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Allen frustrated the life outta Whyte, this could be a long hard 8 rounds for the viewer to slog through.

Ortiz's carreer is going in reverse, fighting Bryant Jennings and Tony Thompson for the Iterim WBA world title, then Malik Scott for Intercontinental title and now an 8 rounder against Dave Allen. shoudnt it be other way round.
Anyway i hope they feed Dyllian Whyte to Ortiz next year.

Punchy Joe wrote:Ortiz's carreer is going in reverse, fighting Bryant Jennings and Tony Thompson for the Iterim WBA world title, then Malik Scott for Intercontinental title and now an 8 rounder against Dave Allen. shoudnt it be other way round.
Anyway i hope they feed Dyllian Whyte to Ortiz next year.

Maybe Ortiz's handlers know the score with him and won't match him too highly in anticipation of a big cash out fight for one of the titles .

He really didn't look good against Scott .

Punchy Joe wrote:Ortiz's carreer is going in reverse, fighting Bryant Jennings and Tony Thompson for the Iterim WBA world title, then Malik Scott for Intercontinental title and now an 8 rounder against Dave Allen. shoudnt it be other way round.

No.

Punchy Joe wrote:Ortiz's carreer is going in reverse, fighting Bryant Jennings and Tony Thompson for the Iterim WBA world title, then Malik Scott for Intercontinental title and now an 8 rounder against Dave Allen. shoudnt it be other way round.
Anyway i hope they feed Dyllian Whyte to Ortiz next year.

This process is purely exposure. When Matchroom signed Ortiz, Hearn said that there would be a few fights back to back, one in Monaco, and one in the UK, just to see who he is, get a little exposure, and then they'll target a progression fight. The fight after Allen will be the one to watch, it just depends where they'll go. He's rank number 1 in WBA, which it's likely that Joshua and Klitchko will fight out the super title. Maybe a final eliminator with Briggs? Then the winner meeting Joshua in the summer, or autumn? The paths for Joshua and Ortiz are written, they'll meet at some point in the next 12 months, it's just a case of when.

Horse wrote:

Punchy Joe wrote:Ortiz's carreer is going in reverse, fighting Bryant Jennings and Tony Thompson for the Iterim WBA world title, then Malik Scott for Intercontinental title and now an 8 rounder against Dave Allen. shoudnt it be other way round.

No.

It’s just that possibly the best heavyweight in the world is fighting a novice in Dave Allen, a fighter taylor made for Ortiz. Just doesn’t sit right with me that’s all, Allen is durable and could take a heck of a beating.

Punchy Joe wrote:

Horse wrote:

Punchy Joe wrote:Ortiz's carreer is going in reverse, fighting Bryant Jennings and Tony Thompson for the Iterim WBA world title, then Malik Scott for Intercontinental title and now an 8 rounder against Dave Allen. shoudnt it be other way round.

No.

It’s just that possibly the best heavyweight in the world is fighting a novice in Dave Allen, a fighter taylor made for Ortiz. Just doesn’t sit right with me that’s all, Allen is durable and could take a heck of a beating.

I agree with the principle but Ortiz can't be called possibly the best heavyweight in the world based on last time out.

sharpei_louis wrote:

Punchy Joe wrote:

Horse wrote:No.

It’s just that possibly the best heavyweight in the world is fighting a novice in Dave Allen, a fighter taylor made for Ortiz. Just doesn’t sit right with me that’s all, Allen is durable and could take a heck of a beating.

I agree with the principle but Ortiz can't be called possibly the best heavyweight in the world based on last time out.

Ortiz couldn't have been called the best Heavyweight in the world regardless because he hasn't done anything to prove it.

Tyson Fury is the best heavyweight in the world.

Horse wrote:Tyson Fury is the best heavyweight in the world.

No, though he could probably beat a lot of them in a Cocaine snorting contest.

Does it matter if he's the best or almost the best? The point is a serious world title contender should not be fighting someone both and limited and unexperienced as Dave Allen.

BitPlayer wrote:Does it matter if he's the best or almost the best? The point is a serious world title contender should not be fighting someone both and limited and unexperienced as Dave Allen.

They keep d*cking around with Luis Ortiz because they want him to get old enough not to be a serious threat to Anthony Joshua.

sharpei_louis wrote:

Punchy Joe wrote:

Horse wrote:No.

It’s just that possibly the best heavyweight in the world is fighting a novice in Dave Allen, a fighter taylor made for Ortiz. Just doesn’t sit right with me that’s all, Allen is durable and could take a heck of a beating.

I agree with the principle but Ortiz can't be called possibly the best heavyweight in the world based on last time out.

Hmmm i see what you're saying but I tend to think Ortiz is the best in the world due to his ability to fight in the inside and in close like no other HW can at the minute. Scott was more than hapy to lose every second of every round in order to avoid fighting up close with Ortiz.

Allen is a journeyman

Allen's going to win all 8 rounds

People are acting like they've never seen a mismatch before. There are worse mismatches than this most weeks in British rings - hot prospect against someone who has lost the last 29 fights etc.

It will be close to a miracle if Dave Allen can win, but he has a chance, a small chance. At least he'll give it a go.

sharpei_louis wrote:

Punchy Joe wrote:

Horse wrote:No.

It’s just that possibly the best heavyweight in the world is fighting a novice in Dave Allen, a fighter taylor made for Ortiz. Just doesn’t sit right with me that’s all, Allen is durable and could take a heck of a beating.

I agree with the principle but Ortiz can't be called possibly the best heavyweight in the world based on last time out.

Did you say the same after Tyson-Bonecrusher?

allen has clicked into journeyman mode, ill expect him to fight monthly from now to earn corn. i thought his going into the ingle gym to train for the whyte fight was the start of a new beginning but it was a false dawn. not sure where he trains now.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

sharpei_louis wrote:

Punchy Joe wrote:
It’s just that possibly the best heavyweight in the world is fighting a novice in Dave Allen, a fighter taylor made for Ortiz. Just doesn’t sit right with me that’s all, Allen is durable and could take a heck of a beating.

I agree with the principle but Ortiz can't be called possibly the best heavyweight in the world based on last time out.

Did you say the same after Tyson-Bonecrusher?

No, but that was based on Tyson's reputation, his having blown Berbick away and the lack of others with better claims at being the best heavyweight in the world at that time - I think there are a few around who have better arguments for being #1 than Ortiz.

sharpei_louis wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

sharpei_louis wrote:
I agree with the principle but Ortiz can't be called possibly the best heavyweight in the world based on last time out.

Did you say the same after Tyson-Bonecrusher?

No, but that was based on Tyson's reputation, his having blown Berbick away and the lack of others with better claims at being the best heavyweight in the world at that time - I think there are a few around who have better arguments for being #1 than Ortiz.

A few?

Killer Blow wrote:

sharpei_louis wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Did you say the same after Tyson-Bonecrusher?

No, but that was based on Tyson's reputation, his having blown Berbick away and the lack of others with better claims at being the best heavyweight in the world at that time - I think there are a few around who have better arguments for being #1 than Ortiz.

A few?

More like a handful.

Horse wrote:

Punchy Joe wrote:Ortiz's carreer is going in reverse, fighting Bryant Jennings and Tony Thompson for the Iterim WBA world title, then Malik Scott for Intercontinental title and now an 8 rounder against Dave Allen. shoudnt it be other way round.

No.

No?

Tanzio wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:

sharpei_louis wrote:
No, but that was based on Tyson's reputation, his having blown Berbick away and the lack of others with better claims at being the best heavyweight in the world at that time - I think there are a few around who have better arguments for being #1 than Ortiz.

A few?

More like a handful.

Enough.

Dave Allen might be having a go down Arnies gym.
Be a great move if he did. I get a sense that Arnie really looks after his fighters and Allen needs a arm round him and some guidance IMO.