here we go again

[beduff]

trust me when i say i do

[BubiScholz]

trust me when i say i do

thanks for your outing

[jamesmcdonnell]

i didn´t offfend anybody personally. that´s the difference. and i can´t hear this ottke-shit anymore. the hole world hates him. only 10 millions or more germans don´t. but i tell you another thing i told you months ago. the main reaso ottke is hated is because germans are hated. and so here they hate Beyer, Michalczewski, Ulrich and the Klitschkos and whoever boxes in germany.

and i give you one reason for it: jealousy. it´s the same because the world hates M.Schumacher. he is the best and is german, he must be hated.

Ottke is hated because he has been given verdicts which he shouldn't have been given.

Not really too fussed about Bayer, M'ski, Ulrich or the Klitschkos or M Schumacher. In fact, it's good to see the most talented driver winning as it is not always the most talented who are the most succesful - Sven Ottke being an excellent example of this.

The reason Michael Schumaker is hated, is the same reason that a lot of people hated Steve Davis, Stephen Hendry, Pete Sampras, Manchester United. Consistent success is boring, people like to see change in sport, and if the same guy or team is at the top for ages it is boring.

The reason Ottke was hated was more complex. Not only was he one of the most boring fighters I've ever seen, (and I've got a tape which includes a lot of earlier fights too, so I don't want to hear anything about how exciting he used to be) who just wheeled backwards constantly in a circle flicking the jab out.

However, he also had several very dubious decisions, including his title winning effort when Charles Brewer was robbed blind.

Ottke is part of a whole clique of fighters moved by Sauerland who seem to have a very pally arrangement with the IBF, something stinks, and Ottke was at the heart of it all. I did some digging into all this a few months back, and the more you dig, the deeper and deeper you find the shit goes.

It seems he was so popular in Germany, maybe because they just liked success, because there is nothing really to admire about him except his level of success.

I find it bizzarre that nobody in Germany I've spoken to, seems willing accept the fact that Ottke was gifted several decisions, anyone who watched some of the controversial fights, would have to admit that at least one of them was dodgy.

[Chris the fighter]

Getting back on topic I admire Harrison for bucking the system for trying
to do things by himself and for putting two fingers up to anybody who
tries to tell him to do it the way "everybody else as done" by signing up to a Warren/Hearn etc. Probelm is the system has conspired to make him fail
which is a shame. Look he's probably a better talker then fighter but I still think he will beat Skelton if he whips himself into the best shape possible and use all his skills if that happens I go for an Aud victory in the late rounds.

[BubiScholz]

james, IMO he lost vs Larsen. Reid was maybe a draw, but an awful fight. ask the referee, the judges or Sauerland. watch the sturm-fight. all judges are from nevada........

he is popular because he stayed "normal" he always has his feet on the ground, people can identify with him. he is more popular in east germany, maybe because he was boxing like Maske, the superhero of the east germans.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yes I saw the fight with Larsen, that was another dreadful fight, and an example of how tedious Ottke's style was.

Ottke boxes like an amateur, all jab and little else, so bloody boring, and every time an opponent lands a shot, he spends the next 20 seconds backpedalling around the ring.

I honestly think that with an impartial referee who didn't constantly break the action to issue warnings for non-existent infractions, Reid would knocked Ottke out. Ottke had virtually nothing to offer, his reflexes were gone by that point, and he had no firepower to keep Reid off. Reid would have pummelled him shitless.

[BubiScholz]

Yes I saw the fight with Larsen, that was another dreadful fight, and an example of how tedious Ottke's style was.

Ottke boxes like an amateur, all jab and little else, so bloody boring, and every time an opponent lands a shot, he spends the next 20 seconds backpedalling around the ring.

I honestly think that with an impartial referee who didn't constantly break the action to issue warnings for non-existent infractions, Reid would knocked Ottke out. Ottke had virtually nothing to offer, his reflexes were gone by that point, and he had no firepower to keep Reid off. Reid would have pummelled him shitless.

i agree with you regarding his boxing style. most fights were boring. but i think he was never knocked down. i only can remember 2 good fights, vs. Krajnc and Mitchell.

[nickd]

i didn´t offfend anybody personally. that´s the difference. and i can´t hear this ottke-shit anymore. the hole world hates him. only 10 millions or more germans don´t. but i tell you another thing i told you months ago. the main reaso ottke is hated is because germans are hated. and so here they hate Beyer, Michalczewski, Ulrich and the Klitschkos and whoever boxes in germany.

and i give you one reason for it: jealousy. it´s the same because the world hates M.Schumacher. he is the best and is german, he must be hated.

dont mention the war. ;) ;)

i don´t give a fornicate on the war. me and my father weren´t involved.

That was a joke by the way. Cant remember where it came from originally anyone enlighten me? Was it on the telly??!!

[nickd]

dont mention the war. ;) ;)

i don´t give a fornicate on the war. me and my father weren´t involved.

That was a joke by the way. Cant remember where it came from originally anyone enlighten me? Was it on the telly??!!

And a crap one.

[dondada]

dont mention the war. ;) ;)

i don´t give a fornicate on the war. me and my father weren´t involved.

That was a joke by the way. Cant remember where it came from originally anyone enlighten me? Was it on the telly??!!

Fawlty Towers, FFS.

[Sweet P]

Yes I saw the fight with Larsen, that was another dreadful fight, and an example of how tedious Ottke's style was.

Ottke boxes like an amateur, all jab and little else, so bloody boring, and every time an opponent lands a shot, he spends the next 20 seconds backpedalling around the ring.

I honestly think that with an impartial referee who didn't constantly break the action to issue warnings for non-existent infractions, Reid would knocked Ottke out. Ottke had virtually nothing to offer, his reflexes were gone by that point, and he had no firepower to keep Reid off. Reid would have pummelled him shitless.

I think that you lot are being a bit hard on Ottke at least he fought the best in his division and controversial or not he still won. The same can't be said for Calzaghe or Hatton who are made out to be champions and neither has had a legit belt or beaten a good fighter in his prime.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well, there was one fighter Ottke definetly avoided, and that's Calzaghe. Although Calzaghe gets a lot of stick, I do believe that Ottke wanted no part of Calzaghe whatsoever. It was the one fight which would have really validated the Super Middleweight division, and sadly it never happened.

Yes, Ottke did face most of the men in the division, but some of those defences were extremely dubious, and it annoys me when you have a champion whose record looks impressive, when in fact many of their victories were heavily tainted. I am just glad he has retired.

[Kilburn]

Calzaghe is one fighter who I'm sure would not have stood for any nonsense from the referee against Ottke. He'd probably have ended up DQ'd but only after dishing out some pain.

[Freiheit]

It seems he was so popular in Germany, maybe because they just liked success, because there is nothing really to admire about him except his level of success.

I find it bizzarre that nobody in Germany I've spoken to, seems willing accept the fact that Ottke was gifted several decisions, anyone who watched some of the controversial fights, would have to admit that at least one of them was dodgy.

If you got to the german speaking forum you will see that they are just as critical of their own fighters as you brits are of your own.

Here in Denmark we have only had 1 prober world champ the last 80-90 years, Johnny Bredahl, but Bredahl is not very exciting if I have to be honest but because he is the only champ we like him mush more than if we had 10 champs, its probably the same thing with Ottke, german born and held a prober title.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well maybe you are right, however I can only base it on the German's I've spoken to, who have always leapt to Ottke's defence.

[Kilburn]

I've always liked to watch Johnny Bredahl. He's got bags of talent.

[Freiheit]

I've always liked to watch Johnny Bredahl. He's got bags of talent.

No doubt about that and its quite impressive that he has become a champ so late in his career when you also think of that he got a sick son that he know is going to die within a few years. This is also the reason why Bredahl hasnt boxed in Japan in his last couple of defenses eventhough TEIKEN promotions had options for his first 3 defenses. Mr Hnda, chief on TEIKEN understand that Bredahl cant travel of a long time because of the son and he has therefore waived his rights for the options.