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jezzamundo wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:My scorecard:

Round 1 - Kovalev 10-9 (10-9)
Round 2 - Kovalev 10-8 (20-17)
Round 3 - Ward 10-9 (29-27)
Round 4 - Kovalev 10-9 (39-36)
Round 5 - Ward 10-9 (48-46)
Round 6 - Kovalev 10-9 (58-55)
Round 7 - Ward 10-9 (67-65)
Round 8 - Ward 10-9 (76-75)
Round 9 - Ward 10-9 (85-85)
Round 10 - Kovalev 10-9 (95-94)
Round 11 - Ward 10-9 (104-104)
Round 12 - Even (114-114)

So, I scored the fight 114-114, a draw. I think there were 4 extremely close rounds - 3,5,6 and 12. I gave 2 of them to Ward, 1 to Kovalev and one even. If we divide those 4 extremely close rounds equally (2-2), Kovalev wins 114-113 on my card.

That's identical to my scorecard, except I thought Ward won the 12th, which gave him a 114-113 win for me.

Only difference on my card second time through is that Krusher's vaunted first round jab was the only thing he did the whole round. Ward won round 1.

115-112 Ward. It was not quite as clise as I thought first time around. The only thing that made it as close as it was is the one punch KD. Without it this fight was close but very clear for Ward, imo.

The difference between those who agree it was a close fight and those calling it a robbery is we would have discussed this fight like adults no matter who got the nod while the litter of b!tches squeaking like piglets would have made the discussion just as retarded as it has become by claiming that Krusher won every round but one or some other lame sh!t.

This isn't about Krusher fans. I wanted Krusher to win. He is one of my favorite fighters. This is about the eastern euro-centric crowd and the breitbart.com ilk accusing everyone else of what they themselves are guilty of.

It is political, on their part. Hatchling will be hatchling.

Tanzio wrote:I wanted Krusher to win.

Be honest.

Tanzio wrote: This was a clear Ward win. If not for the KD, it was very clear.

You used the same arguments 4 years ago defending the Bradley fiasco, even though it was pointed to you the overwhelming opinion among boxing experts of the contrary ( only 3 out of 125 for bradley).
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1656951

You ( and your many aliases) are trolling these boards with the obvious agenda of defending corruption in boxing.

We have grown to recognize your idiotic verbal diarrhea, and nobody's falling for it anymore.

crow wrote:

Tanzio wrote: This was a clear Ward win. If not for the KD, it was very clear.

You used the same arguments 4 years ago defending the Bradley fiasco, even though it was pointed to you the overwhelming opinion among boxing experts of the contrary ( only 3 out of 125 for bradley).
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1656951

You ( and your many aliases) are trolling these boards with the obvious agenda of defending corruption in boxing.

We have grown to recognize your idiotic verbal diarrhea, and nobody's falling for it anymore.

Blackturd, name one alias. This should be fun.

Yes (again) I had Bradley by a round. Most importantly, It was not a robbery. Pac was too busy watching the NBA playoffs to even show up to the ring in a timely manner. He gave away rounds and got what he deserved.

When was the last time you scored a fight realtime on the RBR croward?

fightscorecollector wrote:here is 60 press scores i collected for talking boxing , 73% of media scored for Kovalev , my card read 115-112 , i just cant see how you can award Ward anymore than 5 rounds

http://talkingboxing.co.uk/we-go-to-the ... lev-v-ward

Watch the fight and try and count how many punch's Kovalev missed the 2nd half of the fight by the time the they got by round 6 the Krusher couldn't find Ward and by the way turn the volume down because they weren't watching lots of the time or even commenting when Ward was landing

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

fightscorecollector wrote:here is 60 press scores i collected for talking boxing , 73% of media scored for Kovalev , my card read 115-112 , i just cant see how you can award Ward anymore than 5 rounds

http://talkingboxing.co.uk/we-go-to-the ... lev-v-ward

Watch the fight and try and count how many punch's Kovalev missed the 2nd half of the fight by the time the they got by round 6 the Krusher couldn't find Ward and by the way turn the volume down because they weren't watching lots of the time or even commenting when Ward was landing

Did this jab land?

Ricky_ wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

fightscorecollector wrote:here is 60 press scores i collected for talking boxing , 73% of media scored for Kovalev , my card read 115-112 , i just cant see how you can award Ward anymore than 5 rounds

http://talkingboxing.co.uk/we-go-to-the ... lev-v-ward

Watch the fight and try and count how many punch's Kovalev missed the 2nd half of the fight by the time the they got by round 6 the Krusher couldn't find Ward and by the way turn the volume down because they weren't watching lots of the time or even commenting when Ward was landing

Did this jab land?

That's what I have already said he abandoned his excellent jab by round 6 the worst thing that happened for the Krusher was the knock down because all he did was look for that right hand the second half of the fight and decided he didn't need his jab BIG mistake Ward last lost a fight when he was a minor know Kovalev knows why............ dumb tactics against a master tactician will come back and bite your ass sooner or later

I will be doing the Lomachenko vs Walters fight on sat night , who we all got for this one?

fightscorecollector wrote:i watched on HBO and thought that Kellerman was very biased with Ward. Lampley kept disagreeing with him , Jones scored for Kovalev and Lederman had it 116-111 Kovalev

OMG, thank you. My buddies and I almost turned the sound off during that fight with Kellerman's ridiculous comments. One round, I forget which it was, Kellerman commented how Ward was imposing his will and winning the round and at the end of the round, Ward got credit for throwing like 4 punches.

Kellerman had an agenda that night and it was clear from the start. I really wish that these commentators would keep their feelings out of it and just report what they are seeing. Are they more interested in getting credit for predicting outcomes that they have to try to shape our opinions? Are they too friendly with these boxers? Or is it money related and HBO wanting to build brands for boxers? I don't know. It was disgusting though last weekend.

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Ward 115-112 on second viewing with no loud Russians in the room and no sound. Ward won the clearer rounds, with the exception of round 2. Ward landed cleaner. Ward out boxed him. Ward won that fight. It was close but clear, and there is no way in hell that Krusher got robbed.

Ward is P4P #1

1. Ward fairly close
2. 10-8 Krusher
3. Ward
4. Krusher very close
5. Ward close
6. krusher close
7. Ward
8. Ward fairly close
9. Ward
10. Krusher very close
11. Ward
12. Ward

Lederman should be retired. RJJ needs his eyes checked. This was a clear Ward win. If not for the KD, it was very clear. It won't be as close next time.

Tanzidiot

You can squeal until the day you die and Ward will still have that W, deservedly.

That win is forever tarnished like Tim Bradley's win over Manny. Bradley can't go around bragging that he beat Manny can he? You're a dope to think that Ward will be credited fully for this victory. Read some articles and feedback instead of yapping rubbish.

8 of the 12 rounds were also decided by 1 or 2 shots landed

caldo2025 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Tanzidiot

You can squeal until the day you die and Ward will still have that W, deservedly.

That win is forever tarnished like Tim Bradley's win over Manny. Bradley can't go around bragging that he beat Manny can he? You're a dope to think that Ward will be credited fully for this victory. Read some articles and feedback instead of yapping rubbish.

Yapping rubbish? You mean like you claiming that Wlad will go down as one of the worst HW champions of all time?

That is possibly the most braindead statement I have ever read on this board.

I have an opinion on both Krusher v Ward and Ramming Speed v Pac 1. I will argue my position on what I saw with any and all who choose to engage.

People have opinions on a lot of controversial fights over the history of boxing. People are of the opinion tha Ali lost to Norton, that Holmes defeated Spinks (both times). That Sweet Pea whitewashed JCC. That Campillo and Herrera have been robbed multiple times.

When we are all dead and all of the controversial fights are left to the record books, Bradley will be 1-2 v Pac and Ward will have a W next to his name for his first fight with Krusher. Most importantly, precious few people will give a rat's ass.

Tanzio wrote: I have an opinion on both Krusher v Ward and Ramming Speed v Pac 1. I will argue my position on what I saw with any and all who choose to engage.

Tell then everybody here how you scored that 5th round.

crow wrote:

Tanzio wrote: I have an opinion on both Krusher v Ward and Ramming Speed v Pac 1. I will argue my position on what I saw with any and all who choose to engage.

Tell then everybody here how you scored that 5th round.

Right after you describe your feelings, in detail, when JMM executed The Planquiao

fightscorecollector wrote:here is 60 press scores i collected for talking boxing , 73% of media scored for Kovalev , my card read 115-112 , i just cant see how you can award Ward anymore than 5 rounds

http://talkingboxing.co.uk/we-go-to-the ... lev-v-ward

I had Ward winning 4 rounds 116-111

Tanzio wrote:Lederman should be retired.

Doesn't matter.
He already trained 60% of our generation to score fights wrong.

Half the people here are scoring fights based on supposed damage.
Telling me that pro fights is based on damage.

This is the new Floyd Mayweather vs Jose Luis Castillo fight for me. Still to this day I won't acknowledge that Floyd beat Castillo that night because he didn't. I'll never acknowledge that Ward beat Kovalev either, because he didn't.

He got the decision. He's credited with the official win. So I'm sure he doesn't care what I think, but I'm not gonna give a guy credit for a win he didn't actually earn. If I'd had it scored 114-113 Kovalev I might feel different, but I had it clear for Kovalev, and so did the majority of everyone else.

Kovalev is the more skilled operator of the two.

EAST SIDE BOXING POLL

74% think Kovalev was robbed

http://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/po ... ry.576706/

I think people stopped scoring the fight, and began to look for the eventual KO.
Examples are people saying Ward looked shaky and scared.
The only thing he stopped doing was trying to counter the jab with right hands.
That's it. Ward did EVERYTHING else. Including winging wild left hooks.

Dwyer tells it like it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzKpw-6 ... e=youtu.be

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

Even suprematist Dwyer cannot defend this farce.

This is getting even more and more entertaining by the hours.

I had 114-113 to Kovalev on my first watch, the 8th round I scored to Kovalev by a single scoring punch, watching it a second time I think I missed two Ward shots so the re-run was 114-113 Ward ...the fight was very close.

Kovalev won the first 4 rounds very easily and by big margins. I can't understand anyone giving the 3rd to Ward.

5th was clearly Ward. 6th was clearly Kovalev.

Second half of the fight I think Ward just edged the rounds. The 8th and 12th were literally one punch apart.

Was no robbery though, 114-113 either way was a bout right. I don't think it was possible for Ward to ever get 115 points, he lost six points (10-8 2nd rd) in the first 6 rounds so 114 was his max.

Lennox wrote:I had 114-113 to Kovalev on my first watch, the 8th round I scored to Kovalev by a single scoring punch, watching it a second time I think I missed two Ward shots so the re-run was 114-113 Ward ...the fight was very close.

Kovalev won the first 4 rounds very easily and by big margins. I can't understand anyone giving the 3rd to Ward.

5th was clearly Ward. 6th was clearly Kovalev.

Second half of the fight I think Ward just edged the rounds. The 8th and 12th were literally one punch apart.

Was no robbery though, 114-113 either way was a bout right. I don't think it was possible for Ward to ever get 115 points, he lost six points (10-8 2nd rd) in the first 6 rounds so 114 was his max.

Your explanation still adds up to 114-113 Krusher, unless you gave Ward round 10. You know, the one where Krusher so thoroughly dominated Ward (by one punch).

Did you score 10 for Ward? Think carefully before answering, because the board's brain sturgeons are on the edge of their sofa beds with spammed fake twitter accounts, youtube vids, meticulously prepared unscientific polls, and (most importantly) cartoons and emoticons to present as evidence to back their scholarly claims that your opinion is dishonest and you are misguided by your support for Ward.

Take your time. This could be a life changing decision on your part lmao