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Enlightened-One wrote:

davie wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:I persistently claimed that the winner of the Parker-Ruiz bout would be coin toss... and I was ultimately proven right.

When I was praising Ruiz, others were unfairly judging a book by its cover and were expecting the Mexican-American to be dominated by Parker.

It seems that those that underrated Ruiz, by mocking his talents, have been silenced.

Does every post you write, start with a 'told you so' type statement?

No. That was me at my worst. I received a lot of stick (criticism) for my accurate evaluation of Ruiz before the Parker bout, but perhaps I should have refrained from boasting about it.

I made a mistake and acted like the trolls who criticised me harshly, which was wrong.

A thoroughly enlightened self-evaluation

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:116-113 Parker. Ruiz was better than I thought, Parker not as good. Either that or I'm still underestimating Ruiz. He really should try cruiser. Nice hand speed and chin, he just has no power at all

I wonder what his body fat percentage is -- could he really take off 55 lbs. to make cruiser?

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:116-113 Parker. Ruiz was better than I thought, Parker not as good. Either that or I'm still underestimating Ruiz. He really should try cruiser. Nice hand speed and chin, he just has no power at all

I wonder what his body fat percentage is -- could he really take off 55 lbs. to make cruiser?

Anyone can take 55lbs off (and he certainly has it to spare) it's more a case of would he.

My suspicion is he's too fond of last nights sponsor to go there

Enlightened-One wrote:I persistently claimed that the winner of the Parker-Ruiz bout would be coin toss... and I was ultimately proven right.

When I was praising Ruiz, others were unfairly judging a book by its cover and were expecting the Mexican-American to be dominated by Parker.

It seems that those that underrated Ruiz, by mocking his talents, have been silenced.

I APOLIGISE ANDY YOU WERE A VERY GOOD OPPONENT I HOPE YOU GET ANOTHER BIG FIGHT ASAP ........I WAS WRONG IN SAYING ITS A EASY FIGHT FOR PARKER.............CONGRATS JOE YOU DESEVED THE WIN MY SCORE....115/114 PARKER

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:116-113 Parker. Ruiz was better than I thought, Parker not as good. Either that or I'm still underestimating Ruiz. He really should try cruiser. Nice hand speed and chin, he just has no power at all

I wonder what his body fat percentage is -- could he really take off 55 lbs. to make cruiser?

He definitely looks like he's got at least 55 pounds of fat that could come off of that body.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:116-113 Parker. Ruiz was better than I thought, Parker not as good. Either that or I'm still underestimating Ruiz. He really should try cruiser. Nice hand speed and chin, he just has no power at all

I wonder what his body fat percentage is -- could he really take off 55 lbs. to make cruiser?

He has to be at least 30%. He might be able to make light heavy.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:116-113 Parker. Ruiz was better than I thought, Parker not as good. Either that or I'm still underestimating Ruiz. He really should try cruiser. Nice hand speed and chin, he just has no power at all

I wonder what his body fat percentage is -- could he really take off 55 lbs. to make cruiser?

He has to be at least 30%. He might be able to make light heavy.

He would lose a bit of muscle while he is doing Jenny Craigs to lose that fat but he could do it just like they do on that TV programme called the biggest loser

He doesn't have a lot of muscle.

If Ruiz lost the weight he might honestly be a light heavyweight or less. Arreola wasn't this fat and he campaigned at 178 as an amateur.

I thought Parker pretty clearly won. I wasn't nearly as entranced by Ruiz' version of aggression as others. I chalk the whole thing more to Parker coming in at a career heavy weight and looking soft moreso than Ruiz' inconsistent pressing and availability to be jabbed/hit to the mid section.

Grailer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

I wonder what his body fat percentage is -- could he really take off 55 lbs. to make cruiser?

He has to be at least 30%. He might be able to make light heavy.

He would lose a bit of muscle while he is doing Jenny Craigs to lose that fat but he could do it just like they do on that TV programme called the biggest loser

He wouldn't necessarily lose muscle - if he kept training and maintained an appropriate amount of protein in his diet. How a body looks at a certain body fat percentage can be quite deceiving - Ruiz looks obese at 255lb, but he may well have a relatively high proportion of subcutaneous fat, along with lose skin from weight loss.

Personally I'm the other way - at 6'1" and 170lb, I'm often referred to as thin or skinny, but when measured with a reasonably accurate machine, I had 19.4% body fat due to a relatively high proportion of visceral fat (fat around the organs, which doesn't make me look fat, but is more dangerous health-wise).

I'd say a 30% body fat percentage for Ruiz is probably the absolute lowest he could possibly be, so based on that, if he were to cut down to 10% body fat, which is a VERY low percentage for a heavyweight and difficult to maintain, he would weigh 204lb. 15% body fat is probably more realistic, which would have him at 217lb. While I completely agree with Ruiz losing weight to improve his stamina, I don't think moving down to cruiserweight would be a good idea for him. We know he can take a heavyweight punch, there's more money at heavyweight, his fast hands and combination punching are more of an advantage at heavyweight than they would be at cruiser and given his struggle with maintaining a healthy weight, I think aiming to get below 220-230lb would be a more realistic target.

Was Parker giving 100% ? The thing I didn't like about this fight is Parker had signed with Arum? So fighting an Arum stable fighter in Ruiz, it would be bad for Arum if one of the fighters came out damaged goods, that fight didn't really have the feel a World Title was on the line, your thoughts?

Can't see Ruiz fighting at anything other than heavyweight. Between fights he balloons out 15 to 20 kilograms above what he has been fight at.

GhostBoxing15 wrote:Was Parker giving 100% ? The thing I didn't like about this fight is Parker had signed with Arum? So fighting an Arum stable fighter in Ruiz, it would be bad for Arum if one of the fighters came out damaged goods, that fight didn't really have the feel a World Title was on the line, your thoughts?

Parker gave 100% but Ruiz definately put him under alot of pressure and made fight difficult.

Would Ruiz beable to force Anthony Joshua backwards for
12 rounds or does Ruiz get knocked out lol

Grailer wrote:

GhostBoxing15 wrote:Was Parker giving 100% ? The thing I didn't like about this fight is Parker had signed with Arum? So fighting an Arum stable fighter in Ruiz, it would be bad for Arum if one of the fighters came out damaged goods, that fight didn't really have the feel a World Title was on the line, your thoughts?

Parker gave 100% but Ruiz definately put him under alot of pressure and made fight difficult.

Would Ruiz beable to force Anthony Joshua backwards for
12 rounds or does Ruiz get knocked out lol

Parker couldn't hurt Ruiz, there's no guarantee Joshua could either. I think Ruiz would give Joshua a good fight (I think he's better than Whyte, Martin and Breazeale), but would most likely come up short.

Ruiz can't hurt any of them.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ruiz can't hurt any of them.

Ruiz isn't likely to stop any top 15 heavyweight, but he hits hard enough that no one is going to neglect defense and walk through his punches. His combination of chin, hand speed and combination punching make him a challenge for anyone at heavy now IMO.

Ruiz is built to get murdered by someone like Joshua. Wouldn't even be remotely competitive. Asking him to walk through those bombs to deliver slapping shots and slow Joshua before Ruiz himself runs out of gas (which is inevitable) is way, way too tall a task. At least a Tua or Peter, were they around, have the pop to make Joshua concerned.

zorndeslammes wrote:Ruiz is built to get murdered by someone like Joshua. Wouldn't even be remotely competitive. Asking him to walk through those bombs to deliver slapping shots and slow Joshua before Ruiz himself runs out of gas (which is inevitable) is way, way too tall a task. At least a Tua or Peter, were they around, have the pop to make Joshua concerned.

Perhaps, or perhaps Ruiz could take Joshua's punch and would outwork him on the inside. I'd favour Joshua, but he hasn't beaten anyone as good as Ruiz yet, so it's not a foregone conclusion. Let's see Joshua beat Wlad first.

Top NZ Officials says Ruiz was ripped off

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/top-nz- ... off-362616

Like a Boss wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:I think Ruiz is a bit better than we thought and Parker is still a young HW 24.

We all knock fighters for not looking perfect; I'm guilty of that too. And then we complain that they don't want to put their undefeated records on the line. Not everyone looks perfect in their early 20s. Ali didn't. The Klitschkos didn't. Louis got stopped by Schmeling and Marciano was very crude. So why should Parker look perfect at 24? Parker will get even better.

jezzamundo wrote:

zorndeslammes wrote:Ruiz is built to get murdered by someone like Joshua. Wouldn't even be remotely competitive. Asking him to walk through those bombs to deliver slapping shots and slow Joshua before Ruiz himself runs out of gas (which is inevitable) is way, way too tall a task. At least a Tua or Peter, were they around, have the pop to make Joshua concerned.

Perhaps, or perhaps Ruiz could take Joshua's punch and would outwork him on the inside. I'd favour Joshua, but he hasn't beaten anyone as good as Ruiz yet, so it's not a foregone conclusion. Let's see Joshua beat Wlad first.

Klitschko is on a different planet than Ruiz. If Joshua beats him (and I think he will), Andy Ruiz would need some dramatic wins to justify Joshua going backwards and fighting that lard ball.

I had it 115-113 parker. A lot of close rounds that could have gone either way. Just like ward/kovalev, I am not sure why everyone is up in arms.

jezzamundo wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ruiz can't hurt any of them.

Ruiz isn't likely to stop any top 15 heavyweight, but he hits hard enough that no one is going to neglect defense and walk through his punches. His combination of chin, hand speed and combination punching make him a challenge for anyone at heavy now IMO.

He's definitely much better than I gave him credit for. Perhaps he hits harder too.

zorndeslammes wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

zorndeslammes wrote:Ruiz is built to get murdered by someone like Joshua. Wouldn't even be remotely competitive. Asking him to walk through those bombs to deliver slapping shots and slow Joshua before Ruiz himself runs out of gas (which is inevitable) is way, way too tall a task. At least a Tua or Peter, were they around, have the pop to make Joshua concerned.

Perhaps, or perhaps Ruiz could take Joshua's punch and would outwork him on the inside. I'd favour Joshua, but he hasn't beaten anyone as good as Ruiz yet, so it's not a foregone conclusion. Let's see Joshua beat Wlad first.

Klitschko is on a different planet than Ruiz. If Joshua beats him (and I think he will), Andy Ruiz would need some dramatic wins to justify Joshua going backwards and fighting that lard ball.

If Ruiz can get himself a belt he is going to be huge in North America.

ValMar wrote:Ruiz, 116-112..........

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