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nitro5912 wrote:It will be whatever the capacity the license allows.

Last time it was the moving of people after the fight which forced it down. So Eddie will have to bring it all forward to get close to the 90000 capacity.

Football matches are finished by 10pm latest. The froch fight was just starting then.

They will lose more money in pissed up last minute buys than they gain in extra £30 ticket sales. Loads of £30 tickets were still available for the Froch fight as part of coach deals so technically there wasn't 80,000 there.

mickey1975 wrote:

nitro5912 wrote:It will be whatever the capacity the license allows.

Last time it was the moving of people after the fight which forced it down. So Eddie will have to bring it all forward to get close to the 90000 capacity.

Football matches are finished by 10pm latest. The froch fight was just starting then.

They will lose more money in pissed up last minute buys than they gain in extra £30 ticket sales. Loads of £30 tickets were still available for the Froch fight as part of coach deals so technically there wasn't 80,000 there.

Tbf I had level 1 seats and it was an,OK view. But not great.

I've watched football from the top tier at Wembley and its horrendous so boxing must be more so.

If this is at Wembley I doubt I'd be able to get many takers on tickets, but you'll still see 75-80k there

mickey1975 wrote:

chrisnew86 wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:
On his own Wlad couldn't but Joshua is comfortably selling out the biggest arenas going in fights that are pretty meaningless. His profile is bigger than Froch was, it's the marquee division. It'll do miles more than 40k.

I can accept completely the hype is OTT about Joshua's ability. But there's no doubt he can sell.

Next week isn't sold out, nor was his last fight at the O2. About 25% end up on Stubhub and not all of them get sold, it's all bollox.

Totally different fights. Wlad sells out in minutes. Guaranteed.

Your probably right mate

AJ Brezeale didn't sell out

Wlad is known to the causals as the guy who had 2 boring fights with Haye and Fury, it won't even come close to 80k. 50 max.

emallini wrote:Wlad is known to the causals as the guy who had 2 boring fights with Haye and Fury, it won't even come close to 80k. 50 max.

But AJ is The Humble Destroyer, Hate and Fury fought passively, casuals will want to watch AJ wipe the floor with Klit in two rounds, I think they will go for it

emallini wrote:Wlad is known to the causals as the guy who had 2 boring fights with Haye and Fury, it won't even come close to 80k. 50 max.

It's not really about Wlad though. Joshua is known to the casuals as the guy who stops everyone and this is his biggest fight by miles. It won't be as big as him vs Haye, (who is legitimately huge in his own right), or Fury, (who sells like shit but would sell on a promotion which would basically be advertised as 'cough up to see Tyson Fury get battered'), but it'll still be very big.

In terms of how the Molina fight is selling, to repeat, all tier 2 are sold out and all tier 1 bar one section are either sold out or available as single ticket. People may say 'well, they're on Stubhub and the like' but ultimately people don't buy them to stick on Stubhub to go unsold and then chucked.

emallini wrote:Wlad is known to the causals as the guy who had 2 boring fights with Haye and Fury

Because both Fury and Haye ran. AJ not going to run, thats for sure.

Ive been doing very detailed marketing in the last fortnight on a boxing product and from our findings Joshuas's popularity is only a fraction of Ricky Hattons and approximately only half of Carl Froch's. He is very popular though. Just not in their league.

It seems it me that a lot of people like Anthony Joshua events, but he doesn't actually have that many fans. If that makes sense.

So I don't think he could suffer the defeats Froch or in particular Hattin did and still be a massive draw.

Regarding this fight, it's definitely not a true sell out as fighters like Dillian Whyte are advertising even tonight, less than a week away and as chief support, that he has tickets to sell and to get in contact ...

Maxsplit wrote:Ive been doing very detailed marketing in the last fortnight on a boxing product and from our findings Joshuas's popularity is only a fraction of Ricky Hattons and approximately only half of Carl Froch's. He is very popular though. Just not in their league.

Any more detail on this? I mean, Froch was very popular at the end of his career, but the fights against Bute and Mack, (after which he was only three fights away from his career being over) were only big enough for the 9/10k Nottingham Arena and both only broadcast on standard Sky Sports.

dirk2686 wrote:

Maxsplit wrote:Ive been doing very detailed marketing in the last fortnight on a boxing product and from our findings Joshuas's popularity is only a fraction of Ricky Hattons and approximately only half of Carl Froch's. He is very popular though. Just not in their league.

Any more detail on this? I mean, Froch was very popular at the end of his career, but the fights against Bute and Mack, (after which he was only three fights away from his career being over) were only big enough for the 9/10k Nottingham Arena and both only broadcast on standard Sky Sports.

As I said, Joshua is a draw ... But doesn't have anywhere the number of their fans.

I guess both Froch and Hatton built fan bases the traditional way, whereas Joshua jumped straight from journeymen to PPV. His last non PPV fight was Gary Cornish.

Kind of like winning X Factor straight from being a bedroom performer rather than having slowly built a fanbase via 100s of the toilet gigs, support tours etc.

There doesn't appear to be any hardcore Joshua fans from our research. So I imagine, if for example, he was to fight Wilder in the USA for a unification there would be very few travelling to support in contrast to Ricky Hattin n taking 30,000 fans to Vegas.

Which is not what we were expecting.

Maxsplit wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:

Maxsplit wrote:Ive been doing very detailed marketing in the last fortnight on a boxing product and from our findings Joshuas's popularity is only a fraction of Ricky Hattons and approximately only half of Carl Froch's. He is very popular though. Just not in their league.

Any more detail on this? I mean, Froch was very popular at the end of his career, but the fights against Bute and Mack, (after which he was only three fights away from his career being over) were only big enough for the 9/10k Nottingham Arena and both only broadcast on standard Sky Sports.

As I said, Joshua is a draw ... But doesn't have anywhere the number of their fans.

I guess both Froch and Hatton built fan bases the traditional way, whereas Joshua jumped straight from journeymen to PPV. His last non PPV fight was Gary Cornish.

Kind of like winning X Factor straight from being a bedroom performer rather than having slowly built a fanbase via 100s of the toilet gigs, support tours etc.

There doesn't appear to be any hardcore Joshua fans from our research. So I imagine, if for example, he was to fight Wilder in the USA for a unification there would be very few travelling to support in contrast to Ricky Hattin n taking 30,000 fans to Vegas.

Which is not what we were expecting.

What is your research? No doubt that he'd not get as many followers to Vegas as Hatton, but Froch basically got a handful to see him fight Ward.

I don't really get how you can Joshua is half as popular as Froch. Under what sort of metric?

dirk2686 wrote:

Maxsplit wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:
Any more detail on this? I mean, Froch was very popular at the end of his career, but the fights against Bute and Mack, (after which he was only three fights away from his career being over) were only big enough for the 9/10k Nottingham Arena and both only broadcast on standard Sky Sports.

As I said, Joshua is a draw ... But doesn't have anywhere the number of their fans.

I guess both Froch and Hatton built fan bases the traditional way, whereas Joshua jumped straight from journeymen to PPV. His last non PPV fight was Gary Cornish.

Kind of like winning X Factor straight from being a bedroom performer rather than having slowly built a fanbase via 100s of the toilet gigs, support tours etc.

There doesn't appear to be any hardcore Joshua fans from our research. So I imagine, if for example, he was to fight Wilder in the USA for a unification there would be very few travelling to support in contrast to Ricky Hattin n taking 30,000 fans to Vegas.

Which is not what we were expecting.

What is your research? No doubt that he'd not get as many followers to Vegas as Hatton, but Froch basically got a handful to see him fight Ward.

I don't really get how you can Joshua is half as popular as Froch. Under what sort of metric?

Targeted, sponsored Facebook, Instagram advertising through a media buying company targetting exactly the same demographics with the same budget for various individual boxers.

Hatton is off the scale. And Froch twice as popular and then some as Joshua in terms of cost per interaction, comments, shares, clicks, likes etc.

Considering Joshua is fighting in a PPV next weekend and Froch hasn't fought for 2 & 1/2 years it wasn't what we were expecting.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

chad wrote:With the right undercard it'll be a sell out

Super Middleweight Carl Froch 167½ 32 2 0 W George Groves 166¼ 19 1 0 TKO 8/12
IBF World super middleweight title
WBA World super middleweight title

Lightweight Kevin Mitchell 134½ 37 2 0 W Ghislain Maduma 134¾ 16 0 0 TKO 11/12

Super Middleweight James DeGale 167½ 18 1 0 W Brandon Gonzales 167½ 18 0 1 TKO 4/12

Bantamweight Jamie McDonnell 117½ 23 2 1 W Tabtimdaeng Na Rachawat 117 52 2 0 TKO 10/12
vacant WBA World bantamweight title

Heavyweight Anthony Joshua 236 5 0 0 W Matt Legg 227½ 7 2 0 KO 1/6

Super Featherweight Martin Joseph Ward 130 9 0 0 D Ian Bailey 129¼ 11 16 0 TD 1/4

Super Bantamweight Gamal Yafai 123½ 1 0 0 W Jack Heath 125¾ 3 5 0 TKO 1/4

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Not the best undercard. The Froch-Groves fight drew 80,000 alone

Did Froch really fight Groves in front of 80,000 people?!

Even casuals are getting sick of AJ fighting pies

Steve Bunce has alluded to a few issues in Joshua's mindset in his column today.

Wlad signs for the fight and cancels through injury a week or 2 before the fight and they bring in a Molinaesque opponent to fight for the vacant titles is more likely

Maxsplit wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:

Maxsplit wrote:
As I said, Joshua is a draw ... But doesn't have anywhere the number of their fans.

I guess both Froch and Hatton built fan bases the traditional way, whereas Joshua jumped straight from journeymen to PPV. His last non PPV fight was Gary Cornish.

Kind of like winning X Factor straight from being a bedroom performer rather than having slowly built a fanbase via 100s of the toilet gigs, support tours etc.

There doesn't appear to be any hardcore Joshua fans from our research. So I imagine, if for example, he was to fight Wilder in the USA for a unification there would be very few travelling to support in contrast to Ricky Hattin n taking 30,000 fans to Vegas.

Which is not what we were expecting.

What is your research? No doubt that he'd not get as many followers to Vegas as Hatton, but Froch basically got a handful to see him fight Ward.

I don't really get how you can Joshua is half as popular as Froch. Under what sort of metric?

Targeted, sponsored Facebook, Instagram advertising through a media buying company targetting exactly the same demographics with the same budget for various individual boxers.

Hatton is off the scale. And Froch twice as popular and then some as Joshua in terms of cost per interaction, comments, shares, clicks, likes etc.

Considering Joshua is fighting in a PPV next weekend and Froch hasn't fought for 2 & 1/2 years it wasn't what we were expecting.

Never trust the data ....

Maxsplit wrote:

dirk2686 wrote:

Maxsplit wrote:Ive been doing very detailed marketing in the last fortnight on a boxing product and from our findings Joshuas's popularity is only a fraction of Ricky Hattons and approximately only half of Carl Froch's. He is very popular though. Just not in their league.

Any more detail on this? I mean, Froch was very popular at the end of his career, but the fights against Bute and Mack, (after which he was only three fights away from his career being over) were only big enough for the 9/10k Nottingham Arena and both only broadcast on standard Sky Sports.

As I said, Joshua is a draw ... But doesn't have anywhere the number of their fans.

I guess both Froch and Hatton built fan bases the traditional way, whereas Joshua jumped straight from journeymen to PPV. His last non PPV fight was Gary Cornish.

Kind of like winning X Factor straight from being a bedroom performer rather than having slowly built a fanbase via 100s of the toilet gigs, support tours etc.

There doesn't appear to be any hardcore Joshua fans from our research. So I imagine, if for example, he was to fight Wilder in the USA for a unification there would be very few travelling to support in contrast to Ricky Hattin n taking 30,000 fans to Vegas.

Which is not what we were expecting.

Joshua seems to be part of this modern phenomenon of being an event that people want to be part of but they don't actually care about him or his career.

Joshua vs Klitschko set for April 29 at Wembley Stadium :

http://www.badlefthook.com/2016/12/5/13 ... ey-stadium