when your the challenger, get the belt then make your money

Trouble is, everyone thinks they're a star these days, and think's they're worth a fortune, some of them are right, some are delusional.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Spence's team were waiting for the mandatory slot.

By turning down the fight.

Yes.

Spence turning the fight down certainly backs up lefty's theory that Brook wants none of Spence.

BigDoofus wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:
By turning down the fight.

Yes.

Spence turning the fight down certainly backs up lefty's theory that Brook wants none of Spence.

Spence didn't turn it down though .... they're waiting on the mandatory being enforced. At the moment Brook is holding it up because he's no vacating the belt but he's also not saying he's definietly going to fight at 147 again.

Counter-puncher wrote:the cynic in me thinks if he does 147 and does badly it gives him an excuse for it

And it'll be another massive setback - after having his eye socket battered and broken by Golovkin - to withstand a painful, weight drained beating to Spence.

Hope he can do 147 well and put on a great show with Spence.

Brook looked great dealing with his mandos, physically he looked fine, lean and mean after making weight sacrifices. Better than the pudgy square guy of the Golovkin fight, anyway. Hoping he can still do 147 well after that weight folly, trying to be "the bigger man" against Golovkin.

lefty wrote:Sounds like brook doesn't want any part of Spence jnr.

Is that how it sounds?

How can Brook be accused of dodging other welterweights by going up two weight classes to take on the best middleweight in a decade?

Syntax Error wrote:How can Brook be accused of dodging other welterweights by going up two weight classes to take on the best middleweight in a decade?

Because dodging is dodging.

Horse wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:How can Brook be accused of dodging other welterweights by going up two weight classes to take on the best middleweight in a decade?

Because dodging is dodging.

Not when he's going up to fight someone bigger & better it isn't.

Syntax Error wrote:Not when he's going up to fight someone bigger & better it isn't.

A fight that he wasn't expected to win for a big paycheck. No excuse.

Horse wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Not when he's going up to fight someone bigger & better it isn't.

A fight that he wasn't expected to win for a big paycheck. No excuse.

He did actually have to fight him.

samwbr wrote:

Horse wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Not when he's going up to fight someone bigger & better it isn't.

A fight that he wasn't expected to win for a big paycheck. No excuse.

He did actually have to fight him.

He did have to fight Golovkin? Huh?

lefty wrote:

samwbr wrote:

Horse wrote:A fight that he wasn't expected to win for a big paycheck. No excuse.

He did actually have to fight him.

He did have to fight Golovkin? Huh?

For the cheque. Horse makes out like it's all figures on a screen and no one does anything.

samwbr wrote:

lefty wrote:

samwbr wrote: He did actually have to fight him.

He did have to fight Golovkin? Huh?

For the cheque. Horse makes out like it's all figures on a screen and no one does anything.

I just don't get how Brook can be accused of ducking Spence Jr when he took on Golovkin instead.

I could understand if he fought No No Dan again or similar, but he took on an opponent far more dangerous than Spence Jr.

Spence Jr probably beats Brook too, that's if he is as good as he has looked to date, but fighting Golovkin was a far more dangerous proposition.

Syntax Error wrote:I just don't get how Brook can be accused of ducking Spence Jr when he took on Golovkin instead.

I could understand if he fought No No Dan again or similar, but he took on an opponent far more dangerous than Spence Jr.

Spence Jr probably beats Brook too, that's if he is as good as he has looked to date, but fighting Golovkin was a far more dangerous proposition.

Golovkin was a better risk vs reward fight. A cynical fight that got in the way of better fights being made for both of them.

Brook might still fight Spence, so I think it's a bit too early to say he has ducked him.

Brook does have a reputation for avoiding good fights though, so he will probably fight a bunch of nobodies instead.

Horse wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:I just don't get how Brook can be accused of ducking Spence Jr when he took on Golovkin instead.

I could understand if he fought No No Dan again or similar, but he took on an opponent far more dangerous than Spence Jr.

Spence Jr probably beats Brook too, that's if he is as good as he has looked to date, but fighting Golovkin was a far more dangerous proposition.

Golovkin was a better risk vs reward fight. A cynical fight that got in the way of better fights being made for both of them.

Brook might still fight Spence, so I think it's a bit too early to say he has ducked him.

Brook does have a reputation for avoiding good fights though, so he will probably fight a bunch of nobodies instead.

Who has he avoided, for definite?

samwbr wrote:Who has he avoided, for definite?

It doesn't matter. He's content with average opposition.

He's been a pro for over 12 years and has only fought one world class opponent that he had a chance against.

He ducks good opponents in general rather than anyone specific.