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It wasn't a robbery. It wasn't a disgrace. It was a lose fight and Ward won by a point. The judges thought that and so did I.

crusader wrote:Maybe each time you watch it you'll get closer to seeing that Ward stoppage you predicted

What does my prediction have to do with it? I was rooting for a Krusher stoppage and stated as much prior to the fight. I thought that was about to happen between rounds 2 and 3, and I stated as much in the CS RBR.

I thought Ward actually might stop Krusher in round 10 during the fight but the Russian showed great heart and came back to shade that round.

The big difference between my first and second viewing was that I realized that the commentating gave far too much credit to Krusher's excellent jab. Ward shaded round 1 with the sound down for me.

I'm just commenting on you seeing the bout more in Ward's favour the more you watch, which incidentally gets you closer to your prediction of Ward turning in a dominant result.

He wasn't close to stopping Kovalev in the 10th (the round you predicted he would), just as he wasn't close to stopping people like Green, Brand, Miranda, or Rodriguez. You also seem to be trying to defend the judges' scores in that round (I gave it to Krusher, but...), though I can't see any fair basis for thinking that Ward did more than Kov, unless failed bolos are to be given extra points.

I still can't get over how some people are adamant it was a robbery. It was an extremely close fight; more than half the rounds were virtually even and contained very little to separate the fighters.

I scored it 114-113 on the night for Ward. I haven't watched it back yet, but I can easily imagine scoring it completely differently in favour of either fighter depending on what I was looking out for. Fwiw, I'm British so have no bias in terms of nationality, I predicted a Ward points win but was rooting for Kovalev.

It would be much more preferable if we could only use words like 'robbery' for the many fights that genuinely deserve the term.

man wrote: i for one "felt" like kovalev won. to
me he was clearly the stronger, more
confident man and overall more in
control. and still, there were close
rounds, and one close round can
erase the point from the knock down.

i took two things from this: kovalev is
even better than i had expected. to
see ward of all people being hit so
clean and effective took me by real
surprise.

but on the other hand ward really got
his act together after quite a bad start
and managed to be competitive against
a puncher he could not outbox, nor
outsmart.

If you have 3 American judges, an American referee, an American venue, a partisan American crowd, and 4 American commentators... I just don't think you're going to get a fair result, or a fair call of the action for the viewers.. It's not right to stack the deck like that...especially if all 3 judges know Ward needs the 10th round to win on their card, and they all give it to him...when all 4 American commentators give the 10th round to Kovalev and they generally generally agree Kovalev did more and won the fight... at least Harold Lederman and Roy Jones said Kovalev won in no uncertain terms -- and Jim Lampley suggested Kovalev's being a Russian with 3 American judges and a partisan American crowd skewed the outcome... and Max Kellerman said "It's reasonable to for Kovalev to think he was robbed" and told Ward, "You seemed surprised when the verdict was announced" and Ward did seem surprised.. He was shocked for a second -- like the shocked look on Carl Froch's face when he heard the two 115-113 scores and put his hands in the air like "Could I possibly have won it?"

For me, the aggressor... the combatant who hurt his opponent more... who carried the fight more... who chased his opponent around the ring more... who used his head illegally less... who landed more total punches in the fight and in more rounds... who scored the only knockdown... and who wasn't beaten up facially as much... should be the winner.

Boxerbeetle wrote:I still can't get over how some people are adamant it was a robbery. It was an extremely close fight; more than half the rounds were virtually even and contained very little to separate the fighters.

I scored it 114-113 on the night for Ward. I haven't watched it back yet, but I can easily imagine scoring it completely differently in favour of either fighter depending on what I was looking out for. Fwiw, I'm British so have no bias in terms of nationality, I predicted a Ward points win but was rooting for Kovalev.

It would be much more preferable if we could only use words like 'robbery' for the many fights that genuinely deserve the term.

I wish boxrec had a like button

I think my last post here disappeared. Anyway, I shall sum it up:

Every honest person scored round 10 for Kovalev. All 3 Las Vegas judges scored it for Ward. Any questions?

x2x wrote:I think my last post here disappeared. Anyway, I shall sum it up:

Every honest person scored round 10 for Kovalev. All 3 Las Vegas judges scored it for Ward. Any questions?

Still butthurt, eh?

Kalan wrote:

man wrote: i for one "felt" like kovalev won. to
me he was clearly the stronger, more
confident man and overall more in
control. and still, there were close
rounds, and one close round can
erase the point from the knock down.

i took two things from this: kovalev is
even better than i had expected. to
see ward of all people being hit so
clean and effective took me by real
surprise.

but on the other hand ward really got
his act together after quite a bad start
and managed to be competitive against
a puncher he could not outbox, nor
outsmart.

If you have 3 American judges, an American referee, an American venue, a partisan American crowd, and 4 American commentators... I just don't think you're going to get a fair result, or a fair call of the action for the viewers.. It's not right to stack the deck like that...

agreed.

man wrote:

Kalan wrote:

man wrote: i for one "felt" like kovalev won. to
me he was clearly the stronger, more
confident man and overall more in
control. and still, there were close
rounds, and one close round can
erase the point from the knock down.

i took two things from this: kovalev is
even better than i had expected. to
see ward of all people being hit so
clean and effective took me by real
surprise.

but on the other hand ward really got
his act together after quite a bad start
and managed to be competitive against
a puncher he could not outbox, nor
outsmart.

If you have 3 American judges, an American referee, an American venue, a partisan American crowd, and 4 American commentators... I just don't think you're going to get a fair result, or a fair call of the action for the viewers.. It's not right to stack the deck like that...

agreed.

You get what you negotiate.

Tanzio wrote:

man wrote:

Kalan wrote:
If you have 3 American judges, an American referee, an American venue, a partisan American crowd, and 4 American commentators... I just don't think you're going to get a fair result, or a fair call of the action for the viewers.. It's not right to stack the deck like that...

agreed.

You get what you negotiate.

Yep, Duva clearly screwed up AGAIN.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

man wrote: agreed.

You get what you negotiate.

Yep, Duva clearly screwed up AGAIN.

How about that, we agree on something.