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elmersalsa wrote:

Keko wrote:Defence is an art!
A lot of this is a matter of taste and Duran has certainly been excellent but it's been better if you ask me. I respect him very much but I do not agree that the best last 50 years.
Duran was one of the most exciting fighters, certainly.

Everybody got their own opinion. To me, he was the best fighter, pound per pound, of the last 50 years.

Who do you think in your view was the best boxer of the last 50 years? I will respect your opinion.

Keko wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

Keko wrote:Defence is an art!
A lot of this is a matter of taste and Duran has certainly been excellent but it's been better if you ask me. I respect him very much but I do not agree that the best last 50 years.
Duran was one of the most exciting fighters, certainly.

Everybody got their own opinion. To me, he was the best fighter, pound per pound, of the last 50 years.

Who do you think in your view was the best boxer of the last 50 years? I will respect your opinion.

I think that Duran at the top of the top 5 for sure.
You probably would say Ali if I see that Duran and immediately close two more three names I have with him. I do not really think too much about it differently.Sorry.

I would really like to see your list p4p of all time.
Sugar Ray Robinson for me No1.
It would be good to have such a topic.

elmersalsa wrote:

Keko wrote:

elmersalsa wrote: Everybody got their own opinion. To me, he was the best fighter, pound per pound, of the last 50 years.

Who do you think in your view was the best boxer of the last 50 years? I will respect your opinion.

I think that Duran at the top of the top 5 for sure.
You probably would say Ali if I see that Duran and immediately close two more three names I have with him. I do not really think too much about it differently.Sorry.

I would really like to see your list p4p of all time.
Sugar Ray Robinson for me No1.
It would be good to have such a topic.

If you say that the great Muhammad Ali was the best of the last 50 years, well, it's a great choice. I respect that. But, to me, the very best fighter since 1965, in my view, should be the great Roberto Duran. That is my opinion.

golden oldie wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:The great Roberto Duran's problem versus all of them would've been the weight and lacking speed. He was great against Marvelous and he trained very hard, but age, THE WEIGHT, and physical disadvantages were his biggest problems against one the true monsters of the middleweight division. People forgot that the Hands of Stone's GREATEST UNDERRATED ASSETS WERE SPEED and DEFENSE.

He doesn't lose to the James Toneys, GGGs, Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins of the world because they were better skilled. No, Duran was way more skilled than those 5 guys combined. Those guys would be just faster, younger, stronger, taller and bigger against him, that's all.

The great Carlos Monzon would have destroyed Duran at middleweight. It would have not been a fair fight for The Hands of Stone. It would be over in round 11 or by a wide unanimous decision. King Carlos would be too big for him. A real nightmare.

Excellent post.

I am an unashamed Duran fan, but the disrespect being shown to Golovkin on this site is moronic. If Tommy Hearns can switch Roberto off the way he did, then don't anyone kid themselves GGG couldn't comatose Roberto with ease. Hagler possessed NOTHING like the power of Golovkin. It was Marvin's relentless workrate and accumilation of punches that eventually got to most of his opponents.

golden oldie wrote:

davie wrote:

golden oldie wrote:
Excellent post.

I am an unashamed Duran fan, but the disrespect being shown to Golovkin on this site is moronic. If Tommy Hearns can switch Roberto off the way he did, then don't anyone kid themselves GGG couldn't comatose Roberto with ease.

He could potentially knock him out. But I think it's a stretch to say he does so with ease. In fact as we're talking disrespectful, I'm surprised anyone who claims to be a Duran fan would argue anyone ices him easily.
GGG is a fantastic fighter and I said in my point, he could do it if he catches him sweet, but that is no easy task and he'd take some awful punishment trying to find that spot.
Let's not forget Hearns was a magnificent fight too, not just a heavy handed fighter.

I am a fan, I have never been nor never will be a " fanboy "

Roberto at 147 was nothing like as fast or elusive as he was at 135. At above 147 he was markedly slower than even that. He relied on his inside fighting skills which were tremendous. However Hagler or Hearns had nothing like the power of Golovkin. The guy can stop 160 fighters dead in their tracks with body shots, causing their hands to drop for his head shots to land.

Hearns in particular was a devastating puncher due to the speed of his punches, Golovkins are just sheer power and timing. With his height and reach advantages, you would have to favour him to land on Roberto fairly easily.

Kalan wrote:Duran would get knocked out cold or stopped by each of these much bigger, stronger men... In the 1st round by Golovkin.. In the 1st round by Toney.. by the 8th round by Hopkins.. and by the 5th round by Roy Jones.. The reason is they're all WAY too big and tall for Duran, just like the chinny and available Tommy Hearns was.. Even Toney would have 3 inches on Duran (he was bigger and taller than Hagler) and would just smash the lil' tyke to death instantaneously.. You can add Carlos Monzon to that list because he would have crushed Duran as well.

You saw that Duran didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell versus Hearns, right??? And Barkley beat Hearns twice but lost a squeaker to Duran... Why is that??? Because Barkley couldn't box very well and was a very poor attacker...however Hearns made himself available by trading punches with Barkley and Hagler.. They were both tall and strong enough to reach Hearns' glassy chin, where Duran wasn't.. Hearns could be tagged with KO punches by big guys who could punch hard, but he was a fair enough technical boxer that a shorty like Duran couldn't reach his vulnerable chin in a million years...and Duran wasn't big or strong enough to pose a threat to Hearns by trading punches ... It's classic style dynamics...

Hagler fought Duran's fight and boxed him all the way.. That wasn't the best game plan for a little guy.. Hag may have stopped RD if he went after him a lot harder.. You're supposed to beat up smaller, weaker opponents---and get rid of them pronto.. Hag made the same mistake with Leonard.

Golovkin, Toney, Hopkins, and Jones were all bigger, taller, and stronger than Duran---having bigger advantages than Hagler, who was a small Middleweight... And they could all box 10 X better than Iran Barkley.. They all had very good jabs which would control the much shorter Duran... They all had nifty rights, that could rain down on Duran from on high like nobody's business... Ray Leonard beat Marvin Hagler, but immediately gave up the Lineal Middleweight Title Belt, just like Canelo did -- except Leonard NEVER defended his 160 strap... Leonard had NO interest in facing the top Middleweight Contenders: Michael Nunn.. Mike McCallum.. and Julian Jackson, who were very tough to beat... Leonard eventually went back down to 154 to fight the supposedly chinny Terry Norris---who Julian Jackson had iced in an earlier fight---so careful cherry-picking doesn't always work that well... As Leonard-Norris was happening, Nunn, McCallum, and Jackson owned the splintered Middleweight belts.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

golden oldie wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
This was Elmer's quote.



Four boxers are mentioned at that point. Not Monzon, that was later in the post.

And now to you...

Jones Jr.



Great boxing skill is hitting without being hit. Jones was absolutely superb at that. Roy was a superb boxer. To say that isn't great skill is idiotic in the extreme.

Tell that to Lou Del Valle, Tarver, Johnson, Danny Green, Denis Lebedev, and Maccarinelli. I suspect they would laugh even louder than me at that crap.

If you are going to talk about a guy with great skill who could hit and rarely get hit, try Mayweather.

You know that most boxers take more punches and lose fights towards the end of their career don't you? Duran did, Jones did, Ali did, Louis did, Robinson did.

Do you post on here under different name?

elmersalsa wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:He doesn't lose to the James Toneys, GGGs, Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins..... Duran was way more skilled than those 5 guys combined

Have you been smoking crack or something? Combined? Really?

Oh, and by the way. you only listed 4 boxers, not 5.

First, you don't know nothing about boxing.
Second, I know through the history of your posts that you don't like the great Roberto Duran
Third, watch Duran fight an you will learn something. In HIS PRIME, Duran was a COMPLETE FIGHTER that none of the guys mentioned in this topic would have beaten him if they were in Duran's weight range. What a fighter he was. The best of the last 50 years if you ask me. I am not alone in that sentiment
Fourth, you think fighting like the greats Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard is truly boxing. Going backwards and running around in circles is not boxing, but surviving. Fighting on the inside is an art, not running and jabbing like Ali, Leonard or the great Roy Jones, Jr.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Have you been smoking crack or something? Combined? Really?

Oh, and by the way. you only listed 4 boxers, not 5.

First, you don't know nothing about boxing.
Second, I know through the history of your posts that you don't like the great Roberto Duran
Third, watch Duran fight an you will learn something. In HIS PRIME, Duran was a COMPLETE FIGHTER that none of the guys mentioned in this topic would have beaten him if they were in Duran's weight range. What a fighter he was. The best of the last 50 years if you ask me. I am not alone in that sentiment
Fourth, you think fighting like the greats Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard is truly boxing. Going backwards and running around in circles is not boxing, but surviving. Fighting on the inside is an art, not running and jabbing like Ali, Leonard or the great Roy Jones, Jr.

Duran was a great fighter. I 100% agree with that. At MW, he was not a great fighter. Duran was highly skilled, but he wasn't more skilled as those 5 (actually 4) guys combined. Your Duran worship makes you totally biased. I like Duran, but it doesn't make me biased.

golden oldie wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

golden oldie wrote:
Tell that to Lou Del Valle, Tarver, Johnson, Danny Green, Denis Lebedev, and Maccarinelli. I suspect they would laugh even louder than me at that crap.

If you are going to talk about a guy with great skill who could hit and rarely get hit, try Mayweather.

You know that most boxers take more punches and lose fights towards the end of their career don't you? Duran did, Jones did, Ali did, Louis did, Robinson did.

Do you post on here under different name?

Duran got sparked in his 83rd fight by one of the best 154lb fighters ever, having started out and made his name at 135. Jones got sparked back to back in his 52nd, and 53rd fights by 2 nothing special fighters who were in the same division he had been fighting in for 8 years.

Do you usually follow badminton? If not maybe you should.

golden oldie wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

golden oldie wrote:
Duran got sparked in his 83rd fight by one of the best 154lb fighters ever, having started out and made his name at 135. Jones got sparked back to back in his 52nd, and 53rd fights by 2 nothing special fighters who were in the same division he had been fighting in for 8 years.

Do you usually follow badminton? If not maybe you should.

The amount of fights it took before someone got knocked out means absolutely nothing. Some boxers have shorter primes than others. Who knows, Duran may have quit like a spoilt kid against RJJ.

Pure conjecture on your part.

The facts are Duran didn't get sparked until his 83rd fight by an ATG fighter 2 divisions above his natural fighting weight. Jones got sparked twice long before that by 2 guys that NO ONE would label as ATG fighters fighting in his own recognised division.

Huge difference.

golden oldie wrote:

DareTBG wrote:

Kalan wrote:Duran would get knocked out cold or stopped by each of these much bigger, stronger men... In the 1st round by Golovkin.. In the 1st round by Toney.. by the 8th round by Hopkins.. and by the 5th round by Roy Jones.. The reason is they're all WAY too big and tall for Duran, just like the chinny and available Tommy Hearns was.. Even Toney would have 3 inches on Duran (he was bigger and taller than Hagler) and would just smash the lil' tyke to death instantaneously.. You can add Carlos Monzon to that list because he would have crushed Duran as well.

You saw that Duran didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell versus Hearns, right??? And Barkley beat Hearns twice but lost a squeaker to Duran... Why is that??? Because Barkley couldn't box very well and was a very poor attacker...however Hearns made himself available by trading punches with Barkley and Hagler.. They were both tall and strong enough to reach Hearns' glassy chin, where Duran wasn't.. Hearns could be tagged with KO punches by big guys who could punch hard, but he was a fair enough technical boxer that a shorty like Duran couldn't reach his vulnerable chin in a million years...and Duran wasn't big or strong enough to pose a threat to Hearns by trading punches ... It's classic style dynamics...

Hagler fought Duran's fight and boxed him all the way.. That wasn't the best game plan for a little guy.. Hag may have stopped RD if he went after him a lot harder.. You're supposed to beat up smaller, weaker opponents---and get rid of them pronto.. Hag made the same mistake with Leonard.

Golovkin, Toney, Hopkins, and Jones were all bigger, taller, and stronger than Duran---having bigger advantages than Hagler, who was a small Middleweight... And they could all box 10 X better than Iran Barkley.. They all had very good jabs which would control the much shorter Duran... They all had nifty rights, that could rain down on Duran from on high like nobody's business... Ray Leonard beat Marvin Hagler, but immediately gave up the Lineal Middleweight Title Belt, just like Canelo did -- except Leonard NEVER defended his 160 strap... Leonard had NO interest in facing the top Middleweight Contenders: Michael Nunn.. Mike McCallum.. and Julian Jackson, who were very tough to beat... Leonard eventually went back down to 154 to fight the supposedly chinny Terry Norris---who Julian Jackson had iced in an earlier fight---so careful cherry-picking doesn't always work that well... As Leonard-Norris was happening, Nunn, McCallum, and Jackson owned the splintered Middleweight belts.

Duran was a fat bloated mess against Hearns. Everybody knows Duran had issues between fights that resulted in him going into fights far from his best shape. Not saying he would beat Tommy but Montreal dedicated Duran doesn't get iced by no one.

Your credibility has completely gone by describing this guy as a " fat, bloated, mess "


https://youtu.be/DaESioM03g4

That was at 154.

Here he is at 156 and a half


https://youtu.be/9nf-i-V6HGU

and here he is at 145 and a half

https://youtu.be/ugdPzhZSgKk


assuming you have a brain, you work out what the effect of putting on 9, and 11 lbs respectively will do to a guy who is only 5' 7" tall. He is far from either fat, or bloated.

As for your other statement about Golovkin's punch power being seriously over rated, that is naive at best, and moronic at worst.

elmersalsa wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:He doesn't lose to the James Toneys, GGGs, Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins..... Duran was way more skilled than those 5 guys combined

Have you been smoking crack or something? Combined? Really?

Oh, and by the way. you only listed 4 boxers, not 5.

First, you don't know nothing about boxing.
Second, I know through the history of your posts that you don't like the great Roberto Duran
Third, watch Duran fight an you will learn something. In HIS PRIME, Duran was a COMPLETE FIGHTER that none of the guys mentioned in this topic would have beaten him if they were in Duran's weight range. What a fighter he was. The best of the last 50 years if you ask me. I am not alone in that sentiment
Fourth, you think fighting like the greats Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard is truly boxing. Going backwards and running around in circles is not boxing, but surviving. Fighting on the inside is an art, not running and jabbing like Ali, Leonard or the great Roy Jones, Jr.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
I agree with most of your comment's ''elmersalsa'' Hands of Stone was a certainly a complete fighter give him PED'S and he destroys RJJ career

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Have you been smoking crack or something? Combined? Really?

Oh, and by the way. you only listed 4 boxers, not 5.

First, you don't know nothing about boxing.
Second, I know through the history of your posts that you don't like the great Roberto Duran
Third, watch Duran fight an you will learn something. In HIS PRIME, Duran was a COMPLETE FIGHTER that none of the guys mentioned in this topic would have beaten him if they were in Duran's weight range. What a fighter he was. The best of the last 50 years if you ask me. I am not alone in that sentiment
Fourth, you think fighting like the greats Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard is truly boxing. Going backwards and running around in circles is not boxing, but surviving. Fighting on the inside is an art, not running and jabbing like Ali, Leonard or the great Roy Jones, Jr.

I agree with most of your comment's ''elmersalsa'' Hands of Stone was a certainly a complete fighter give him PED'S and he destroys RJJ career Toney although great tactician wasn't better then Duran even at Middleweight a weight that he [Toney] struggled to make I would have Duran by close split dec over Toney B-Hop would give Duran trouble especially at Middleweight his best fighting weight probably win a very close dec in a very competitive fight but I still wouldn't count out Duran and GGG well he aint in a million year's Koing Duran he's to slow with his punch's and Duran to fast between the ear's to be Ko'd by one of the slowest Middleweight Champion's in history Duran would certainly have been prepared for GGG power shot's knowing that he's got sleeping pill's in both glove's GGG by un dec much the same as the Hagler fight with Duran tiring down the stretch.

golden oldie wrote:

DareTBG wrote:

Kalan wrote:Duran would get knocked out cold or stopped by each of these much bigger, stronger men... In the 1st round by Golovkin.. In the 1st round by Toney.. by the 8th round by Hopkins.. and by the 5th round by Roy Jones.. The reason is they're all WAY too big and tall for Duran, just like the chinny and available Tommy Hearns was.. Even Toney would have 3 inches on Duran (he was bigger and taller than Hagler) and would just smash the lil' tyke to death instantaneously.. You can add Carlos Monzon to that list because he would have crushed Duran as well.

You saw that Duran didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell versus Hearns, right??? And Barkley beat Hearns twice but lost a squeaker to Duran... Why is that??? Because Barkley couldn't box very well and was a very poor attacker...however Hearns made himself available by trading punches with Barkley and Hagler.. They were both tall and strong enough to reach Hearns' glassy chin, where Duran wasn't.. Hearns could be tagged with KO punches by big guys who could punch hard, but he was a fair enough technical boxer that a shorty like Duran couldn't reach his vulnerable chin in a million years...and Duran wasn't big or strong enough to pose a threat to Hearns by trading punches ... It's classic style dynamics...

Hagler fought Duran's fight and boxed him all the way.. That wasn't the best game plan for a little guy.. Hag may have stopped RD if he went after him a lot harder.. You're supposed to beat up smaller, weaker opponents---and get rid of them pronto.. Hag made the same mistake with Leonard.

Golovkin, Toney, Hopkins, and Jones were all bigger, taller, and stronger than Duran---having bigger advantages than Hagler, who was a small Middleweight... And they could all box 10 X better than Iran Barkley.. They all had very good jabs which would control the much shorter Duran... They all had nifty rights, that could rain down on Duran from on high like nobody's business... Ray Leonard beat Marvin Hagler, but immediately gave up the Lineal Middleweight Title Belt, just like Canelo did -- except Leonard NEVER defended his 160 strap... Leonard had NO interest in facing the top Middleweight Contenders: Michael Nunn.. Mike McCallum.. and Julian Jackson, who were very tough to beat... Leonard eventually went back down to 154 to fight the supposedly chinny Terry Norris---who Julian Jackson had iced in an earlier fight---so careful cherry-picking doesn't always work that well... As Leonard-Norris was happening, Nunn, McCallum, and Jackson owned the splintered Middleweight belts.

Duran was a fat bloated mess against Hearns. Everybody knows Duran had issues between fights that resulted in him going into fights far from his best shape. Not saying he would beat Tommy but Montreal dedicated Duran doesn't get iced by no one.

Your credibility has completely gone by describing this guy as a " fat, bloated, mess "


https://youtu.be/DaESioM03g4

That was at 154.

Here he is at 156 and a half


https://youtu.be/9nf-i-V6HGU

and here he is at 145 and a half

https://youtu.be/ugdPzhZSgKk


assuming you have a brain, you work out what the effect of putting on 9, and 11 lbs respectively will do to a guy who is only 5' 7" tall. He is far from either fat, or bloated.

As for your other statement about Golovkin's punch power being seriously over rated, that is naive at best, and moronic at worst.

golden oldie wrote:

davie wrote:

golden oldie wrote:
Excellent post.

I am an unashamed Duran fan, but the disrespect being shown to Golovkin on this site is moronic. If Tommy Hearns can switch Roberto off the way he did, then don't anyone kid themselves GGG couldn't comatose Roberto with ease.

He could potentially knock him out. But I think it's a stretch to say he does so with ease. In fact as we're talking disrespectful, I'm surprised anyone who claims to be a Duran fan would argue anyone ices him easily.
GGG is a fantastic fighter and I said in my point, he could do it if he catches him sweet, but that is no easy task and he'd take some awful punishment trying to find that spot.
Let's not forget Hearns was a magnificent fight too, not just a heavy handed fighter.

I am a fan, I have never been nor never will be a " fanboy "

Roberto at 147 was nothing like as fast or elusive as he was at 135. At above 147 he was markedly slower than even that. He relied on his inside fighting skills which were tremendous. However Hagler or Hearns had nothing like the power of Golovkin. The guy can stop 160 fighters dead in their tracks with body shots, causing their hands to drop for his head shots to land.

Hearns in particular was a devastating puncher due to the speed of his punches, Golovkins are just sheer power and timing. With his height and reach advantages, you would have to favour him to land on Roberto fairly easily.

Kalan wrote:For me, a fan is somebody who likes a boxer and generally roots for his success... but sees both his gifts and shortcomings objectively.

A fanboy is somebody who loves a boxer, and promotes him over most other boxers... while exaggerating his gifts and dismissing his shortcomings.

A hater is somebody who, at best, grudgingly admits to the gifts of a certain boxer... but dismisses them and makes up shortcomings out of thin air.

Kalan wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

elmersalsa wrote: First, you don't know nothing about boxing.
Second, I know through the history of your posts that you don't like the great Roberto Duran
Third, watch Duran fight an you will learn something. In HIS PRIME, Duran was a COMPLETE FIGHTER that none of the guys mentioned in this topic would have beaten him if they were in Duran's weight range. What a fighter he was. The best of the last 50 years if you ask me. I am not alone in that sentiment
Fourth, you think fighting like the greats Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard is truly boxing. Going backwards and running around in circles is not boxing, but surviving. Fighting on the inside is an art, not running and jabbing like Ali, Leonard or the great Roy Jones, Jr.

I agree with most of your comment's ''elmersalsa'' Hands of Stone was a certainly a complete fighter give him PED'S and he destroys RJJ career Toney although great tactician wasn't better then Duran even at Middleweight a weight that he [Toney] struggled to make I would have Duran by close split dec over Toney B-Hop would give Duran trouble especially at Middleweight his best fighting weight probably win a very close dec in a very competitive fight but I still wouldn't count out Duran and GGG well he aint in a million year's Koing Duran he's to slow with his punch's and Duran to fast between the ear's to be Ko'd by one of the slowest Middleweight Champion's in history Duran would certainly have been prepared for GGG power shot's knowing that he's got sleeping pill's in both glove's GGG by un dec much the same as the Hagler fight with Duran tiring down the stretch.

You're an idiot if you think Golovkin is slow... He has very quick feet.. Fleet footed Welterweight, the 36-0 Kell Brook, had the ring quickly cut off on him by GGG... Kell was begging out of the fight before the 5th round... Duran was beaten by Lightweight Dejesus... Welterweight Leonard... Super Welterweight...Hearns... very slow Middleweight Rob Sims... slow Super Middleweight Vinny Panzienza -- and tons of other boxers in-between, some of whom were pretty damned bad .... GGG's record in World Title fights is 18-0 with 18 KO wins.. What's Duran's???

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Kalan wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

I agree with most of your comment's ''elmersalsa'' Hands of Stone was a certainly a complete fighter give him PED'S and he destroys RJJ career Toney although great tactician wasn't better then Duran even at Middleweight a weight that he [Toney] struggled to make I would have Duran by close split dec over Toney B-Hop would give Duran trouble especially at Middleweight his best fighting weight probably win a very close dec in a very competitive fight but I still wouldn't count out Duran and GGG well he aint in a million year's Koing Duran he's to slow with his punch's and Duran to fast between the ear's to be Ko'd by one of the slowest Middleweight Champion's in history Duran would certainly have been prepared for GGG power shot's knowing that he's got sleeping pill's in both glove's GGG by un dec much the same as the Hagler fight with Duran tiring down the stretch.

You're an idiot if you think Golovkin is slow... He has very quick feet.. Fleet footed Welterweight, the 36-0 Kell Brook, had the ring quickly cut off on him by GGG... Kell was begging out of the fight before the 5th round... Duran was beaten by Lightweight Dejesus... Welterweight Leonard... Super Welterweight...Hearns... very slow Middleweight Rob Sims... slow Super Middleweight Vinny Panzienza -- and tons of other boxers in-between, some of whom were pretty damned bad .... GGG's record in World Title fights is 18-0 with 18 KO wins.. What's Duran's???

GGG IS NOT A FAST MIDDLEWEIGHT HE WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED FAST EVEN IF HE WAS A CRUISERWEIGHT YOU ARE IN THE TOP 2 MOST DESEVED IMBERCILE'S I'V EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF DEBATING A BOXING MATCH..........DURAN LEGEND HOF......GGG FUTURE HOF BUT WELL SHORT OF LEGEND STATUS HE NEEDS TO FORGET ABOUT CANELO AND MOVE UP AND EARN THAT LEGEND STATUS BEAT WARD/KOVALOV/DE GALE/STEVENSON.
EVEN A LOSS WILL HELP HIM CEMENT HIS LEGACY YOU GOOSE.