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Riddick Blowe wrote:

littlepug wrote:Joshuas profile is too far ahead of his ability

Who says?

Joshua having a prominent profile is good for boxing. Whether he ‘deserves’ it or is ‘ready’ for it is irrelevant (and highly subjective). Why is this so hard for people to understand?

because its mis-selling a product, the guy is still a novice and is totally unproven at world level, the guy has done absolutely nothing to warrant a ppv, but all that is irrelevant isn't it ?

littlepug wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

littlepug wrote:Joshuas profile is too far ahead of his ability

Who says?

Joshua having a prominent profile is good for boxing. Whether he ‘deserves’ it or is ‘ready’ for it is irrelevant (and highly subjective). Why is this so hard for people to understand?

because its mis-selling a product, the guy is still a novice and is totally unproven at world level, the guy has done absolutely nothing to warrant a ppv, but all that is irrelevant isn't it ?

So the fact that he’s a ‘novice’ (he isn’t) and ‘totally unproven at world level’ (lol heavyweight world level) precludes him from the ‘right to be marketable’ (as if that’s actually a thing).

Mis-selling? Are we talking about the IBF strap? Newsflash: There is nothing noble about any of these paper titles. The upholding of some unspoken measure of authenticity on the part of these chucklehead organisations is also, not a thing.


Cliff notes: Demand high, money paid

Riddick Blowe wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Who says?

Joshua having a prominent profile is good for boxing. Whether he ‘deserves’ it or is ‘ready’ for it is irrelevant (and highly subjective). Why is this so hard for people to understand?

because its mis-selling a product, the guy is still a novice and is totally unproven at world level, the guy has done absolutely nothing to warrant a ppv, but all that is irrelevant isn't it ?

So the fact that he’s a ‘novice’ (he isn’t) and ‘totally unproven at world level’ (lol heavyweight world level) precludes him from the ‘right to be marketable’ (as if that’s actually a thing).

Mis-selling? Are we talking about the IBF strap? Newsflash: There is nothing noble about any of these paper titles. The upholding of some unspoken measure of authenticity on the part of these chucklehead organisations is also, not a thing.


Cliff notes: Demand high, money paid

all I ask for is a bit of pride and professionalism, don't fecking tell me your selling me something special or unique when your not, its like boxing fans don't matter anymore, not when you've got all these footie-esque idiots that will pay for sh1t dressed up as sugar, there was no chance eddie was gonna scrap a ppv slot rather than just put it on anyway and find some dickhead to stand in the other corner

The problem stemmed from stripping the IBF from Tyson Fury, letting 2 no-marks like Glaskov and Martin fight for the vacated title and giving AJ the chance to get his hands on an honour he was neither ready for or deserving of.

Now we are in the position of watching a fighter, who couldn't pass up that golden opportunity, having to take learning fights, while being in a position where he should have done the learning already.

Pile on top of that, you have an unscrupulous money man (not really a dig at Hearns, it's the business he's in, he's just playing the game) who has a product that will sell. He can choose to hold it back and potentially miss out or he can sell that product to the mugs who are willing to pay the cash

If you're a market trader, with a fruit stall and someone hands you a big bag full of apples, that may very well go off soon......You fornicating sell them!

davie wrote:The problem stemmed from stripping the IBF from Tyson Fury, letting 2 no-marks like Glaskov and Martin fight for the vacated title and giving AJ the chance to get his hands on an honour he was neither ready for or deserving of.

Why was he 'not ready' for a paper title?

I'm sure I'll get to the bottom of this eventually

Riddick Blowe wrote:

davie wrote:The problem stemmed from stripping the IBF from Tyson Fury, letting 2 no-marks like Glaskov and Martin fight for the vacated title and giving AJ the chance to get his hands on an honour he was neither ready for or deserving of.

Why was he 'not ready' for a paper title?

I'm sure I'll get to the bottom of this eventually

because once you have it boxing history/logic/ tradition or whatever you want to call it says that you are one of the best and as so will test yourself against the best of the rest of the division.

littlepug wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

davie wrote:The problem stemmed from stripping the IBF from Tyson Fury, letting 2 no-marks like Glaskov and Martin fight for the vacated title and giving AJ the chance to get his hands on an honour he was neither ready for or deserving of.

Why was he 'not ready' for a paper title?

I'm sure I'll get to the bottom of this eventually

because once you have it boxing history/logic/ tradition or whatever you want to call it says that you are one of the best and as so will test yourself against the best of the rest of the division.

History and tradition are the key words there. The days of the best regularly testing themselves against the best are long gone.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Why was he 'not ready' for a paper title?

I'm sure I'll get to the bottom of this eventually

because once you have it boxing history/logic/ tradition or whatever you want to call it says that you are one of the best and as so will test yourself against the best of the rest of the division.

History and tradition are the key words there. The days of the best regularly testing themselves against the best are long gone.

Too true - nowadays, once a fighter becomes a PPV draw, they farm out all the easier opportunities, and will very seldom take on the best challenges out there, unless they've exhausted all their other paydays, or they are nearing retirement and looking for one last huge payday.

there are exceptions, but they are relatively few and far between.

stuns me how boxing fans can still use these terms 'deserving' or 'earn a shot' in this day and age. After everything that's happened with the fragmenting of titles!

We're not talking about the world title. This IBF strap is a marketing tool, nothing more. Joshua will have one or two more fights that people will complain bitterly about. Then there will come along some chucklehead who, for some reason, is deemed a decent opponent. Malik Scott, let's say. Then there will be some sort of big fight. Then people will calm down. Then, a few years later, when Joshua retires, approximately nobody will complain about 'THOSE THREE YEARS AT THE START WHEN HE FOUGHT SUB-STANDARD OPPOSITION!'

Riddick Blowe wrote:stuns me how boxing fans can still use these terms 'deserving' or 'earn a shot' in this day and age. After everything that's happened with the fragmenting of titles!

We're not talking about the world title. This IBF strap is a marketing tool, nothing more. Joshua will have one or two more fights that people will complain bitterly about. Then there will come along some chucklehead who, for some reason, is deemed a decent opponent. Malik Scott, let's say. Then there will be some sort of big fight. Then people will calm down. Then, a few years later, when Joshua retires, approximately nobody will complain about 'THOSE THREE YEARS AT THE START WHEN HE FOUGHT SUB-STANDARD OPPOSITION!'

Perhaps your right and those of us that have seen more prosperous times just feel a bit jaded by the decline/change in the sport

Riddick Blowe wrote:

davie wrote:The problem stemmed from stripping the IBF from Tyson Fury, letting 2 no-marks like Glaskov and Martin fight for the vacated title and giving AJ the chance to get his hands on an honour he was neither ready for or deserving of.

Why was he 'not ready' for a paper title?

I'm sure I'll get to the bottom of this eventually

Because it is supposed to be one of the big 4 governing body, it is supposed to be a recognized proper world title.
It was held by the undisputed world champion. He was relieved of it by the man who beat the man.

Then IBF in their infinite wisdom threw it to the wind for any bum or under-prepared prospect to pick up.

Yes, these titles have little value these days. But that's not how Hearn and the like promote their "world champion.
Yes, I know the bullshit that goes with ABC titles but that doesn't mean I can't have a right good fornicating moan about it

Joshua was ready for Glaskov or Martin but that isn't who he should have faced for a title. He should have been 5 fights away from challenging, he should have fought Martin, Brezeale and Molina on route to the shot. He should have faced a Klitschko/Fury/Wilder type opponent when he got there.
Or even if it was vacant, a Parker/Ortiz/Povetkin level of opponent

Keko wrote:

sweetscience wrote:Joshua v Price next.... its gonna happen

Joshua vs Molina

I mean after Molina

sweetscience wrote:

Keko wrote:

sweetscience wrote:Joshua v Price next.... its gonna happen

Joshua vs Molina

I mean after Molina

What? Directly after?

Price would probably still lose.

sweetscience wrote:

Keko wrote:

sweetscience wrote:Joshua v Price next.... its gonna happen

Joshua vs Molina

I mean after Molina

both

He could fight them both in a night

2 rounds

Horse wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:This paragraph is suspiciously like something Horse would write. Does he have you locked in his basement?

He's just a fan.