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Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

lefty wrote:GGG has crushed cans and a blown up welterweight. You shouldn't be P4P no1 based off of that.

GGG takes this version of Ward out at 175.

3G had his opportunity at 168 and he passed on it, so the current P4P king went north and showed him what real ballz are.

Siddown and stfu with the 3G woulda, coulda bullsh!t. He shoulda fought Ward at 168. He chose to keep being a man among boyz.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
GGG takes this version of Ward out at 175.

3G had his opportunity at 168 and he passed on it, so the current P4P king went north and showed him what real ballz are.

Siddown and stfu with the 3G woulda, coulda bullsh!t. He shoulda fought Ward at 168. He chose to keep being a man among boyz.

Do you have memory issues? Don't you remember that Golovkin had a Lemieux PPV signed when Ward's "offer" came ?

Also, at 168, Ward was faster and less awkward, at least his 2011 version. Once again, Golovkin takes current Ward out at any weight.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
GGG takes this version of Ward out at 175.

3G had his opportunity at 168 and he passed on it, so the current P4P king went north and showed him what real ballz are.

Siddown and stfu with the 3G woulda, coulda bullsh!t. He shoulda fought Ward at 168. He chose to keep being a man among boyz.

Do you have memory issues? Don't you remember that Golovkin had a Lemieux PPV signed when Ward's "offer" came ?

Also, at 168, Ward was faster and less awkward, at least his 2011 version. Once again, Golovkin takes current Ward out at any weight.

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote: 3G had his opportunity at 168 and he passed on it, so the current P4P king went north and showed him what real ballz are.

Siddown and stfu with the 3G woulda, coulda bullsh!t. He shoulda fought Ward at 168. He chose to keep being a man among boyz.

Do you have memory issues? Don't you remember that Golovkin had a Lemieux PPV signed when Ward's "offer" came ?

Also, at 168, Ward was faster and less awkward, at least his 2011 version. Once again, Golovkin takes current Ward out at any weight.

Wait a minute didn't you say this about Krusher?

Btw, Krusher did the holding last night, or my prediction may well have come true.

3G needs to step it up, and I am a huge 3G fan. Making excuses for him is not a good look, but you are too oblivious to recognize that.

lefty wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote: 3G had his opportunity at 168 and he passed on it, so the current P4P king went north and showed him what real ballz are.

Siddown and stfu with the 3G woulda, coulda bullsh!t. He shoulda fought Ward at 168. He chose to keep being a man among boyz.

Do you have memory issues? Don't you remember that Golovkin had a Lemieux PPV signed when Ward's "offer" came ?

Also, at 168, Ward was faster and less awkward, at least his 2011 version. Once again, Golovkin takes current Ward out at any weight.

To be fair he could have pulled out of the Lemieux fight or paid him step aside money so he could fight Ward. It wouldn't be the first time fighters have done that.

Jip wrote:kovalev won the fight. his power is elite. but his condition is not so great, he is stiff and his mind is not so great and his logical understanding of when to push and go for the kill. he was doing not much and waisting important time in which he could land and hurt ward had he gone ALL OUT.

ward is a very good boxer, but wont never be elite. 35 % of his gameplan is illegal, rabbit punching, holding, wrestling, grabing. he is just lucky that he got usa refs who let things slide. instead of inforcing the rules of boxing and deducting him points.

rigondeaux, 10 times more athletic than them, faster than them, more techniqule than them, just better.

diddy wrote:Ward stood in there with Kovalev and GGG is going to beat Ward? GGG is 3 inches smaller than Kovalev for f*ck sake. GGG isnt having the success from the outside that Kovalev did, he's too small. Which means not only can Ward box from a safer distance against GGG but GGG will be forced to get inside more to land - which is exactly where Ward is his strongest, in the clinch. All last nite did was confirm that GGG cant beat Ward. But I'm sure plenty of clowns here will swear he would win, just like they were sure Kovalev would kill Ward.

Jip wrote:and i was right. after watching loma fight reminds me of what top 2 is

zorndeslammes wrote:Kovalev is a good fighter but nothing about him screams "p4p" level talent. That said, I think he could beat a lot of lower level heavyweights and most of the cruiserweights, but I'm not convinced he can beat Usyk. Someone who is P4P #1 shouldn't be a fighter I consider to be 50/50 moving up in weight to face a relatively new competitor and unranked P4P competitor.

Ward is unquestionably very good still, but he is so reliant on his left hand now that it appears to be a fundamental flaw. Maybe he manages to win a wide decision in a rematch against Kovalev, or Sergei realizes part of the mistake in the first fight was not being active enough early on and allowing Ward to get in a rhythm; to me, that's a pick em contest I have little faith I'll ever see given Ward's general refusal thus far in his career to make rematches. Like Kovalev, I look at a move up in weight to Usyk and even Dorticos and I'm not at all convinced that Ward is capable of winning those fights now.

On the flipside, regardless of how bad Walters was prepared mentally or physically last night, you can't help but be impressed with Lomachenko's performance to a great degree. He appears to be peerless at 130, and it is hard to seriously take most 135 or 140 pound talent as serious threats to him. Who here would pick "World Champion" Ricky Burns to beat Vasyl Lomachenko? Or how about world ranked John Molina Jr.? These are some of the people there, and he makes them look foolish. That to me is a P4P level guy - someone who's talent clearly can translate to dominance against lesser skilled but bigger men.

diddy wrote:Ward stood in there with Kovalev and GGG is going to beat Ward? GGG is 3 inches smaller than Kovalev for f*ck sake. GGG isnt having the success from the outside that Kovalev did, he's too small. Which means not only can Ward box from a safer distance against GGG but GGG will be forced to get inside more to land - which is exactly where Ward is his strongest, in the clinch. All last nite did was confirm that GGG cant beat Ward. But I'm sure plenty of clowns here will swear he would win, just like they were sure Kovalev would kill Ward.

zorndeslammes wrote:Kovalev is a good fighter but nothing about him screams "p4p" level talent. That said, I think he could beat a lot of lower level heavyweights and most of the cruiserweights, but I'm not convinced he can beat Usyk. Someone who is P4P #1 shouldn't be a fighter I consider to be 50/50 moving up in weight to face a relatively new competitor and unranked P4P competitor.

Ward is unquestionably very good still, but he is so reliant on his left hand now that it appears to be a fundamental flaw. Maybe he manages to win a wide decision in a rematch against Kovalev, or Sergei realizes part of the mistake in the first fight was not being active enough early on and allowing Ward to get in a rhythm; to me, that's a pick em contest I have little faith I'll ever see given Ward's general refusal thus far in his career to make rematches. Like Kovalev, I look at a move up in weight to Usyk and even Dorticos and I'm not at all convinced that Ward is capable of winning those fights now.

On the flipside, regardless of how bad Walters was prepared mentally or physically last night, you can't help but be impressed with Lomachenko's performance to a great degree. He appears to be peerless at 130, and it is hard to seriously take most 135 or 140 pound talent as serious threats to him. Who here would pick "World Champion" Ricky Burns to beat Vasyl Lomachenko? Or how about world ranked John Molina Jr.? These are some of the people there, and he makes them look foolish. That to me is a P4P level guy - someone who's talent clearly can translate to dominance against lesser skilled but bigger men.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 15:26 what a good thread i did back

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Nov 2016, 02:15

Jip wrote:
yeah kov and ward beat better men, but in terms of boxing ability, skills they inferior to rigo.
tell me, who is faster, more athletic, more techniquly sound, who has the better footwork. rigo, ward or kovalev.

Well obviously the guy that's 50 pounds lighter than either of those 2 is faster. I think Kovalev and Ward are equally technically sound to Rigo just with a different approach than him. I'd give it to you that Rigo has better footwork.

But you gotta have the wins to back a P4P #1 ranking and he just doesn't have enough meaningful ones. His biggest win is still Donaire from a few years ago, and it doesn't look like another defining win is coming his way anytime soon.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 18:20

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Nov 2016, 02:15

Well obviously the guy that's 50 pounds lighter than either of those 2 is faster. I think Kovalev and Ward are equally technically sound to Rigo just with a different approach than him. I'd give it to you that Rigo has better footwork.

But you gotta have the wins to back a P4P #1 ranking and he just doesn't have enough meaningful ones. His biggest win is still Donaire from a few years ago, and it doesn't look like another defining win is coming his way anytime soon.

Hell I was more right years ago than you were Jip

Rigo's biggest win is STILL Donaire. It never got better than that.