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Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 11 Jun 2017, 02:05
by Kalan
montrealsuper wrote:Facing Greatness: Dwight Qawi Recalls Boxing George Foreman
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By Scoop Malinowski
Just three months after losing the Holyfield rematch, Dwight Muhammad Qawi was offered on short notice the chance to fight George Foreman on March 19, 1988 at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. It was the eighth bout of Foreman’s boxing comeback which began in March 1987 with a TKO 4 over Steve Zouski.
Qawi (28-5-1) accepted and boxed the much bigger former and future Heavyweight champion Foreman (52-2), who was coming off seven straight wins over Zouski, Charles Hostetter, Bobby Crabtree, Tim Anderson, Rocky Sekorski, Tom Trimm and Guido Trane. Here are Qawi’s memories of actually being in the ring with and competing with Big George Foreman…
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Question: What are your standout memories from the Foreman fight?
Dwight Muhammad Qawi: “First of all, I took him on two-and-a-half weeks notice. Bob Arum was bringing George back. Getting him ready for Mike (Tyson) at the time. So I guess I was short, built like Mike, movement, when they called with $50,000, I took it.”
Question: Were you in shape for that fight?
Qawi: “Not really. Not really. I was overweight, embarrassed. I had to lose the weight, as a matter of fact, I went on a liquid diet to lose the weight. I was so embarrassed, to get in the ring looking like that. I just had to lose the weight real quick. I was depressed when they called me. I wasn’t ready to go back in the ring real quick. So when they called me I was in the middle of everything, not sure what to do.”
Question: Did you have any success vs. Foreman?
Qawi: “Yeah for the first four rounds I thought I had him going. I thought I was winning. The judges had it 4-3. I thought I had more rounds.”
Question: What punch combinations/tactics were successful against him?
Qawi: “Well, the right hand. The lead right hand kept hitting him. I would roll out on him. When he stuck the hand out to lean on you, I let him touch me and I rolled out. The hand is still out there and I’d get on the side of him and I’d turn and I hit him. Because when you’re going like that he’s not going to jump back. He’d just turn and I hit him. I just got tired. If I had more energy and I was more courageous and more imaginative, and I think he was looking for that first punch, he was respectful of my punch, the rest of the fight. That’s the strategy. When they’re in with a puncher like that, he thinks I’m wild, so he’s not so bold.”
Question: How do you think Tyson would have done with Foreman if they would have fought back then?
Qawi: “If Mike is on top of his game it would have been a helluva fight. I just watched Foreman fight Ron Lyle, they went down six, seven times. So Foreman could take a punch. I could see Mike hitting him. It could be one of those fights you don’t even want to think about. Seriously. That would be a lot of firepower.”
Question: What did Foreman’s power feel like?
Qawi: “It wasn’t sharp. It was a thump. Thumping. He didn’t hit me with that much clean. But it was like, heavy. Heavy. You have the sharp punch, then you have the thumping punch. It was mostly like that. That’s how he came back. He was smart coming back. He deserved the win and the accolades he got. So I did good with him.”
The former WBC Light Heavyweight and WBA Cruiserweight champion, Qawi ran out of gas and was stopped by TKO in the seventh round by Foreman. His career slowed after that, losing to Robert Daniels, Mike Hunter, Arthur Williams, Nate Miller and his final pro fight was in 1998, a points loss to Tony LaRosa in Chicago.
After defeating Qawi, Foreman went back to work and had 11 more bouts before taking his first major test against Gerry Cooney in Atlantic City in 1990. Foreman stopped the favored Cooney by TKO 2 and eventually got a title shot against Evander Holyfield in 1991. Foreman lost on points to Holyfield but made history defeating Michael Moorer in 1994 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas to become the oldest man to win the world Heavyweight title, at age 45, a record that appears unbreakable.
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The Cooney fight WASN'T a "major test" ... Cooney hadn't won a fight in 4 years.. He hadn't fought in over a year prior to the Spinks fight.. He was easily beaten up and stopped by a Light Heavyweight... Then he didn't fight for 2.6 years prior to the Foreman fight... He was suffering from alcoholism and drug addiction at the time... After the Holmes fight he didn't fight for well over 2 years.. Foreman was packing away the fights like crazy.. If you're a drug addict, you avoid fighting if you can.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 11 Jun 2017, 14:04
by BoxBuzz
Cooney had a marketable name.....and certainly attempted to sell the fight as something he was determined to win.
So the word "Major" comes into play because it was a sellable fight with marketable names.
Who would have qualified as more "major" at the time? (I'm not baiting here....just curious who you would have liked to have seen other than Cooney)....not sure there was a more profitable option....and it is called "Prize fighting" not "honor fighting". Got to make a livin' ya know.
Who could he have beaten at that time? And Who would have destroyed his chances of getting his big shot again?
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 08:05
by montrealsuper
Cooney was still dangerous and George was still kind of perceived as a circus sideshow. This fight gained Foreman a lot of respect and credibility. Cooney did not come to play he was out to gain respect and start a comeback. Big win for Foreman vs a hungry Cooney.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 16:05
by Ambling Alp II
Nile4000 wrote:Much respect to Qawi, but no way is he beating Galindez in his prime. Maybe not John Conteh, or Marvin Johnson either.
That isn't much respect to Qawi. He would have beaten all of them.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 18:30
by Tuan_Jim
Ambling Alp II wrote:Nile4000 wrote:Much respect to Qawi, but no way is he beating Galindez in his prime. Maybe not John Conteh, or Marvin Johnson either.
That isn't much respect to Qawi. He would have beaten all of them.
I would expect Qawi to chew those three up, and Yaqui Lopez to boot! That Nile is an odd fellow.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 15 Jun 2017, 14:47
by Nile4000
Tuan, you and Ambling both know that Victor, John, and.Marvin would have beaten Dwight. As well as Len Hutchins, Bob Foster, and Vonzell Johnson. He was lucky to catch Saad late. Him and Mustafa are a tossup.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 15 Jun 2017, 16:02
by Ambling Alp II
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 15 Jun 2017, 19:55
by Nile4000
Hey, they are legit fighters, as well as Lotte Mwale and Jorge Ahumada. These guys would done the trick.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 05:46
by Robinson
I always had an affection for Qawi as a fighter.
I can tell you from first hand experience that it is not easy taking a fight on short notice, while out of
shape against an in shape bigger foe. It sucks and is dangerous.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 07:43
by Autobarn
Qawi was excellent. The brilliant bobbing and weaving that got him to the top, he neglected once he'd won the title. Then he became more of a one dimensional puncher. Tremendous win over James Scott, a very strong and capable boxer, and great one sided pair of wins over Hall of Famer Saad Muhammad. But then the jab, the combinations and the bobbing and weaving stopped and he had that superb battle with Eddie Davis. He almost stopped Davis very early, then they went tooth and nail, in what looked an exhausting fight, before Qawi closed with a late stoppage. I just think Michael Spinks, with his size, mobility and awkwardness, was all wrong for the short Qawi in their disappointing unification fight.
Good wins inside the distance at cruiserweight over Craus and Leon Spinks - whom he gave a ferocious "revenge" beating - set up that all time classic fight with a young Holyfield. That was one savage and exhausting fight. Holyfield learned a great deal from it and Qawi was never the same again.
So it's trendy to claim his '70s predecessors would've all beaten him, eh? I'm not so sure about that one. Conteh, really? Marvin Johnson, tremendous warrior, who nonetheless struggled over the 15 rounds?
Also, you know the gym myths of old pros who battered up and coming greats? What Jerry Quarry did to George Foreman, Dwight Muhammad Qawi is said to have done to James Toney.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 09:10
by Nile4000
Conteh at his best beats Qawi. And Marvin Johnson would edge him.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 11:00
by Ambling Alp II
Can';t believe anyone who saw Qawi during his prime would say that. Conteh and Johnson were very good, but Qawi was on another level.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 11:02
by Ambling Alp II
Nile4000 wrote:Hey, they are legit fighters, as well as Lotte Mwale and Jorge Ahumada. These guys would done the trick.
What have you against Qawi? In what fight did he look remotely vulnerable to these guys or Len Hucthins, Vonzell Johnson? Ahumada was a good fighter, but no way does he beat Qawi. The rest of them get destroyed.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 11:30
by Tuan_Jim
Would they all take Evander Holyfield to hell too? Or even beat him? Would they too slug it out with Big George Foreman?
I don't think Nile quite appreciates what Qawi is doing in the ring. And Lottie Mwale beating Qawi is up there as a comment with Polecateddy's "Carl Thompson is an improved version of Rocky Marciano". Put it in the Boxers of the Past forum hall of shame.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 12:38
by Counter-puncher
Nile4000 wrote:Conteh at his best beats Qawi. And Marvin Johnson would edge him.
Nobody with Johnsons gas tank beats Qawi. Neither does the Conteh who went blow for blow with Ahumada for 15 rounds.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 12:55
by Tomasino
Tuan_Jim wrote:Would they all take Evander Holyfield to hell too? Or even beat him? Would they too slug it out with Big George Foreman?
I don't think Nile quite appreciates what Qawi is doing in the ring. And Lottie Mwale beating Qawi is up there as a comment with Polecateddy's "Carl Thompson is an improved version of Rocky Marciano". Put it in the Boxers of the Past forum hall of shame.
I remember that too well, sadly. He was a strange one, polecat.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 05:21
by Autobarn
EvanDer may have been inexperienced that night, but he had a huge gas tank, awesome handspeed and was far bigger than Qawi.
It was very close and while the right man won, Qawi did huge damage and almost ended Holyfield's career, such was the dehydration huge water loss during the fight and kidney damage to the "Real Deal." I always felt this, not the beating to Leon Spinks, was vindication for Qawi's poor performance against Michael Spinks. Greatness can be confirmed in defeat.
This was a bloated Qawi, no way in optimal shape versus Evander. And while I believe that was one tough fight too far for a blown up light heavy into his '30s, Qawi, I don't think a prime Marvin Johnson could take tha pace that Qawi fought that night, nor could he have withstood leather that heavy, and as such I have doubts Johnson could have lasted with him. No doubt a gruelling physical fight, probably a sensational battle but I would go with Qawi to break him down.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 10:10
by Tuan_Jim
I agree. With the Holyfield fight we glimpsed just how deep a well Qawi had to draw on. M. Spinks wisely avoided such a contest with the Buzzsaw. But through Holyfield, at cruiser, we see that Qawi had more than enough to deal with the likes of Johnson and Galindez et al, excellent fighters though they were.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 10:26
by Autobarn
Yes I would actually pick Qawi over Galindez. Galindez was a remarkable fighter but he was very on-off. But these - Galindez, Conteh, Johnson in prime versions - are, granted, very tough matchups that I'd nonetheless favour Qawi to win.
Re: Dwight Qawi talks about his fight with Big George
Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 16:55
by Autobarn
By the way Qawi v Foreman is grotesque. Neither came out looking good. Dwight should never have been up at heavyweight.