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squiggy wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:This Bhop ass kissing tour has been going on for 10 years now. I'm over it and been over it.

Now is Bernard Hopkins and ALL TIME GREAT boxer? No, I can't go there. The streak of title defenses and longevity gets him on the waiting list to the party but he's not getting in the door if it's my party. I'll point to his unappealing style and tactics inside the ring, the lack of opposition during his reign

Would that be the reign when he beat de la Hoya, Trinidad and Johnson, or the other reign, when he beat jones, tarver, wright, pavlik and pascal?

caldo2025 wrote:

squiggy wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:This Bhop ass kissing tour has been going on for 10 years now. I'm over it and been over it.

Now is Bernard Hopkins and ALL TIME GREAT boxer? No, I can't go there. The streak of title defenses and longevity gets him on the waiting list to the party but he's not getting in the door if it's my party. I'll point to his unappealing style and tactics inside the ring, the lack of opposition during his reign

Would that be the reign when he beat de la Hoya, Trinidad and Johnson, or the other reign, when he beat jones, tarver, wright, pavlik and pascal?

So Bhop beat a couple of welterweights that came up in weight at the end of their career. Big Deal. Does that mean that Terry Norris is great because he defeated SRL? You have to put more stock into the guys that Bhop defeated in their primes.

What most people don't remember with Bhop's career are the losses or how about when he faked that injury to get out of that first fight with Chad Dawson and then lost the rematch. How about when he took on Calzaghe? How about Bhop's inability to defeat J. Taylor in back to back fights? How did he do against prime Roy Jones Jr? Do you see where i'm going here?

Too many losses to too many people in their prime. We can't just let everyone be considered "GREAT". Why can't we just cal those people very good and leave the great for the top of the top.

Tanzio wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

squiggy wrote:
Would that be the reign when he beat de la Hoya, Trinidad and Johnson, or the other reign, when he beat jones, tarver, wright, pavlik and pascal?

So Bhop beat a couple of welterweights that came up in weight at the end of their career. Big Deal. Does that mean that Terry Norris is great because he defeated SRL? You have to put more stock into the guys that Bhop defeated in their primes.

What most people don't remember with Bhop's career are the losses or how about when he faked that injury to get out of that first fight with Chad Dawson and then lost the rematch. How about when he took on Calzaghe? How about Bhop's inability to defeat J. Taylor in back to back fights? How did he do against prime Roy Jones Jr? Do you see where i'm going here?

Too many losses to too many people in their prime. We can't just let everyone be considered "GREAT". Why can't we just cal those people very good and leave the great for the top of the top.

We can but BHop is not one of "those people." He is one of the GOATs.

gilgamesh wrote:A lot of people have always been critics of Hopkins calling him boring and all this, but I've always been fascinated by Hopkins' career and all he's accomplished since I started following the sport. He had just achieved his biggest win when I first started watching, the Tito victory, and I got to see him break the Middleweight title defense record, and then go on to become a 3 time Light Heavyweight Champion, and break the record for the Oldest Champion of all time both with a lineal title win, and with an alphabet title win.

What a career and journey it's been.

Boxing Writer wrote:Hopkins was boring and dirty fighter, but he was one of the greatest fighters of the last 30 years. I'd only put Floyd, Manny, Holyfield, Whitaker and RJJ ahead of him in that timespan.

Tanzio wrote:

diddy wrote:Sure he is. We will see.

Indeed we did.

All hail the GOAT and his legendary career and legendary exit from the ring

punchoutsb wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

diddy wrote:Sure he is. We will see.

Indeed we did.

All hail the GOAT and his legendary career and legendary exit from the ring

Now I understand where all the negativity towards Smith was coming from in the RBR

Tanzio wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Indeed we did.

All hail the GOAT and his legendary career and legendary exit from the ring

Now I understand where all the negativity towards Smith was coming from in the RBR

I am assuming that you are referring to diddy. I had not one negative word for Smith. I had him up 69-65.

caldo2025 wrote:

squiggy wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:This Bhop ass kissing tour has been going on for 10 years now. I'm over it and been over it.

Now is Bernard Hopkins and ALL TIME GREAT boxer? No, I can't go there. The streak of title defenses and longevity gets him on the waiting list to the party but he's not getting in the door if it's my party. I'll point to his unappealing style and tactics inside the ring, the lack of opposition during his reign

Would that be the reign when he beat de la Hoya, Trinidad and Johnson, or the other reign, when he beat jones, tarver, wright, pavlik and pascal?

So Bhop beat a couple of welterweights that came up in weight at the end of their career. Big Deal. Does that mean that Terry Norris is great because he defeated SRL? You have to put more stock into the guys that Bhop defeated in their primes.

What most people don't remember with Bhop's career are the losses or how about when he faked that injury to get out of that first fight with Chad Dawson and then lost the rematch. How about when he took on Calzaghe? How about Bhop's inability to defeat J. Taylor in back to back fights? How did he do against prime Roy Jones Jr? Do you see where i'm going here?

Too many losses to too many people in their prime. We can't just let everyone be considered "GREAT". Why can't we just cal those people very good and leave the great for the top of the top.

thechump wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

squiggy wrote:
Would that be the reign when he beat de la Hoya, Trinidad and Johnson, or the other reign, when he beat jones, tarver, wright, pavlik and pascal?

So Bhop beat a couple of welterweights that came up in weight at the end of their career. Big Deal. Does that mean that Terry Norris is great because he defeated SRL? You have to put more stock into the guys that Bhop defeated in their primes.

What most people don't remember with Bhop's career are the losses or how about when he faked that injury to get out of that first fight with Chad Dawson and then lost the rematch. How about when he took on Calzaghe? How about Bhop's inability to defeat J. Taylor in back to back fights? How did he do against prime Roy Jones Jr? Do you see where i'm going here?

Too many losses to too many people in their prime. We can't just let everyone be considered "GREAT". Why can't we just cal those people very good and leave the great for the top of the top.

I agree with everything you say caldo

Tanzio wrote:

thechump wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
So Bhop beat a couple of welterweights that came up in weight at the end of their career. Big Deal. Does that mean that Terry Norris is great because he defeated SRL? You have to put more stock into the guys that Bhop defeated in their primes.

What most people don't remember with Bhop's career are the losses or how about when he faked that injury to get out of that first fight with Chad Dawson and then lost the rematch. How about when he took on Calzaghe? How about Bhop's inability to defeat J. Taylor in back to back fights? How did he do against prime Roy Jones Jr? Do you see where i'm going here?

Too many losses to too many people in their prime. We can't just let everyone be considered "GREAT". Why can't we just cal those people very good and leave the great for the top of the top.

I agree with everything you say caldo

BHop is the top of the top.

Cloutov wrote:I never been the biggest fan of B-Hop but what he accomplished threw out is career is unbelievable Congrats on a amazing career. Hopefully we will see the Executionnor tomorrow for one big Au revoir.

Bricks wrote:

Cloutov wrote:I never been the biggest fan of B-Hop but what he accomplished threw out is career is unbelievable Congrats on a amazing career. Hopefully we will see the Executionnor tomorrow for one big Au revoir.

You got your arse over head au revoir now pal

diddy wrote:With the odds dropping to a playable -165 level I've placed a sizable $3500 wager on Bernard to win. I don't care if he's 60 yrs old. He's not losing to a one-dimensional, straight ahead boxing novice. Power alone has never beaten Bernard. Why would it now? Hopkins will throw 1-2 punches at a time and land almost everything he throws against this kid. Then smother Smith before he can return fire.

caldo2025 wrote:How about when he took on Calzaghe?

caldo2025 wrote:How about Bhop's inability to defeat J. Taylor in back to back fights?

squiggy wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:How about Bhop's inability to defeat J. Taylor in back to back fights?

...how about it? [edited to remove overzealous claim I probably shouldn't have made...] And I don't recall ever posting, "Hey guys, did you know Bernard Hopkins is retiring undefeated? Yep, never lost any fights to anybody. Just see if you can prove me wrong!"

squiggy wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:How about when he took on Calzaghe?

How about it? It was an extremely close fight. And he was like 45 at the time. What's your point?

squiggy wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:How about Bhop's inability to defeat J. Taylor in back to back fights?

...how about it? The second fight should have been scored for Hopkins. And I don't recall ever posting, "Hey guys, did you know Bernard Hopkins is retiring undefeated? Yep, never lost any fights to anybody. Just see if you can prove me wrong!"