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golden oldie wrote:

Kalan wrote:A sure sign that you have no argument is that you're are NOT addressing my arguments at ALL..

And your not addressing mine which is quite simple.

Post Ray Robinson's complete World Title fight resume or shut the hell up, because I think most folks on the board are fully aware you are a fool, proving it beyond doubt by trying to vilify SRR is way above your perverse call of duty.

Oh, and by the way don't talk shite about Brook being a big Middleweight because he came into the ring at 170. Both Clottey and Margarito came to the ring at 170 on plenty of occasions having weighed in at 147 also. A big Middleweight would be a guy who weighed in at 160, and weighed almost 180 by fight time.

Kalan wrote:A sure sign that you have no argument is that you're are NOT addressing my arguments at ALL.. Please go through my last post and address my arguments.. For instance, do you think little Carmen Basilio, who lost fights to a lot of 2nd raters, would beat Errol Spence???

NOBODY considered Gene Fullmer a top boxer or a skilled athlete... Most considered him a clumsy, wide open plodder with no snap in his punches.. He certainly lost his share of fights, fighting guys making their pro debut as late as his 15th fight.. Fullmer went dozens of fights without scoring a KO because he loaded everything.. Fullmer was knocked down, knocked out, and beaten to shreds by Dick Tiger, a tough Nigerian who was out-boxed many times by fair boxers -- Tiger was never outboxed by anyone like Fullmer who he fought 3 X.. Gennady Golovkin would be a 20/1 favorite to beat Fullmer.. It would be a ridiculous slaughter and you know it.

evrenb wrote:this is very interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp91P3rJl3g&t=65s

golden oldie wrote:

Kalan wrote:
You're not one step from a chump...you're already there... Like I said before, Yory Boy Campas went 56-0 before he faced a good fighter in Felix Trinidad... If he quit at 56-0 it wouldn't have made him greater than Marciano or Maryweather based on his W/L record... He certainly couldn't box.

Robinson was a great fighter, but he did pad his record. It's what you did in those days.. He fought 150 easily beaten fighters, many of whom he wouldn't hire for sparring partners.. Golovkin could barnstorm around, fighting one of those creampuffs every week and build a record of 236-0 in 4 years.. Robinson did beat some good fighters, but after he won the Middleweight Title he quickly padded his record with 8 cherry-picks in 4 months, before defending his title.

Your record in Actual Title Defenses is the Gold Standard... Robinson's was pretty good in MIddleweight Title Defenses but not as good as Golovkin's

GGG's record in World MIddleweight Title Defenses: 17-0 with 17 KO wins

SRR's record in World MIddleweight Title Defenses: 3-3 with 2 KO wins

GGG is a dynamite puncher and finds it difficult to get the World's best Middleweights into a ring... They're scared... SRR wasn't so scary -- scoring only 2 KO wins in 6 Middleweight Title Defenses.. And guys who saw his effort against Ralph Jones were further reassured they likely wouldn't get stretched.

Do you come from Arkansas, where it is alleged inbreeding is a way of life as opposed to a past time? That might explain your retarded level of comprehension.

Who Robinson padded his record with is of no consequence at all. It is who he fought in WORLD TITLE fights that is of any importance.

So for the last time either post Robinson's full WORLD TITLE FIGHT resume, and make yourself look an idiot publicly, or go and spread your spurious garbage among other like minded religious moronic scum.

Do you know why I consider the likes of you as scum? Because I watch some fool with a towel around his head claiming Allah, told him it was perfectly acceptable to blow up the twin towers, only to then watch 2 so called civilised scumbags, named Bush and Blair, claiming their god told them to go ahead and bomb the shite out of women and children in Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Funny how the 3 of them are all as thick as each other don't you think? So what price the headless chickens that believe in and follow that kind of crap?

golden oldie wrote:

APerno wrote:

golden oldie wrote:
And your not addressing mine which is quite simple.

Post Ray Robinson's complete World Title fight resume or shut the hell up, because I think most folks on the board are fully aware you are a fool, proving it beyond doubt by trying to vilify SRR is way above your perverse call of duty.

Oh, and by the way don't talk shite about Brook being a big Middleweight because he came into the ring at 170. Both Clottey and Margarito came to the ring at 170 on plenty of occasions having weighed in at 147 also. A big Middleweight would be a guy who weighed in at 160, and weighed almost 180 by fight time.

They should demand same day weigh-ins to avoid that - always felt McClellan was too big to constitute a middleweight - making the fight against Jackson unfair/unrealistic

Though I tend to agree with you, no one can blame a fighter or his " team " for exploiting the rules of the game as they stand at the time of competing. Don't forget BOTH fighters have the right to boil down to skeletal proportions, then hope they can re hydrate to normal within X AMOUNT of hours.

The trick is distinguishing between the pretenders who exploit those rules today, and the GENUINE ALL TIME GREATS from yesteryear who didn't have that luxury.

golden oldie wrote:

Kalan wrote:

BOY oldie... You're all over the map like an insane, ranting, raving lunatic... You're like Tyson Fury after 17 beers 5 quaaludes going off on politics.

Ray Robinson had 15 World Middleweight Title Fights and his total record in them was a mediocre 8-6-1... Besides losing those 6 Middleweight Title Fights he also lost to Joey Maxim and Ralph Jones during that that stretch..

Bernard Hopkins -- 25 World Middleweight Title Fights with 21 wins...

Gennady Golovkin -- 18 World Middleweight Title fights with 18 KO wins...

Carlos Monzon -- 15 World Title Fights with 15 wins...

Marvin Hagler -- 14 World Middleweight Title Fights with 12 wins....

Ray Robinson -- 15 World Middleweight TItle Fights with only 8 wins

It's easy to see that Robinson had the worst record of that group.. He had the fewest KO's and fewest wins of the group... Gene Fullmer was his opponent in 4 of those fights.. Fullmer was such a slow and punchless plodder that he went 26 fights in a row without scoring a single KO in a stretch that included a win over Robinson. Fullmer was also very easy to hit.. Carmen Basilio was his opponent in 2 of those fights.. Basilio was a short little Welterweight who lost a lot of fights previously.. Paul Pender was his opponent in 2 of those fights.. Pender was so pale and weak looking he was Mr. Rogers in boxing trunks ... Bobo Olson was his opponent in 3 of those fights. When Olson fought Jose Torres he was knocked out in the 1st round. When he fought Doug Jones he was knocked in 6 rounds. When he fought Pat McMurty he was knocked out in 2 rounds. When he fought Archie Moore he was knocked out in 3 rounds. To say Olson was chinny is not an insult.. He admitted that himself.

None of Robinson's Middleweight Title opponents were outstanding boxers-punchers of the caliber that Hopkins, Monzon, or Golovkin fought

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Thank you for proving my assumption that you are indeed an inbred from somewhere like Arkansas, or wherever the hell Dolly Parton used to sing her horrendous songs about.

I challenged you to post Ray Robinson's COMPLETE World Title Fight resume, and predictably you posted the parts of it that supported your agenda driven drivel.

As you have been repeatedly told Robinson was so far ahead of his time he was having to fight and knock out Middleweights when he was a mere Welter. The fact that you chose to ignore or disparage these FACTS only goes to re enforce your anti Robinson agenda.

Perhaps you are a racist, who knows? But without doubt, you are a MORON.

Oh, AGAIN, if you want to try and puff your stupid chest out and promote your so called " superior " knowledge FFS don't put up a lump of crap like Hopkins as an example of greatness. The peasant couldn't draw flies to shite, until he leeched money from ODH, Tito, Calzaghe, and the Jones rematch.

The reality is NO ONE gave a toss whether or not Hopkins was alive, dead, fighting, or retired. The harsh facts are BORENARD is the epitome of the INCREDIBLY BORING MAN.

Sorry to dispel your pre conceptions but Hopkins is the sort of guy who could be standing next to you in a Supermarket, tell you who he is, and you would just smile, say " well done " and put your pin number in to pay the checkout girl, because it was more important than listening to HIM.

GPTM1403 wrote:Mismatch, not on ability but Robinson wasn't a big middle and really shouldn't have been taking that LHW fight, no way he should be getting in the ring with Patterson. OK FP wasn't quite an all time great but he was very good and whilst he wasn't Sonny Liston big for the time he was still a big man, with good speed and skills, he'd have landed and taking shots for 15 rounds against someone that much bigger isn't a good idea, without any allowance for clinches and the effect of those. Whoever decided not to pursue this one made a good move. It is one thing for RJJ, a natural SM-LH to beat a slow as treacle guy at heavy, another for a natural welter to take on a guy with speed and movement to go with the extra natural size.