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I've never been a fan of Whyte, I have never seen the hype around him. People say he rocked Joshua, so what, that wasn't a boxing match, it was an all out war, there was no defence in that fight.. Moving on, Whyte will be a domestic fighter at best, if not at least European level. That's it. He can break into how many rankings as he likes, last night's performance was not good. He isn't a good boxer. Chisora 'rocked' him many rounds, he was unlucky not to have been dropped. Had he been dropped, the decision would not have been his. I had it for Chisora by 2 rounds, but I think Chisora may have lost it when he was having a relaxed round every other round, because he was tired.

Top 10 HW's, in no particular order...

L. Ortiz
Wladimir Klit
A. Joshua
David Haye
J. Parker
D. Wilder
K. Pulev
Andy Ruiz Jr.
A. Povetkin
B. Stiverne

Ruthless-RKO wrote:I've never been a fan of Whyte, I have never seen the hype around him. People say he rocked Joshua, so what, that wasn't a boxing match, it was an all out war, there was no defence in that fight.. Moving on, Whyte will be a domestic fighter at best, if not at least European level. That's it. He can break into how many rankings as he likes, last night's performance was not good. He isn't a good boxer. Chisora 'rocked' him many rounds, he was unlucky not to have been dropped. Had he been dropped, the decision would not have been his. I had it for Chisora by 2 rounds, but I think Chisora may have lost it when he was having a relaxed round every other round, because he was tired.

Top 10 HW's, in no particular order...

L. Ortiz
Wladimir Klit
A. Joshua
David Haye
J. Parker
D. Wilder
K. Pulev
Andy Ruiz Jr.
J. Duhaupas
D. Chisora

I think Povetkin and/or Stiverne deserve top 10 before Chisora or Whyte. Based on Wlad's last performance, I would not even have him in the top 20 at this point.

Badhusker wrote:Based on Wlad's last performance, I would not even have him in the top 20 at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PetqKh7lr8g

To be honest, I am not sure about Whyte's position right now (I don't mean resume, it is a different issue), so, I opened this topic in order to see opinions of boxing fans and experts.

For me, he is bellow these HWs, obviously :
-Joshua
-Klitschko
-Haye
-Wilder
-Povetkin
-Ortiz
I didn't mention Fury, because I am not sure about his boxing future. Nowadays, he is not a active fighter. I hope he will be back soon.

The second group of HWs, they are probably better than Whyte :
-Parker
-Pulev
-Ruiz
-Stiverne

...And, there are more than 10 fighters who are very close with DW, I don't list them, it could be a long list.
So, in my opinion Whyte's position could be between #8 and #20. Anyway, I feel that his exciting style can attract a lot of new boxing fans.

Badhusker wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:I've never been a fan of Whyte, I have never seen the hype around him. People say he rocked Joshua, so what, that wasn't a boxing match, it was an all out war, there was no defence in that fight.. Moving on, Whyte will be a domestic fighter at best, if not at least European level. That's it. He can break into how many rankings as he likes, last night's performance was not good. He isn't a good boxer. Chisora 'rocked' him many rounds, he was unlucky not to have been dropped. Had he been dropped, the decision would not have been his. I had it for Chisora by 2 rounds, but I think Chisora may have lost it when he was having a relaxed round every other round, because he was tired.

Top 10 HW's, in no particular order...

L. Ortiz
Wladimir Klit
A. Joshua
David Haye
J. Parker
D. Wilder
K. Pulev
Andy Ruiz Jr.
J. Duhaupas
D. Chisora

I think Povetkin and/or Stiverne deserve top 10 before Chisora or Whyte. Based on Wlad's last performance, I would not even have him in the top 20 at this point.

Thank you. I knew I was missing someone. I had his name in my head before I started writing the names, then his name just fell out of my head

I believe Chisora edged him but either way, Dillian Whyte rated as a top ten heavyweight should scare the shit out of every boxing fan alive. He is just not that good.

I have stopped making rankings a long time ago... no disrespect to Chisora, that was a hell of a fight, but going life & death with him, isn't a good sign. IMO Whyte lacks a big, clear win. Top-20 for me. BoxRec has him on #15. Doesn't sound too bad, but Martin on #10? Think these computerized rankings need a makeover. Its all about the balance between "having done" and "potential to do"

Martin above Ruiz Jr, Thompson, Whyte, Haye, Szpilka, Takam, Jennings... its a joke.

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:I have stopped making rankings a long time ago... no disrespect to Chisora, that was a hell of a fight, but going life & death with him, isn't a good sign. IMO Whyte lacks a big, clear win. Top-20 for me. BoxRec has him on #15. Doesn't sound too bad, but Martin on #10? Think these computerized rankings need a makeover. Its all about the balance between "having done" and "potential to do"

Martin above Ruiz Jr, Thompson, Whyte, Haye, Szpilka, Takam, Jennings... its a joke.

Remember the heavyweight rankings are currently pretty broken because due to various issues Povetkin, Wlad and T.Fury (the top 3) are all out of the rankings.

He's probably top 15 but as others have said it's difficult to judge at the moment as the top guys don't fight each other often enough. Hopefully 2017 will bring some clarity to the division as there are plenty of opportunities out there now but I'll believe that when I see it!

BitPlayer wrote:

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:I have stopped making rankings a long time ago... no disrespect to Chisora, that was a hell of a fight, but going life & death with him, isn't a good sign. IMO Whyte lacks a big, clear win. Top-20 for me. BoxRec has him on #15. Doesn't sound too bad, but Martin on #10? Think these computerized rankings need a makeover. Its all about the balance between "having done" and "potential to do"

Martin above Ruiz Jr, Thompson, Whyte, Haye, Szpilka, Takam, Jennings... its a joke.

Remember the heavyweight rankings are currently pretty broken because due to various issues Povetkin, Wlad and T.Fury (the top 3) are all out of the rankings.

What did you see from Wlad in his last fight that you feel warrants a top 3 ranking? He had the worst performance of any heavy in a championship fight I can remember. Talk about stupid....

Badhusker wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:I have stopped making rankings a long time ago... no disrespect to Chisora, that was a hell of a fight, but going life & death with him, isn't a good sign. IMO Whyte lacks a big, clear win. Top-20 for me. BoxRec has him on #15. Doesn't sound too bad, but Martin on #10? Think these computerized rankings need a makeover. Its all about the balance between "having done" and "potential to do"

Martin above Ruiz Jr, Thompson, Whyte, Haye, Szpilka, Takam, Jennings... its a joke.

Remember the heavyweight rankings are currently pretty broken because due to various issues Povetkin, Wlad and T.Fury (the top 3) are all out of the rankings.

What did you see from Wlad in his last fight that you feel warrants a top 3 ranking? He had the worst performance of any heavy in a championship fight I can remember. Talk about stupid....

Did you forgot about Charles Martin and AUdley Harrison or something?

The idea that a points loss to the consensus 3rd best in the division is enough to drop the long time undisputable No. 1 to noteven top 20 is laughable, especially since Fury was coming off beating two top 20 fighters so badly they quit on their stool without him even trying to stop them.

He still has a massive punch, one of the last things to go, he's stil a giant, and his footwork is still some of the best in the division, Fury's was just even better./

LOL, Jip is more aware of reality that most of you then gets called a troll. Love it.

Can a fighter enter the top ten without beating a top ten fighter? Uhh, yeah. How retarded are you? The rankings aren't linear, and the separation from #10 to #15 or even 20 in this division isn't large. Depending on quality of performance, of course someone can move up without necessarily beating the #9 or 10 guy. Also, as everyone should be aware, Tyson Fury gave up his belts and claims to be retired. At least, that's his official stance today. Do you leave paper rankings with a vacancy at the very top?

Why doesn't Povetkin get more respect? He hasn't fought in 13 months because of his own fornicate up. Chagaev (which was a long time ago), Perez and Takam are good wins; Wach, Charr, and Wawrzyk aren't any better than the Wilder opponents that got dragged on here. Want to count the Chagaev win but not the lousy performances against Firtha, Estrada, and Huck? Sure thing, boss.

Charles Martin above Andy Ruiz Jr.? Yeah, Andy Ruiz hasn't beaten anyone worth discussing and looked good. His best career moment was managing to lose to a Joseph Parker (a prospect) who took him so seriously he came in the worst shape of his recent career. He makes Arreola look like Adonis. Also, why the hell is anyone rating Andy Ruiz? Why? What do you see in him? Do you really think beating Yah-Yah is impressive?

Since when did belonging have anything to do with the rankings ...

BitPlayer wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: Remember the heavyweight rankings are currently pretty broken because due to various issues Povetkin, Wlad and T.Fury (the top 3) are all out of the rankings.

What did you see from Wlad in his last fight that you feel warrants a top 3 ranking? He had the worst performance of any heavy in a championship fight I can remember. Talk about stupid....

Did you forgot about Charles Martin and AUdley Harrison or something?

The idea that a points loss to the consensus 3rd best in the division is enough to drop the long time undisputable No. 1 to noteven top 20 is laughable, especially since Fury was coming off beating two top 20 fighters so badly they quit on their stool without him even trying to stop them.

He still has a massive punch, one of the last things to go, he's stil a giant, and his footwork is still some of the best in the division, Fury's was just even better./

Until I see his massive punch still in his arsonal, he doesn't have it. Footwork does you no good if you can't pull the trigger, and has absolutely no body work, which I think is what would destroy someone like Fury. Both look absolutely horrible, with Fury looking not as horrible as Wlad. It was a pathetic thing to watch, imo. Fury did what he had to in order to win, so I do give him that. Wlad looked totally shot.

Klitschko didn't look shot against Fury. He fought like he always fought. The difference is that he faced a guy who was bigger and athletic enough to play keep away from him the whole fight and keep Wlad on the end of the 2 jabs a round that comprised the action. But I forget that boxing fans all think Cotto has been "finished" since the Margarito fight in spite of his Mayweather and Canelo performances, so whatever. They're lousy judges of anything.

zorndeslammes wrote:Klitschko didn't look shot against Fury. He fought like he always fought. The difference is that he faced a guy who was bigger and athletic enough to play keep away from him the whole fight and keep Wlad on the end of the 2 jabs a round that comprised the action. But I forget that boxing fans all think Cotto has been "finished" since the Margarito fight in spite of his Mayweather and Canelo performances, so whatever. They're lousy judges of anything.

I stand by what I said about him looking shot. You can't say he fought the way he always does if he isn't throwing punches. Its not like Fury is incredibly hard to hit. Some fighters do get to a point in their careers when they just can't pull the trigger any more. Fury frustrated him, yes, but someone with experience like Wlad has should have dealt with that. It's not the first big guy he has fought. If Wlad fights like that vs Joshua he will be brutally KO'd, and will be done. You are only as good as your last fight.

If I remember right it was at or near a record for the fewest punches landed for any 12 round heavyweight title fight in the history of the sport.

Badhusker wrote:

zorndeslammes wrote:Klitschko didn't look shot against Fury. He fought like he always fought. The difference is that he faced a guy who was bigger and athletic enough to play keep away from him the whole fight and keep Wlad on the end of the 2 jabs a round that comprised the action. But I forget that boxing fans all think Cotto has been "finished" since the Margarito fight in spite of his Mayweather and Canelo performances, so whatever. They're lousy judges of anything.

I stand by what I said about him looking shot. You can't say he fought the way he always does if he isn't throwing punches. Its not like Fury is incredibly hard to hit. Some fighters do get to a point in their careers when they just can't pull the trigger any more. Fury frustrated him, yes, but someone with experience like Wlad has should have dealt with that. It's not the first big guy he has fought. If Wlad fights like that vs Joshua he will be brutally KO'd, and will be done. You are only as good as your last fight.

If I remember right it was at or near a record for the fewest punches landed for any 12 round heavyweight title fight in the history of the sport.

wlad exactly fought like he always fought and to your point "You can't say he fought the way he always does if he isn't throwing punches", dude, in every wlad fight wlad rarely throws punches. so its exactly the similar wlad fight, every single time: low punchoutput, lots of wreslting, lots of clinching. normaly his opponents are smaller than him and he can do it. this had someone taller than him, longer reach, better iq and he couldnt to his greco roman wrestling stuff.

Wladimir hasn't been an offensive heavyweight since Clinton was in office. He rarely throws more than 50 a round and clinches a ton. Fury just happens to be a little better than the average useless giant (Austin, Jefferson, Wach).

No

zorndeslammes wrote:Klitschko didn't look shot against Fury. He fought like he always fought. The difference is that he faced a guy who was bigger and athletic enough to play keep away from him the whole fight and keep Wlad on the end of the 2 jabs a round that comprised the action.

Finally someone who got that "fight" right.

Wlad was beaten on his own game and could not adjust the game plan on the fly. 10 years of doing certain thing is really hard to shake of even if it is not working. Also Fury fought very disciplined and did stick to the game plan perfectly.

Whyte does not belong to top 10. Going life and death against current Chisora is not good sign. In my score card he lost. Somewhere between 15-20 sounds about right.

I am fine with Whyte at 10.

Any of you "Wladimir is shot" types want to seriously argue that he'd get stomped out by lower grade fighters? Who among you picks Jennings in a rematch?

Jip wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

zorndeslammes wrote:Klitschko didn't look shot against Fury. He fought like he always fought. The difference is that he faced a guy who was bigger and athletic enough to play keep away from him the whole fight and keep Wlad on the end of the 2 jabs a round that comprised the action. But I forget that boxing fans all think Cotto has been "finished" since the Margarito fight in spite of his Mayweather and Canelo performances, so whatever. They're lousy judges of anything.

I stand by what I said about him looking shot. You can't say he fought the way he always does if he isn't throwing punches. Its not like Fury is incredibly hard to hit. Some fighters do get to a point in their careers when they just can't pull the trigger any more. Fury frustrated him, yes, but someone with experience like Wlad has should have dealt with that. It's not the first big guy he has fought. If Wlad fights like that vs Joshua he will be brutally KO'd, and will be done. You are only as good as your last fight.

If I remember right it was at or near a record for the fewest punches landed for any 12 round heavyweight title fight in the history of the sport.

wlad exactly fought like he always fought and to your point "You can't say he fought the way he always does if he isn't throwing punches", dude, in every wlad fight wlad rarely throws punches. so its exactly the similar wlad fight, every single time: low punchoutput, lots of wreslting, lots of clinching. normaly his opponents are smaller than him and he can do it. this had someone taller than him, longer reach, better iq and he couldnt to his greco roman wrestling stuff.

Wlad reduced his punch output from his fight with Jennings compared to Fury by about 300 punches. In his last 11 or 12 fights, he was averaging about 45 punches per round, which is the heavyweight average according to compubox. In his fight vs Fury, Wlad's output dropped to about 19 punches per round that he threw. Throwing that much less punches is what I am talking about, and no, it wasn't the same way he always fights, especially in terms of throwing punches/pulling the trigger.
Your extremely low punch output claim in every single fight is simply false because it is the heavyweight average. Pulev was only an inch or so shorter, and Wach an inch and a half taller, Pianeta an inch shorter, etc. He had dealt with the height before. Fury took Wlad out of his normal game. It was more his actions, not so much his height.

I had Chisora beating Whyte too

I was surprised by how much Chisora was able to hurt him

15-20 probably