BoxRec

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Rigondeaux is the most consistently overrated guy on these lists. Outside of beating Nonito Donaire a few years back he's done nothing to justify the pedestal some fans put him on.

yeah and you get 2 gold medals and become a amateur legend just pars coincidence

There are many outstanding amateurs who become mediocre professionals. 2 gold medals tell a lot, but don't guarantee pro success.

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Rigondeaux is the most consistently overrated guy on these lists. Outside of beating Nonito Donaire a few years back he's done nothing to justify the pedestal some fans put him on.

yeah and you get 2 gold medals and become a amateur legend just pars coincidence

He was a phenomenal amateur without question, but that has nothing to do with the P4P standing as a Professional boxer.

gilgamesh wrote:

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Rigondeaux is the most consistently overrated guy on these lists. Outside of beating Nonito Donaire a few years back he's done nothing to justify the pedestal some fans put him on.

yeah and you get 2 gold medals and become a amateur legend just pars coincidence

He was a phenomenal amateur without question, but that has nothing to do with the P4P standing as a Professional boxer.

who says that, you?

so you think ones you enter pro your skills that brought you legend status at amateurs is gone, like amateur boxing and pro boxing is so far apart? ask the back than p4p top 3 boxer prime donaire what he thinks after losing like every single rd to rigo and everybody from lsc to frampton are avoiding him at all costs.

I don't think your skills are gone. Obviously they're not. That's why Rigo has done as much as he has with a relatively low amount of Pro fights, but I don't think your amateur credentials count toward your Professional accomplishments. It definitely gives you a technical advantage over most any opponent you'll be facing though.

He's avoided by networks more than fighters. I also have never seen him mention going up in weight.

gilgamesh wrote:I don't think your skills are gone. Obviously they're not. That's why Rigo has done as much as he has with a relatively low amount of Pro fights, but I don't think your amateur credentials count toward your Professional accomplishments. It definitely gives you a technical advantage over most any opponent you'll be facing though.

exactly.

and since you rate acompishmant more than ability, is the reason we always disagree, cause for me ability is more important than acomplishmant.

for example poor roy. in his prime he had not many opponents ready to face. had he be a 147 boxer in the 90's with prime hoya, prime tito, prime vargas, prime mosley around he would have beaten everybody and raised his status as atg top 10, but since not many good opponents were around his weight class, what we gonne do than, is it his fault, that light heavyweight had a weak level and no kovalev, stevensons, bertebievs, dawsons etc....

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I don't think your skills are gone. Obviously they're not. That's why Rigo has done as much as he has with a relatively low amount of Pro fights, but I don't think your amateur credentials count toward your Professional accomplishments. It definitely gives you a technical advantage over most any opponent you'll be facing though.

exactly.

and since you rate acompishmant more than ability, is the reason we always disagree, cause for me ability is more important than acomplishmant.

for example poor roy. in his prime he had not many opponents ready to face. had he be a 147 boxer in the 90's with prime hoya, prime tito, prime vargas, prime mosley around he would have beaten everybody and raised his status as atg top 10, but since not many good opponents were around his weight class, what we gonne do than, is it his fault, that light heavyweight had a weak level and no kovalev, stevensons, bertebievs, dawsons etc....

Fair enough, but you're right that's why we disagree. All the ability in the world doesn't give you wins you haven't earned yet.

gilgamesh wrote:

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I don't think your skills are gone. Obviously they're not. That's why Rigo has done as much as he has with a relatively low amount of Pro fights, but I don't think your amateur credentials count toward your Professional accomplishments. It definitely gives you a technical advantage over most any opponent you'll be facing though.

exactly.

and since you rate acompishmant more than ability, is the reason we always disagree, cause for me ability is more important than acomplishmant.

for example poor roy. in his prime he had not many opponents ready to face. had he be a 147 boxer in the 90's with prime hoya, prime tito, prime vargas, prime mosley around he would have beaten everybody and raised his status as atg top 10, but since not many good opponents were around his weight class, what we gonne do than, is it his fault, that light heavyweight had a weak level and no kovalev, stevensons, bertebievs, dawsons etc....

Fair enough, but you're right that's why we disagree. All the ability in the world doesn't give you wins you haven't earned yet.

sure, yet still you can have 9 or something fight like usyk and be conidered the #1 in your division simply because your ability allows you to be....and a win over the previous #1 who had much more fights

It was the win over the previous #1 that elevated Usyk though his potential was obvious going in. There have been other amateurs who looked for all the world like they'd be future World Champions for whatever reason couldn't cut the mustard in the Pro game.

Some guys can't adjust to the longer distances and the extra stamina needed. Some guys can't adjust to the lack of headgear. Most highly decorated amateurs do make these adjustments, but it's not a given that they will.

Maynard, barthelmy. Paul Gonzales, etc...

For me Crawford is the p4p champ.
But there are a half dozen fighters who could be considered #2

1.Sergey Kovalev
2.Andre Ward
3.Roman Gonzalez
4.Canelo Alvarez
5.Manny Pacquiao
6.Gennady Golovkin
7.Carl Frampton
8.Guillermo Rigondeaux
9.Danny Garcia
10.Keith Thurman

^