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Sagaroth wrote:This is one of them :)...lucky ones

Rahman vs Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZu5v2JPuE

ginty wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

ginty wrote:
Looking at the floor and throwing a punch that lands is a lucky punch ,

I am going to assume that you are referring to Danny's gamechanger v Khan. If so, that was not lucky at all. Danny trained for that shot just as JMM trained for The Planquiao.

No I was referring to no particular fight ,you seem to be having an argument with yourself here

ValMar wrote:Does it exist ? Or we may speak about a myth ? Rahman vs Lewis 1 ? JMM vs Pacquiao 4 ? Prescot vs Khan ?

Just excuse ? Or not ?

Enlightened-One wrote:Lucky punches almost certainly exist.

Sagaroth wrote:This is one of them :)...lucky ones

Rahman vs Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZu5v2JPuE

Boxing Writer wrote:

ValMar wrote:Does it exist ? Or we may speak about a myth ? Rahman vs Lewis 1 ? JMM vs Pacquiao 4 ? Prescot vs Khan ?

Just excuse ? Or not ?

No punch can be called lucky. One boxer has to throw a really good punch and his opponent has to make a mistake. It's not a luck for one fighter or bad luck for another one. The only case in which I'd consider KO punch to be "lucky" is if it would be landed in strange circumstances with external influence. Let's say, The Fan Man lands in the ring in Holyfield - Bowe fight on Holyfields back, which takes all Holyfield's attention, and Riddick Bowe throws the puch on defeneless Holyfield that knocks him out. That's the type of punch that I'd consider a "lucky punch".

Rahman - Lewis, JMM - Pac 4, Prescott - Khan? There were no luck in those fights. Just the good punches thrown by some guys and bad mistakes made by the others.

ginty wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

ginty wrote:
No I was referring to no particular fight ,you seem to be having an argument with yourself here

Not really. I still disagree with your assertion that landing a punch while looking at the floor is necessarily a lucky punch. Many shots in boxing are thrown to where your training and processing of your opponent's movement informs you that the target will be relative to your movement and timing. Often that does not entail your physical eyes being trained on the target.

But there has to be some luck involved for the boxer to be at that place to be hit ,he may be there he may not or what about when a fighter gets hit above the ear and gets discombobulated I doubt many fighters try to land there but it can do serious damage.

squiggy wrote:If lucky punches don't exist, that pretty well sets boxing apart from all other human endeavors.

Tanzio wrote:

ValMar wrote:I will try to explain what I meant. So, imagine match Klitschko vs Chambers, supposing the majority of posters had been watching this fight.
Klitschko was dominant....So, change the roles, and imagine that 20 seconds before the end of 12 round, Chambers landed properly, and KOd Klitschko. Would it be a lucky punch ? I can not answer this question, because of that, I made this topic.

A real example is what happened in Weaver v Big John Tate. Tate had an insurmountable lead. Team Weaver knew it and Weaver went full out for the KO. He succeeded, dramatically.

Was it luck? Not in my book, but I would be willing to compromise and agree that Mike made his own luck that night. It would not have worked v someone with a decent beard.

ginty wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

ginty wrote: But there has to be some luck involved for the boxer to be at that place to be hit ,he may be there he may not or what about when a fighter gets hit above the ear and gets discombobulated I doubt many fighters try to land there but it can do serious damage.

"There has to be some luck involved" in waking up in the morning, in not choking on your breakfast, in not getting in a fatal accident negotiating your way to work, in the Earth spinning through space at just the right speed not to be pulled into the Sun or flung into deep space. So, I suppose that you are correct that there is "some luck involved" in landing perfectly a punch that you have trained to throw for years and strategized how and when to throw it v your current opponent.

Afterall, we are lucky to have been born at all (whether you consider good or bad luck).

So you agree there are lucky punches.

Tanzio wrote:

ginty wrote:

Tanzio wrote: "There has to be some luck involved" in waking up in the morning, in not choking on your breakfast, in not getting in a fatal accident negotiating your way to work, in the Earth spinning through space at just the right speed not to be pulled into the Sun or flung into deep space. So, I suppose that you are correct that there is "some luck involved" in landing perfectly a punch that you have trained to throw for years and strategized how and when to throw it v your current opponent.

Afterall, we are lucky to have been born at all (whether you consider good or bad luck).

So you agree there are lucky punches.

I believe that boxing is one of the best examples of a profession where you make your own luck.

ValMar wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

ginty wrote: So you agree there are lucky punches.

I believe that boxing is one of the best examples of a profession where you make your own luck.

Judges/refs ??

Tanzio wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Tanzio wrote: I believe that boxing is one of the best examples of a profession where you make your own luck.

Judges/refs ??

We are talking punches on this thread.

Tony1244 wrote:

squiggy wrote:If lucky punches don't exist, that pretty well sets boxing apart from all other human endeavors.

Enlightened-One wrote:I don't even know why people are even attempting to dismiss the element of luck when random one-punch KO's occur.

For sure, they don't happen that often, but we've all seen one.

crusader wrote:What if I do? Is it not luck then? Boxers throw plenty of shots without expecting to land them anyway, even if that's their intention. Some shots are also thrown instincitvely, without planning or much realization that they're being thrown.

Again, boxing is not some special flower which is exempt from chance.