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CaptainSpacerod wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: According to Ring Magazine:

• Manny Pacquiao (3rd)
• Saul Alvarez (10th)
• Shane Mosley (3rd)
• Juan Manuel Marquez (2nd)
• Ricky Hatton (8th)
• Diego Corrales (5th)

I used an internet archive website to retrieve the pound-for-pound lists from the archived Ring Magazine ratings dated shortly before each of Mayweather's bouts against these men to obtain this info.

There’s no need to guess the answer to this question when the information is easily accessible.

The Ring's ratings can be politically skewed and unreliable. Mosley was at least 5 years past his best and was clearly a much diminished fighter when he met Mayweather.

I'd also question Marquez' rating but however high his legitimate p4p ranking was he would always be too small to give Mayweather a true test

With Marquez it'd make sense to do something like Boxrec's system does and compensate for movement in weight class. He'd been a super featherweight in 2008, fought twice at lightweight, and then skipped up to welterweight. Calling him P4P #2 coming into the Mayweather fight doesn't reflect that quick change.

After which adjustment he would still be top 10, but... not number 2 by any means.

CaptainSpacerod wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: According to Ring Magazine:

• Manny Pacquiao (3rd)
• Saul Alvarez (10th)
• Shane Mosley (3rd)
• Juan Manuel Marquez (2nd)
• Ricky Hatton (8th)
• Diego Corrales (5th)

I used an internet archive website to retrieve the pound-for-pound lists from the archived Ring Magazine ratings dated shortly before each of Mayweather's bouts against these men to obtain this info.

There’s no need to guess the answer to this question when the information is easily accessible.

The Ring's ratings can be politically skewed and unreliable. Mosley was at least 5 years past his best and was clearly a much diminished fighter when he met Mayweather.

I'd also question Marquez' rating but however high his legitimate p4p ranking was he would always be too small to give Mayweather a true test

I agree with you. Let's pay attention to who's P4P list we are talking about. There's NO WAY, Shane Mosley was even close to a top 10 P4P fighter when Floyd fought him or Manny for that matter. Canelo just cracked the top 10 a couple years ago. Corrales wasn't even close to #5 P4P at that time or most people's top 10 for that matter. Hatton? Nope. A solid P4P list may have included JMM in the 10 spot at best but at 130-135, not fighting at 146 where Floyd felt like coming in at for their fight.

A better question is "HOW MANY #1 CONTENDERS DID FLOYD FIGHT IN HIS CAREER AS CHAMPION?" Good luck with that one. The answer is probably zero.

Enlightened-One wrote:According to Ring Magazine:

• Manny Pacquiao (3rd)
• Saul Alvarez (10th)
• Shane Mosley (3rd)
• Juan Manuel Marquez (2nd)
• Ricky Hatton (8th)
• Diego Corrales (5th)

I used an internet archive website to retrieve the pound-for-pound lists from the archived Ring Magazine ratings dated shortly before each of Mayweather's bouts against these men to obtain this info.

To those that feel compelled to attack my response to the question posed by the title of this thread, what I've written is technically accurate (from the perspective of Ring Magazine).

Prove me wrong if you believe these rankings to be incorrect?

However, if you feel compelled to undermine the legitimacy of these ratings (as a result of enjoying the benefit of hindsight) or feel the need to criticise Mayweather's legacy in general, wouldn't that be off-topic, possibly warranting a separate thread?

Hatton was absolutely a top 10 p4p guy when Floyd fought him. He was undefeated and coming off of a win over a top 5 p4p guy in Kostya Tzyu.

Lennox wrote:No one has beaten more in the last 25 years that's for sure.

- Are you not the current shill for transnational rankings that would call into question those rankings if you believed such fairy tales?
TUE first beat #5 Corrales in 2001 before Manny beat#3 Barerra that earns him the #6 Ring P4P, just under #5 TUE by 2003. In 2010-11 the P4P #1 is Pacquiao over TUE #2 with Manny holding a career 7-1-1, 5 KO record against Ring ranked P4P fighters in comparison to #2 TUE at 4-0, 2 KO by end of 2011. Since then Manny's gone 3-3, taking losses to TUE, Balco Marquez, and Bradley, but beating Bradley x2 and Balco Marquez once.

TUE in 2013 beat Guerrero and Canelo, both of whom were fraudulently installed by a Haymon stooge the week AFTER TUE signed to fight them on short notice. That former idiot judge Gimpy thankfully was fired as P4P czar after Oscar gets out of recovery. TUE later beats Pac in the worst fight of the millennium to currently stand at 7-0, 2 KO, so Pac with more P4P fights, wins, and KOs at 10-4-1, 5 KO to Tue 7-0, 2 KO. Manny faced the #1 in his division debut 3x, where as TUE did only once. Moreover, Manny's first division debut was against Barrera and 2nd division debut his very next against the soon to be Balco Marquez where Vegas judge Clements admits to bungling his scorecard that would have given Manny the win instead of a draw.

Manny's first P4P win over top Barrera pristine compared to Corrales who had ditched his superfeather belt to move to lightweight only to get caught out in a felony conviction in desperate need of cash before incarceration and in no way fit to fight that night. Keep in mind that Manny since 2010 has also been working as a Philippine Representative of Congress and now Senator. Manny also holds the record for consecutive P4P weekly ratings, 12+ years before he was removed upon retirement. Nobody even close and it will be an unbreakable record just as his P4P win/loss record will be.

Yeah, I know, Manny boggles the usual addled minds posting here, but it's worth noting before your lot returns to genuflecting their inner buffoonery on these boards.