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Tanzio wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yup, I think the people saying ward won are just tied into that perpetual myth that kovalev is just a slugger. They boxed so ward must have won. Lol, sergey is faster too. Just a better fighter.

Then he will prove it in the rematch. Last night, he cut it too fine and it cost him. Ward stole the fight. It was not even within shouting distance of a robbery.

It was a terrific fight that I would have loved to have been on the wrong side of the score on.

It was compelling, far from terrific, and kovalev got robbed.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yup, I think the people saying ward won are just tied into that perpetual myth that kovalev is just a slugger. They boxed so ward must have won. Lol, sergey is faster too. Just a better fighter.

"Just coming forward doesn't mean you're winning the fight" is a good indication that some people still think he's just a face first brawler. It's funny how preconceived notions can leach their way into the scoring of a fight.

Tanzio wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yup, I think the people saying ward won are just tied into that perpetual myth that kovalev is just a slugger. They boxed so ward must have won. Lol, sergey is faster too. Just a better fighter.

Then he will prove it in the rematch. Last night, he cut it too fine and it cost him. Ward stole the fight. It was not even within shouting distance of a robbery.

It was a terrific fight that I would have loved to have been on the wrong side of the score on.

Agreed. However that doesn't make a matter to the judges. Will Kovalev get his required 3 KDs in the rematch? That's the question, less to do about boxing.

Blodhemn wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yup, I think the people saying ward won are just tied into that perpetual myth that kovalev is just a slugger. They boxed so ward must have won. Lol, sergey is faster too. Just a better fighter.

"Just coming forward doesn't mean you're winning the fight" is a good indication that some people still think he's just a face first brawler. It's funny how preconceived notions can leach their way into the scoring of a fight.

Tanzio wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yup, I think the people saying ward won are just tied into that perpetual myth that kovalev is just a slugger. They boxed so ward must have won. Lol, sergey is faster too. Just a better fighter.

Then he will prove it in the rematch. Last night, he cut it too fine and it cost him. Ward stole the fight. It was not even within shouting distance of a robbery.

It was a terrific fight that I would have loved to have been on the wrong side of the score on.

Agreed. However that doesn't make a matter to the judges. Will Kovalev get his required 3 KDs in the rematch? That's the question, less to do about boxing.

Completely disagree.

Agree with the idea that a controversial decision isn't a robbery, what makes this one really controversial though is 1000s of fans, reporters, experts watch the fight and you get a really strong mix of scores but watching the same fight 3 judges all give the same score to the same boxer. The whole point of having 3 judges is so that they each see the different angles, they give a proper chance of reflecting the different views in such a close fight. Hence when one fighter scores a knockdown, controls the first half of the fight and ends up losing by the same score on all 3 judges cards you can see why people would call robbery. I guess what most people mean rather than robbery is that this stinks of bullshit, all 3, same score, same guy watching that fight! Robbery implies Kovalev won by miles which he didn't.

jezzamundo wrote:Ward-Kovalev was a great, close fight and the decision was controversial. I scored it the same as the judges, but could easily had given it close to Kovalev, had I given him one of the many swing rounds.

The word robbery is being used willy-nilly by many on this forum. There are certainly robberies in boxing and far too many of them, but this fight wasn't one of them.

Lewis-Holyfield 1 was a robbery
Whitaker-Chavez was a robbery

None of Canelo's wins are robberies - although some of the scorecards have been disgraceful - but many of them are controversial and could have been fairly scored to the other fighter.

Spot on.

This is going to be Leonard v Hagler all over again.

Folk are going to be arguing for the next thirty years about who they thought won it & citing it as some sort of massive robbery, when in actual fact, it was a close fight that could reasonably have gone either way.

I had Kovalev winning by a couple rounds, but there were enough close rounds for an argument to be made for Ward just edging it.

I would say Kovalev was unlucky, but would stop short of calling it a robbery.

Perez, on the other hand, was robbed. I can't see how Hooker won more than two rounds, and I thought the knockdown should have counted.

jezzamundo wrote:Ward-Kovalev was a great, close fight and the decision was controversial. I scored it the same as the judges, but could easily had given it close to Kovalev, had I given him one of the many swing rounds.

The word robbery is being used willy-nilly by many on this forum. There are certainly robberies in boxing and far too many of them, but this fight wasn't one of them.

Lewis-Holyfield 1 was a robbery
Whitaker-Chavez was a robbery

None of Canelo's wins are robberies - although some of the scorecards have been disgraceful - but many of them are controversial and could have been fairly scored to the other fighter.

It was a robbery because Kovalev won at least 8 rounds and scored a hard knockdown... How do you give Ward the 10th??? I think Lewis-Holyfield and Whitaker-Chavez were just as bad if not worse... but this was bad... Kovalev won the fight and there's not a whole lot that's controversial about it... If he were an American he would have been awarded the fight, and he would have gotten a lot more money.

I will also say that the Canelo-Lara fight was a flat out robbery... Lara won that fight 117-111 and should have been awarded the win... That sucked... Lara maneuvered very quickly around the ring and the excuse Canelo fans make for that is he was running... The rules stipulate that you can use the 400 square feet of the ring surface to maneuver... and you don't get point deducted for giving yourself more distance because you have longer arms and are better boxing at range.. Lara landed more clean and hard punches so he won... Aggressiveness is only a scoring criteria if it's effective... and if you're getting outpunched it's not.

Every tight fight was controversial about the decision and this was such!

Lackeos wrote:When we agree on who won and the judges gave it to the other guy, that's a robbery. When we disagree on who won and you say it's a robbery, you're being an asshole. You can't call it a robbery when real boxing fans don't agree on the score and the judges scored it exactly the same as some of the fans. Like seriously, almost half of the people in the RBR had the exact same score as all 3 of the judges, including me, and I assure you that I scored the fight objectively and completely sober.

x2. This robbery talk is BS

I think its fine to call it a robbery.... Even if you thought it was a close fight (I'd say it was competetive rather than close though) with lots of swing rounds and want to make an argument for a Ward win, the reality is that the judges were always going to give Ward the benefit of the doubt. The fact that people can retroactively make a case for a Ward win, doesnt mean the judges were acting impartically. In 99% of "close fights" the home/ marquee fighter gets the decision, this fight was no different. Its pretty clear that even if you legitmately think Ward deserved the win, it doesnt mean the judges were acting impartially and if they werent acting imparitally, then they werent doing their job. I can fully understand why people would call it a robbery.

All that aside, Kovalev won the fight.