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thechump wrote:Joshua will knock out anyone in that division at present,the reason behind it is he is 6,6 17+ stone throws powerful combinations and i dont think anyone can stand upto that kind of power

But can he take the shots of Wlad, Wilder and Ortiz? Can he match the footwork of Fury, or even Wlad? How much heart has he got? How will he do when he gets dragged into late rounds?

BitPlayer wrote:

thechump wrote:Joshua will knock out anyone in that division at present,the reason behind it is he is 6,6 17+ stone throws powerful combinations and i dont think anyone can stand upto that kind of power

But can he take the shots of Wlad, Wilder and Ortiz? Can he match the footwork of Fury, or even Wlad? How much heart has he got? How will he do when he gets dragged into late rounds?

Fury has shown footwork in 1fight and now he is the 2nd coming of ali to some on here,with footwork u gotta be able to throw shots aswell,regards wilder wlad or ortiz joshua,can they take his shots,how much heart has wilser got? We all know wlad doesnt have heart wen the pressure is on him and regards ortiz if he shows what he did against scott then AJ will flatten him quick

joshua wilder parker are all paper champions wannabes pretenders i call them the 3 chumps

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Syntax Error wrote: I'd like to see how he does against Wladmir, Wilder, Ortiz, Haye & Fury x 2 before proclaiming him the second coming of Errol Spence Jr!

Joshua is twice as big as Errol Spence Jnr.

(Errol is only what, a welterweight)

Doesn't matter, Spence Jr is the First Coming.

You must have got that memo, surely?

Stuarty30 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:I love this site but it fair gets on my nipple ends from time to time man!

Fury is the main man! If he retires and stays retired then fair enough let's name someone else but until someone beats Fury then he's the 'proper' champ in my eyes. The titles scattering and four champions is awful for the division and the sport but that's greed for you!

What part of he gave up his belts did you not get? He has chosen to snort coke and stuff his mug while playing head games.

Just answered your own question! He 'gave up' or 'was stripped'! Fury done what nobody could do an out boxed Wlad. He is champion in recess and will remain the man in my eyes until someone beats him.

So if he never steps in the ring again, then what? I don't get this premise that Fury is the man, cause he beat the man. So what happens if Joshua beats Klitchko? Does he become the man?

Rob3_142 wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

Tanzio wrote: What part of he gave up his belts did you not get? He has chosen to snort coke and stuff his mug while playing head games.

Just answered your own question! He 'gave up' or 'was stripped'! Fury done what nobody could do an out boxed Wlad. He is champion in recess and will remain the man in my eyes until someone beats him.

So if he never steps in the ring again, then what? I don't get this premise that Fury is the man, cause he beat the man. So what happens if Joshua beats Klitchko? Does he become the man?

Not if Fury returns no. The winner of Fury v Joshua then becomes the man.

Ian1973 wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
Just answered your own question! He 'gave up' or 'was stripped'! Fury done what nobody could do an out boxed Wlad. He is champion in recess and will remain the man in my eyes until someone beats him.

So if he never steps in the ring again, then what? I don't get this premise that Fury is the man, cause he beat the man. So what happens if Joshua beats Klitchko? Does he become the man?

Not if Fury returns no. The winner of Fury v Joshua then becomes the man.

But what happens in the quite likely scenario that Fury never returns?

skinnysteve wrote:joshua wilder parker are all paper champions wannabes pretenders i call them the 3 chumps

Hahaha their all my friends hahaha. Joshua would give any champion in the history of the division a good fight and i dont care what anyone else says

Rob3_142 wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
So if he never steps in the ring again, then what? I don't get this premise that Fury is the man, cause he beat the man. So what happens if Joshua beats Klitchko? Does he become the man?

Not if Fury returns no. The winner of Fury v Joshua then becomes the man.

But what happens in the quite likely scenario that Fury never returns?

Then Fury is out of the equation. If Joshua beats Klitschko then given that "the man" didn't lose his crown in the ring I think it's still open until Joshua / Wilder / Povetkin / Ortiz prove themselves to be more deserving than the others preferably by fighting each other. Probably wishful thinking but hey ho.

Rob3_142 wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
So if he never steps in the ring again, then what? I don't get this premise that Fury is the man, cause he beat the man. So what happens if Joshua beats Klitchko? Does he become the man?

Not if Fury returns no. The winner of Fury v Joshua then becomes the man.

But what happens in the quite likely scenario that Fury never returns?

He is still the ATG of his era, of course. If not for his mental issues, which have nothing to do with swimming in booze and having cocaine facials, Fury would have been the GOAT of GOATs, retiring after innumerable battles nearly as exciting as his thrilling defeat of WKlit.

Ian1973 wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Not if Fury returns no. The winner of Fury v Joshua then becomes the man.

But what happens in the quite likely scenario that Fury never returns?

Then Fury is out of the equation. If Joshua beats Klitschko then given that "the man" didn't lose his crown in the ring I think it's still open until Joshua / Wilder / Povetkin / Ortiz prove themselves to be more deserving than the others preferably by fighting each other. Probably wishful thinking but hey ho.

Of course! What do these non believers not understand about Fury being the champion of the world for eternity unless everyone fights everyone else twice to prove otherwise? It's enough to I tell ya!

Tanzio wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
But what happens in the quite likely scenario that Fury never returns?

Then Fury is out of the equation. If Joshua beats Klitschko then given that "the man" didn't lose his crown in the ring I think it's still open until Joshua / Wilder / Povetkin / Ortiz prove themselves to be more deserving than the others preferably by fighting each other. Probably wishful thinking but hey ho.

Of course! What do these non believers not understand about Fury being the champion of the world for eternity unless everyone fights everyone else twice to prove otherwise? It's enough to I tell ya!

No-one said that, you're being silly.

Ian1973 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Then Fury is out of the equation. If Joshua beats Klitschko then given that "the man" didn't lose his crown in the ring I think it's still open until Joshua / Wilder / Povetkin / Ortiz prove themselves to be more deserving than the others preferably by fighting each other. Probably wishful thinking but hey ho.

Of course! What do these non believers not understand about Fury being the champion of the world for eternity unless everyone fights everyone else twice to prove otherwise? It's enough to I tell ya!

No-one said that, you're being silly.

No more silly than Fury's apologists.

Ian1973 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Then Fury is out of the equation. If Joshua beats Klitschko then given that "the man" didn't lose his crown in the ring I think it's still open until Joshua / Wilder / Povetkin / Ortiz prove themselves to be more deserving than the others preferably by fighting each other. Probably wishful thinking but hey ho.

Of course! What do these non believers not understand about Fury being the champion of the world for eternity unless everyone fights everyone else twice to prove otherwise? It's enough to I tell ya!

No-one said that, you're being silly.

He is, but for the sake of making a point. Fury for some reason, in many people's eyes, has been propelled to the top of the Heavyweight ladder after one win, and for some reason should remain there. Yet Joshua would have to beat both Klitchko and Fury to receive the same status.

As far as I'm concerned, based on current events, I will rely on the BoxRec rankings to give me some kind of indication of who lies where, and that currently is Ortiz as #1, and Joshua #2

Tanzio wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Of course! What do these non believers not understand about Fury being the champion of the world for eternity unless everyone fights everyone else twice to prove otherwise? It's enough to I tell ya!

No-one said that, you're being silly.

No more silly than Fury's apologists.

Apologists for what?

I speak about him as a boxer not about his mental health issues. Mental health issues are nothing to laugh at or ridicule if you'd been through mental health issues you'd know they are horrible, absolutely horrible. And guess what, much like cancer they can affect anybody at any time.

As a "boxer" Fury beat "the man" that makes him number one at this stage. Compare this to Joshua who hasn't beat anyone in the top - what 10?, 15?

Ian1973 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:


No-one said that, you're being silly.

No more silly than Fury's apologists.

Apologists for what?

I speak about him as a boxer not about his mental health issues. Mental health issues are nothing to laugh at or ridicule if you'd been through mental health issues you'd know they are horrible, absolutely horrible. And guess what, much like cancer they can affect anybody at any time.

As a "boxer" Fury beat "the man" that makes him number one at this stage. Compare this to Joshua who hasn't beat anyone in the top - what 10?, 15?

Above post = Fury apologist

Can we all just go snort an ounce or two washed down with a calfskin of Mad Dog and commiserate about our completely innocent mental states, please?

Ian1973 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:


No-one said that, you're being silly.

No more silly than Fury's apologists.

Apologists for what?

I speak about him as a boxer not about his mental health issues. Mental health issues are nothing to laugh at or ridicule if you'd been through mental health issues you'd know they are horrible, absolutely horrible. And guess what, much like cancer they can affect anybody at any time.

As a "boxer" Fury beat "the man" that makes him number one at this stage. Compare this to Joshua who hasn't beat anyone in the top - what 10?, 15?

Ian please tell me before he had a dance off with klit and beat him who else has fury fought to put him as no.1? And better still what world did he light uo to have anyone but the fury nuthuggers believe that he should rank no.1 even if he comes back? Ill be waiting patiently for a reply with my hand across my mouth trying not to laugh

thechump wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Tanzio wrote: No more silly than Fury's apologists.

Apologists for what?

I speak about him as a boxer not about his mental health issues. Mental health issues are nothing to laugh at or ridicule if you'd been through mental health issues you'd know they are horrible, absolutely horrible. And guess what, much like cancer they can affect anybody at any time.

As a "boxer" Fury beat "the man" that makes him number one at this stage. Compare this to Joshua who hasn't beat anyone in the top - what 10?, 15?

Ian please tell me before he had a dance off with klit and beat him who else has fury fought to put him as no.1? And better still what world did he light uo to have anyone but the fury nuthuggers believe that he should rank no.1 even if he comes back? Ill be waiting patiently for a reply with my hand across my mouth trying not to laugh

First point - sarcasm, making fun etc doesn't strengthen an argument it weakens it.

The dance off as you call it was a masterclass in subtle movement and distance management that the under educated will not get because it's almost impossible to see with the naked eye. Everytime Wlad went to throw Fury was either an inch out of range or moved slightly in order to make Wlad hesitate, Wlad knowing that if he threw he wouldn't land. It was an absolute masterclass of boxing at range, which Fury had shown in his previous three or four fights where barely a glove was landed on him.

In terms of names before Wlad only Chisora is instantly recognisable to the general fan. Fury played with Chisora who probably did enough to beat Whyte last weekend who in turn actually was to a degree competitive against Joshua.

Fury is massively under-rated by some because he isn't explosive and he isn't always easy on the eye. In terms of quality he does things that some people simply don't see. He's very, very good.

Ian1973 wrote:

thechump wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Apologists for what?

I speak about him as a boxer not about his mental health issues. Mental health issues are nothing to laugh at or ridicule if you'd been through mental health issues you'd know they are horrible, absolutely horrible. And guess what, much like cancer they can affect anybody at any time.

As a "boxer" Fury beat "the man" that makes him number one at this stage. Compare this to Joshua who hasn't beat anyone in the top - what 10?, 15?

Ian please tell me before he had a dance off with klit and beat him who else has fury fought to put him as no.1? And better still what world did he light uo to have anyone but the fury nuthuggers believe that he should rank no.1 even if he comes back? Ill be waiting patiently for a reply with my hand across my mouth trying not to laugh

First point - sarcasm, making fun etc doesn't strengthen an argument it weakens it.

The dance off as you call it was a masterclass in subtle movement and distance management that the under educated will not get because it's almost impossible to see with the naked eye. Everytime Wlad went to throw Fury was either an inch out of range or moved slightly in order to make Wlad hesitate, Wlad knowing that if he threw he wouldn't land. It was an absolute masterclass of boxing at range, which Fury had shown in his previous three or four fights where barely a glove was landed on him.

In terms of names before Wlad only Chisora is instantly recognisable to the general fan. Fury played with Chisora who probably did enough to beat Whyte last weekend who in turn actually was to a degree competitive against Joshua.

Fury is massively under-rated by some because he isn't explosive and he isn't always easy on the eye. In terms of quality he does things that some people simply don't see. He's very, very good.

Fury is actually overrated, by people who follow boxing outside of Eddie Hearn shows.

Ian1973 wrote:

thechump wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Apologists for what?

I speak about him as a boxer not about his mental health issues. Mental health issues are nothing to laugh at or ridicule if you'd been through mental health issues you'd know they are horrible, absolutely horrible. And guess what, much like cancer they can affect anybody at any time.

As a "boxer" Fury beat "the man" that makes him number one at this stage. Compare this to Joshua who hasn't beat anyone in the top - what 10?, 15?

Ian please tell me before he had a dance off with klit and beat him who else has fury fought to put him as no.1? And better still what world did he light uo to have anyone but the fury nuthuggers believe that he should rank no.1 even if he comes back? Ill be waiting patiently for a reply with my hand across my mouth trying not to laugh

First point - sarcasm, making fun etc doesn't strengthen an argument it weakens it.

The dance off as you call it was a masterclass in subtle movement and distance management that the under educated will not get because it's almost impossible to see with the naked eye. Everytime Wlad went to throw Fury was either an inch out of range or moved slightly in order to make Wlad hesitate, Wlad knowing that if he threw he wouldn't land. It was an absolute masterclass of boxing at range, which Fury had shown in his previous three or four fights where barely a glove was landed on him.

In terms of names before Wlad only Chisora is instantly recognisable to the general fan. Fury played with Chisora who probably did enough to beat Whyte last weekend who in turn actually was to a degree competitive against Joshua.

Fury is massively under-rated by some because he isn't explosive and he isn't always easy on the eye. In terms of quality he does things that some people simply don't see. He's very, very good.

You call it what you will i call it a dance off. So u just come up with chisora who haye absolutley destroyed? As for saying AJ had a competative fight with whyte i didnt give whyte a single round against joshua. What about kingpin? Didnt fury have another 12 round dance off with kingpin? And what did AJ do to kingpin my friend? Absoultley destroyed him and fury couldnt even dent him

thechump wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

thechump wrote: Ian please tell me before he had a dance off with klit and beat him who else has fury fought to put him as no.1? And better still what world did he light uo to have anyone but the fury nuthuggers believe that he should rank no.1 even if he comes back? Ill be waiting patiently for a reply with my hand across my mouth trying not to laugh

First point - sarcasm, making fun etc doesn't strengthen an argument it weakens it.

The dance off as you call it was a masterclass in subtle movement and distance management that the under educated will not get because it's almost impossible to see with the naked eye. Everytime Wlad went to throw Fury was either an inch out of range or moved slightly in order to make Wlad hesitate, Wlad knowing that if he threw he wouldn't land. It was an absolute masterclass of boxing at range, which Fury had shown in his previous three or four fights where barely a glove was landed on him.

In terms of names before Wlad only Chisora is instantly recognisable to the general fan. Fury played with Chisora who probably did enough to beat Whyte last weekend who in turn actually was to a degree competitive against Joshua.

Fury is massively under-rated by some because he isn't explosive and he isn't always easy on the eye. In terms of quality he does things that some people simply don't see. He's very, very good.

You call it what you will i call it a dance off. So u just come up with chisora who haye absolutley destroyed? As for saying AJ had a competative fight with whyte i didnt give whyte a single round against joshua. What about kingpin? Didnt fury have another 12 round dance off with kingpin? And what did AJ do to kingpin my friend? Absoultley destroyed him and fury couldnt even dent him

So by your reasoning. Frazier beat Ali.
Foreman destroyed Frazier
So Foreman would automatically destroy Ali.

It doesn't work that way.
I had Fury #1 after beating Klit.
It's been over a year Fury is retired either by suspension or his own choice it doesn't matter.
Fury is not in the equation at this time.

If and when Fury retires we will have to see what he has left.
At this time Joshua has not done near enough in my view to be considered #1.
Klitschko is about 183 years old and has not looked dominant in a couple of years. So a win by Joshua over Klit may look great on paper. It still will not convince me that Joshua is the real champ.

tiny_acres wrote:

thechump wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:


First point - sarcasm, making fun etc doesn't strengthen an argument it weakens it.

The dance off as you call it was a masterclass in subtle movement and distance management that the under educated will not get because it's almost impossible to see with the naked eye. Everytime Wlad went to throw Fury was either an inch out of range or moved slightly in order to make Wlad hesitate, Wlad knowing that if he threw he wouldn't land. It was an absolute masterclass of boxing at range, which Fury had shown in his previous three or four fights where barely a glove was landed on him.

In terms of names before Wlad only Chisora is instantly recognisable to the general fan. Fury played with Chisora who probably did enough to beat Whyte last weekend who in turn actually was to a degree competitive against Joshua.

Fury is massively under-rated by some because he isn't explosive and he isn't always easy on the eye. In terms of quality he does things that some people simply don't see. He's very, very good.

You call it what you will i call it a dance off. So u just come up with chisora who haye absolutley destroyed? As for saying AJ had a competative fight with whyte i didnt give whyte a single round against joshua. What about kingpin? Didnt fury have another 12 round dance off with kingpin? And what did AJ do to kingpin my friend? Absoultley destroyed him and fury couldnt even dent him

So by your reasoning. Frazier beat Ali.
Foreman destroyed Frazier
So Foreman would automatically destroy Ali.

It doesn't work that way.
I had Fury #1 after beating Klit.
It's been over a year Fury is retired either by suspension or his own choice it doesn't matter.
Fury is not in the equation at this time.

If and when Fury retires we will have to see what he has left.
At this time Joshua has not done near enough in my view to be considered #1.
Klitschko is about 183 years old and has not looked dominant in a couple of years. So a win by Joshua over Klit may look great on paper. It still will not convince me that Joshua is the real champ.

Yo tiny i havent read all your comment only the frazier foreman ali bit,read iana comment before u say i said that cause i was takin the piss cause he said joshua had a competative fight with whyte ans whyte struggled with chisora who got destroyed by fury,he was insinuating that because fury beat chisora fury would beat all i just mentioned so see ian before u throw crap at me pal

tiny_acres wrote:

thechump wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:


First point - sarcasm, making fun etc doesn't strengthen an argument it weakens it.

The dance off as you call it was a masterclass in subtle movement and distance management that the under educated will not get because it's almost impossible to see with the naked eye. Everytime Wlad went to throw Fury was either an inch out of range or moved slightly in order to make Wlad hesitate, Wlad knowing that if he threw he wouldn't land. It was an absolute masterclass of boxing at range, which Fury had shown in his previous three or four fights where barely a glove was landed on him.

In terms of names before Wlad only Chisora is instantly recognisable to the general fan. Fury played with Chisora who probably did enough to beat Whyte last weekend who in turn actually was to a degree competitive against Joshua.

Fury is massively under-rated by some because he isn't explosive and he isn't always easy on the eye. In terms of quality he does things that some people simply don't see. He's very, very good.

You call it what you will i call it a dance off. So u just come up with chisora who haye absolutley destroyed? As for saying AJ had a competative fight with whyte i didnt give whyte a single round against joshua. What about kingpin? Didnt fury have another 12 round dance off with kingpin? And what did AJ do to kingpin my friend? Absoultley destroyed him and fury couldnt even dent him

So by your reasoning. Frazier beat Ali.
Foreman destroyed Frazier
So Foreman would automatically destroy Ali.

It doesn't work that way.
I had Fury #1 after beating Klit.
It's been over a year Fury is retired either by suspension or his own choice it doesn't matter.
Fury is not in the equation at this time.

If and when Fury retires we will have to see what he has left.
At this time Joshua has not done near enough in my view to be considered #1.
Klitschko is about 183 years old and has not looked dominant in a couple of years. So a win by Joshua over Klit may look great on paper. It still will not convince me that Joshua is the real champ.

So tiny your contradicting yourself,you say fury is the #1 for beating klit who is 183 years old and hasnt looked dominant for a couple of years now,fury fought the 182 year old man last year and by your reconing he hadnt been dominant for about a year then. Wilder has the best record out of all the top 6 heavyweights molina stiverne arreola all three are top 10 heavyweights and have been around the best fought the best fair enough been beaten by the best too but his record is better than parker joshua and fury

Ian1973 wrote:

thechump wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:

Apologists for what?

I speak about him as a boxer not about his mental health issues. Mental health issues are nothing to laugh at or ridicule if you'd been through mental health issues you'd know they are horrible, absolutely horrible. And guess what, much like cancer they can affect anybody at any time.

As a "boxer" Fury beat "the man" that makes him number one at this stage. Compare this to Joshua who hasn't beat anyone in the top - what 10?, 15?

Ian please tell me before he had a dance off with klit and beat him who else has fury fought to put him as no.1? And better still what world did he light uo to have anyone but the fury nuthuggers believe that he should rank no.1 even if he comes back? Ill be waiting patiently for a reply with my hand across my mouth trying not to laugh

First point - sarcasm, making fun etc doesn't strengthen an argument it weakens it.

The dance off as you call it was a masterclass in subtle movement and distance management that the under educated will not get because it's almost impossible to see with the naked eye. Everytime Wlad went to throw Fury was either an inch out of range or moved slightly in order to make Wlad hesitate, Wlad knowing that if he threw he wouldn't land. It was an absolute masterclass of boxing at range, which Fury had shown in his previous three or four fights where barely a glove was landed on him.

In terms of names before Wlad only Chisora is instantly recognisable to the general fan. Fury played with Chisora who probably did enough to beat Whyte last weekend who in turn actually was to a degree competitive against Joshua.

Fury is massively under-rated by some because he isn't explosive and he isn't always easy on the eye. In terms of quality he does things that some people simply don't see. He's very, very good.

Iv just finished laughing at your comment ha ha. Now please tell me,who has fury fought other than klit and chisora to warrent him being the #1 heavyweight???

thechump wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

thechump wrote: You call it what you will i call it a dance off. So u just come up with chisora who haye absolutley destroyed? As for saying AJ had a competative fight with whyte i didnt give whyte a single round against joshua. What about kingpin? Didnt fury have another 12 round dance off with kingpin? And what did AJ do to kingpin my friend? Absoultley destroyed him and fury couldnt even dent him

So by your reasoning. Frazier beat Ali.
Foreman destroyed Frazier
So Foreman would automatically destroy Ali.

It doesn't work that way.
I had Fury #1 after beating Klit.
It's been over a year Fury is retired either by suspension or his own choice it doesn't matter.
Fury is not in the equation at this time.

If and when Fury retires we will have to see what he has left.
At this time Joshua has not done near enough in my view to be considered #1.
Klitschko is about 183 years old and has not looked dominant in a couple of years. So a win by Joshua over Klit may look great on paper. It still will not convince me that Joshua is the real champ.

So tiny your contradicting yourself,you say fury is the #1 for beating klit who is 183 years old and hasnt looked dominant for a couple of years now,fury fought the 182 year old man last year and by your reconing he hadnt been dominant for about a year then. Wilder has the best record out of all the top 6 heavyweights molina stiverne arreola all three are top 10 heavyweights and have been around the best fought the best fair enough been beaten by the best too but his record is better than parker joshua and fury

Awww, come on Mr. thechump, WKlit was only about 182 years old when Fury, the deserved GOAT of all GOATs, defeated him with tooljitsu that only those with special boo-ray goggles could see due to the mind numbing bore wave that the use of them puts out.