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Enlightened-One wrote:but unproven, heavyweight prospect.

He's beaten Tony Thompson and Bryant Jennings and is rated in the top ten by everyone. He's not unproven in the slightest.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:but unproven, heavyweight prospect.

He's beaten Tony Thompson and Bryant Jennings and is rated in the top ten by everyone. He's not unproven in the slightest.

Yeah. If he is unproven then so ar the likes of Joshua, Wilder, etc. I don't take too much notice of the Thompson win as I think age has finally caught up with Tony but the Jennings win is a better win than any on Joshua's or Wilders record up to now imo.

I'm a little bit nervous about the Scott fight though as I think there's the potential for Scott to make Ortiz look a little bad because Malik is very mobile and moves a lot.

I imagine he'll be adopting the same strategy he employed against Thompson (Scott that is)

Ortiz isn't really a pressure fighter either. He tends to come forward more than he does fight off the back foot but he likes to counter punch. He has a beautiful counter left hand when guys over commit on their own right hand.

Hopefully he deals with Scott in good fashion.

lefty wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:but unproven, heavyweight prospect.

He's beaten Tony Thompson and Bryant Jennings and is rated in the top ten by everyone. He's not unproven in the slightest.

Yeah. If he is unproven then so ar the likes of Joshua, Wilder, etc. I don't take too much notice of the Thompson win as I think age has finally caught up with Tony but the Jennings win is a better win than any on Joshua's or Wilders record up to now imo.

I'm a little bit nervous about the Scott fight though as I think there's the potential for Scott to make Ortiz look a little bad because Malik is very mobile and moves a lot.

I imagine he'll be adopting the same strategy he employed against Thompson (Scott that is)

Ortiz isn't really a pressure fighter either. He tends to come forward more than he does fight off the back foot but he likes to counter punch. He has a beautiful counter left hand when guys over commit on their own right hand.

Hopefully he deals with Scott in good fashion.

I don't think Scott's movement is good enough actually. I see Jennings as a much better mover and we saw Ortiz cutting the ring off against him.

Scott's best wins are over slow as molasses fighters who lack Ortiz's accuracy, and one of them still dropped him hard. Keep in mind that Chisora also caught up to him in a few rounds and finished him shortly after, so it's not like he's some amazingly elusive boxer.

Killer Blow wrote:

lefty wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
He's beaten Tony Thompson and Bryant Jennings and is rated in the top ten by everyone. He's not unproven in the slightest.

Yeah. If he is unproven then so ar the likes of Joshua, Wilder, etc. I don't take too much notice of the Thompson win as I think age has finally caught up with Tony but the Jennings win is a better win than any on Joshua's or Wilders record up to now imo.

I'm a little bit nervous about the Scott fight though as I think there's the potential for Scott to make Ortiz look a little bad because Malik is very mobile and moves a lot.

I imagine he'll be adopting the same strategy he employed against Thompson (Scott that is)

Ortiz isn't really a pressure fighter either. He tends to come forward more than he does fight off the back foot but he likes to counter punch. He has a beautiful counter left hand when guys over commit on their own right hand.

Hopefully he deals with Scott in good fashion.

I don't think Scott's movement is good enough actually. I see Jennings as a much better mover and we saw Ortiz cutting the ring off against him.

Yeah but Jennings took the fight more to Ortiz in that matchup. Jennings has the ability to box at range or fight on the inside. He did a lot more of the latter. It worked aswell at times as he won a few rounds just by outworking Ortiz as much as anything.

crusader wrote:Scott's best wins are over slow as molasses fighters who lack Ortiz's accuracy, and one of them still dropped him hard. Keep in mind that Chisora also caught up to him in a few rounds and finished him shortly after, so it's not like he's some amazingly elusive boxer.

Fair point. Chisora is more of an actual pressure fighter than Ortiz though. The latter likes to counter punch more and just "box" more generally than Chisora does. Hopefully you're right though and Ortiz deals with Scott in good fashion. Malik's punch resistance is fornicating horrendous that's for sure. Also regarding his best wins being over slow fighters; Thompson did look incredible slow in that fight lol. He's never been the most athletic but he was noticeably slower than he was even in the past.

Even in his wins against Price it was like he was throwing punches underwater.

crusader wrote:Even in his wins against Price it was like he was throwing punches underwater.

Haha. It's incredible he's achieved even what he has to be fair lol.

It really is.

Started boxing in his late 20s, pretty much no amateur career, not a particularly big puncher, slow and plodding,etc. yet ended up being a legit top ten fighter for a while.

crusader wrote:It really is. No amateur career, not a particularly big puncher, slow and plodding, yet ended up being a legit top ten fighter for a while.

He was 27 already when he first ever entered a boxing gym right?! That's bloody nuts in the context of his achievements and the lack of natural athleticism, etc.

The Ortiz-Scott fight is utterly rancid to watch. Malik is in survival mode and 'King Kong' doesn't seem to know how to break his opponent down.

Ortiz is trying to load up throwing one shot at a time, to punch through Scott's high guard, but he should be throwing combos to the body instead.

Ortiz is winning the bout by a country mile, but he's showed signs of frustration, in a truly terrible contest.

The Sky Sports commentary team are blaming the tedious nature of the bout on Scott, whilst forgiving Ortiz for failing to adapt, for sticking to his loading up one shot to the head gameplan. Ortiz needs to learn how to throw combos and to have a plan-B, because he has been less than impressive in this fight.

Ortiz is also competing at a very sedate pace. He seems comfortable, but is sweating and breathing heavily against Scott.

I've had severe bouts of diarrhoea that were far more "terrifying" than Luis Ortiz's performance tonight!

Whilst the tedius nature of the bout wasn't entirely Ortiz's fault, the Cuban failed to live up to his "fearsome" reputation against Scott.

Ortiz was a one-dimensional sluggish one-shot headhunter tonight.

Nice Alex Brand impersonation by Scott. Really channeled his inner Kevin Johnson.

You could've gotten 10-1 odds on Ortiz by DEC.

diddy wrote:Nice Alex Brand impersonation by Scott. Really channeled his inner Kevin Johnson.

You could've gotten 10-1 odds on Ortiz by DEC.

I took small action at 20-1 on Ortiz dec after 3 rounds.

Scott should have his lurse witheld.

Wow. Very nice.

Wow, was that ever a desultory affair. UGH!
One of those bouts that seemed like it would never end.

I suppose it would be unfair to judge Ortiz too harshly from this one as Scott really wasn't interested in engaging with him, but still his s-l-o-w punches & lack of a body attack are going to catch up to him sooner rather than later IMO.

Enlightened-One wrote:"'The Real King Kong' Luis Ortiz ready to finally announce himself"

"They call him 'The Real King Kong' and even the original on-screen gorilla might think twice before arguing with that. Ortiz, the unbeaten heavyweight, might be the most dangerous man in the sport...

"Ortiz has been too good for his own good. For years, the risk of fighting him wasn't worth it to your piggy bank...

"His amateur record is said to be 343-19 but again, it is impossible to verify exactly how many crumpled bodies the enigma has left in his wake...

"He fled to Miami, specifically the 5th Street Gym that Muhammad Ali called home, to join the paid ranks but has remained no more than a haunting figure in the nightmares of world heavyweight champions...

"Ortiz, who at 37 is battle-hardened yet unscathed... and it will take serious force to drag King Kong down from the tower."

Now that Luis Ortiz has signed with Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom Promotions, he’s automatically affiliated to Sky Sports.

Therefore, it’s easy to predict that Sky Sports will now start marketing his name heavily, but do you think they’re going overboard?

FYI, I didn't read anything you wrote, and doubt many others did either. You write too much and spend too much time trying to sound intelligent. which most of us know you are not.

Ortiz's lack of speed and pace was his biggest problem. Chisora is a more limited fighter overall, but he managed to break Scott in 6 because he kept coming forward and was letting his hands go freely in combo. The way Ortiz slowly stalked and threw with ones and twos in spots gave Scott more breathing room and allowed him to survive when he was hurt. Ortiz also loaded up with swings too much, which gave Scott more time to react than he'd have against fighters like Parker, AJ, Fury, Wilder, and faded Wlad.

Now it's tough to impress against a highly negative opponent who moves well, and a 120-106 route of Scott would be among the best wins of pretty much every active HW, but I imagine that Ortiz would've won by stoppage if he were as good as some suggested. To me he's still among the top HWs, but head-to-head probabilities have shifted a bit.

crusader wrote:Ortiz's lack of speed and pace was his biggest problem. Chisora is a more limited fighter overall, but he managed to break Scott in 6 because he kept coming forward and was letting his hands go freely in combo. The way Ortiz slowly stalked and threw with ones and twos in spots gave Scott more breathing room and allowed him to survive when he was hurt. Ortiz also loaded up with swings too much, which gave Scott more time to react than he'd have against fighters like Parker, AJ, Fury, Wilder, and faded Wlad.

Now it's tough to impress against a highly negative opponent who moves well, and a 120-106 route of Scott would be among the best wins of pretty much every active HW, but I imagine that Ortiz would've won by stoppage if he were as good as some suggested. To me he's still among the top HWs, but head-to-head probabilities have shifted a bit.

I agree with this completely. Hearns made a big mistake with this match up. When cherry picking goes wrong.

Badhusker wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:"'The Real King Kong' Luis Ortiz ready to finally announce himself"

"They call him 'The Real King Kong' and even the original on-screen gorilla might think twice before arguing with that. Ortiz, the unbeaten heavyweight, might be the most dangerous man in the sport...

"Ortiz has been too good for his own good. For years, the risk of fighting him wasn't worth it to your piggy bank...

"His amateur record is said to be 343-19 but again, it is impossible to verify exactly how many crumpled bodies the enigma has left in his wake...

"He fled to Miami, specifically the 5th Street Gym that Muhammad Ali called home, to join the paid ranks but has remained no more than a haunting figure in the nightmares of world heavyweight champions...

"Ortiz, who at 37 is battle-hardened yet unscathed... and it will take serious force to drag King Kong down from the tower."

Now that Luis Ortiz has signed with Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom Promotions, he’s automatically affiliated to Sky Sports.

Therefore, it’s easy to predict that Sky Sports will now start marketing his name heavily, but do you think they’re going overboard?

FYI, I didn't read anything you wrote, and doubt many others did either. You write too much and spend too much time trying to sound intelligent. which most of us know you are not.

I merely quoted the words of an absurd article published by Sky Sports... and the vast majority of my lengthy posts are usually quoting words articulated by other sources also.

In the future, ignore my posts instead of quoting my words and constantly delivering the same insults.

crusader wrote:Ortiz's lack of speed and pace was his biggest problem. Chisora is a more limited fighter overall, but he managed to break Scott in 6 because he kept coming forward and was letting his hands go freely in combo. The way Ortiz slowly stalked and threw with ones and twos in spots gave Scott more breathing room and allowed him to survive when he was hurt. Ortiz also loaded up with swings too much, which gave Scott more time to react than he'd have against fighters like Parker, AJ, Fury, Wilder, and faded Wlad.

Now it's tough to impress against a highly negative opponent who moves well, and a 120-106 route of Scott would be among the best wins of pretty much every active HW, but I imagine that Ortiz would've won by stoppage if he were as good as some suggested. To me he's still among the top HWs, but head-to-head probabilities have shifted a bit.

An excellent evaluation.

crusader wrote:Ortiz's lack of speed and pace was his biggest problem. Chisora is a more limited fighter overall, but he managed to break Scott in 6 because he kept coming forward and was letting his hands go freely in combo. The way Ortiz slowly stalked and threw with ones and twos in spots gave Scott more breathing room and allowed him to survive when he was hurt. Ortiz also loaded up with swings too much, which gave Scott more time to react than he'd have against fighters like Parker, AJ, Fury, Wilder, and faded Wlad.

Now it's tough to impress against a highly negative opponent who moves well, and a 120-106 route of Scott would be among the best wins of pretty much every active HW, but I imagine that Ortiz would've won by stoppage if he were as good as some suggested. To me he's still among the top HWs, but head-to-head probabilities have shifted a bit.

I have to say, Scott could have easily continued in the Chisora fight. He was no more hurt in that fight than he was last night when he was diving on the floor. For whatever reason he decided to mistime the count against Del Boy.

UD is ok...Scott was only on the run in this Fight.
First 2 rounds it looks like "please ortiz....don't hurt me...but i need the money"...rope a dope & a lot of canvas dives

But longer fight goes, few counter swingers touches ortiz face and scott start to smile.

Of course, every Boxer had a bad day...and this fight wasn't Ortiz best fight.

When a boxer hyped highly to heaven,bigger the fall when a bad day comes.

Every Fight against different oppenent is a new fight, but this make boxing interesting.

From what I saw (I stopped watching in round 8), Ortiz is overhyped heavily both by Sky (but that's their business) and by this forum (Go knows why).

He was unable to cut the ring, he was unable to land power punches and showed no ring intelligence. All he showed was his lack of speed. And he ain't gonna be faster getting older.

And Scott even didn't try to win! Forget winning, he didn't try even to punch Just came to pick up the check and visit France...