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Back here on earth, Povetkin's PED abuse has cost Al, Wilder, Stiverne & the WBC a boatload of cash. Though Ryabinsky will end up paying off the fighters and Al, the WBC is screwed.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

world ranked wrote:
One site said the WBC did withdraw their sanctioning and the reason for Stiverne going home. He claimed there was no reason to fight without the WBC backing of the fight.

Please read the question posed by the thread title and you'll realise the reason for my answer. The WBC didn't remove their sanctioning of the bout until Povetkin failed the test.

So, the best question is: why didn't WBC remove their sanctioning in case of Stiverne testing positive and removed it when Povetkin tested positive? They seem to have an agenda.

Apparently you and a few others here don't read much, other than what is spewed on message boards. Stiverne inadvertently drank an energy drink, which was quickly checked out, verified, and realized it was not a PED. A simple over-the counter energy type drink. He drank it right in front of the testing people in order to help him urinate for the test, since it was recommended to him by the gym he works out at. Even after, he took full responsibility knowing he is responsible for what goes in his body. Why is that so hard to understand? FYI There are many drugs banned by WADA, and not all of them are considered performance enhancing...a lot of them are for the protection of the athlete. The two drugs that Povetkin has tested positive were definitely PEDS.

If you care to read about it in more depth...
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/1 ... etkin-held

Badhusker wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Please read the question posed by the thread title and you'll realise the reason for my answer. The WBC didn't remove their sanctioning of the bout until Povetkin failed the test.

So, the best question is: why didn't WBC remove their sanctioning in case of Stiverne testing positive and removed it when Povetkin tested positive? They seem to have an agenda.

Apparently you and a few others here don't read much, other than what is spewed on message boards. Stiverne inadvertently drank an energy drink, which was quickly checked out, verified, and realized it was not a PED. A simple over-the counter energy type drink. He drank it right in front of the testing people in order to help him urinate for the test, since it was recommended to him by the gym he works out at. Even after, he took full responsibility knowing he is responsible for what goes in his body. Why is that so hard to understand? FYI There are many drugs banned by WADA, and not all of them are considered performance enhancing...a lot of them are for the protection of the athlete. The two drugs that Povetkin has tested positive were definitely PEDS.

If you care to read about it in more depth...
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/1 ... etkin-held

Meldonium is about just as much of a PED as an aspirin. If you're hungry, a hamburger from MCDONALD'S is more effective.

montrealsuper wrote:Because Stiverne is a puppet of Haymon and Povetkin is a man's man. Let's hope Ryabinsky fights this treachery and corruption and we can finally see Wilder vs Povetkin, the fight that terrifies Haymon. If Haymon loses Wilder he has nothing. Because Spence and Stevenson are years and years away from being big selling attractions.

Haymon isn't concerned about any one fighter because he has 150 of them and gets 10% of all of them.. Look how active Gary Russell, the world's best featherweight has been. He's fighting a lame opponent once a year. Spence is one of the best talents in the world and so is Beterbiev... WTF is he doing with all those guys so far??? Is Wilder closing in on a big money fight? Not when you slide him past Povetkin.. Slide him past Ortiz.. Slide him past Haye.. Everybody in the world wants to see competitive fights where you don't know who the winner will be.. They don't want to see Spence versus Bradley, but it's better than Spence blowing away Chris Algieri.. Spence vs Thurman is a fight I want to see..

You don't want to see corrupt judging turning everybody off. Fans swear off on Boxing as a dirtbag sport when they see outrageous robberies that follow lame promotions like Kovalev-Ward.. That should have been the best and most anticipated fight in many years if it was done right.. It sure as Hell wasn't Golovkin-Lemieux, but it didn't do sh!t.. The May-Pac fight was so bad that it destroyed PPV for a few years I think... That fight should have been Leonard-Duran 1 -- but neither fighter made the least effort to fight.

Very good fights are possible with the talent that's out there right now---but they're not happening.. Look what Tex Rickard did with fighters like Jack Dempsey.. There are plenty of great fighters right now. There are no promoters and there are no deal makers..

VADA criminally misrepresented trace amounts of Meldonium as a test that didn't pass... It's easy to have a tiny trace but allowable trace of some PED in your system that amounts to a few nanograms...and not have any idea in the world how it got there.. You might have gotten it from eating a couple steaks, a chicken, or some roast beef in a restaurant.. If VADA wants you gone they can infer you didn't pass the test when you DID just by saying you had a trace in your system.. They should NOT be testing Sample B when they're not asked to test it either.. Somebody else needs to test it.. Somebody who doesn't screw it up.. That's what happened to Povetkin.. They admitted he passed easily.. And it seems to be happening all the time now with VADA.. How many foreign born fighters have they claimed didn't pass lately??? Bute, Stiverne, Povetkin, Browne, it seems to be happening all the time with these bastards.

Most of haymon's stable are dead wood, wilder is the crown jewel right now. and just like how he protected floyd from ever losing, he will MAKE SURE TO PROTECT WILDER FROM EVER LOSING BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. If he has to pay off VADA to frame Povetkin with a fake positive test, haymon is the kind of corrupt filthy animal to do just that. Haymon is a megalomaniac who will do anything for greed and power and to maintain his power and leverage. Arum said Haymon framing pac with a fake USADA test in 2010 is one of the reasons they refused to fight floyd mayweather back in 2010.

Badhusker wrote:Apparently you and a few others here don't read much, other than what is spewed on message boards. Stiverne inadvertently drank an energy drink, which was quickly checked out, verified, and realized it was not a PED.

Bermane Stiverne consumed a banned substance, failed a drug test, subsequently received a $75,000 fine and will be banned indefinitely if he fails another test.

Stiverne failed the test for the banned substance methylhexaneamine, a stimulant also known as dimethyamylamine or DMAA. It can promote mental and physical performance and aid weight loss.

Former boxing world champion, Enzo Maccarinelli, received a ban for consuming the same performance enhancing substance that Bermane took, even though he cited the same excuses Stiverne used.

Do you care to question my reading ability or do you prefer to continue understating the severity of Stiverne's infractions to the forum?

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Apparently you and a few others here don't read much, other than what is spewed on message boards. Stiverne inadvertently drank an energy drink, which was quickly checked out, verified, and realized it was not a PED.

Bermane Stiverne consumed a banned substance, failed a drug test, subsequently received a $75,000 fine and will be banned indefinitely if he fails another test.

Stiverne failed the test for the banned substance methylhexaneamine, a stimulant also known as dimethyamylamine or DMAA. It can promote mental and physical performance and aid weight loss.

Former boxing world champion, Enzo Maccarinelli, received a ban for consuming the same performance enhancing substance that Bermane took, even though he cited the same excuses Stiverne used.

Do you care to question my reading ability or do you prefer to continue understating the severity of Stiverne's infractions to the forum?

Keep in mind Enlightened-One, you are trying to get a point across with arguably the dumbest mfer on the forum.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Apparently you and a few others here don't read much, other than what is spewed on message boards. Stiverne inadvertently drank an energy drink, which was quickly checked out, verified, and realized it was not a PED.

Bermane Stiverne consumed a banned substance, failed a drug test, subsequently received a $75,000 fine and will be banned indefinitely if he fails another test.

Stiverne failed the test for the banned substance methylhexaneamine, a stimulant also known as dimethyamylamine or DMAA. It can promote mental and physical performance and aid weight loss.

Former boxing world champion, Enzo Maccarinelli, received a ban for consuming the same performance enhancing substance that Bermane took, even though he cited the same excuses Stiverne used.

Do you care to question my reading ability or do you prefer to continue understating the severity of Stiverne's infractions to the forum?

It can be found in pre workouts - https://www.musclerage.co.uk/articles/A ... ents-Back/

Enlightened-One wrote:...

Stiverne failed the test for the banned substance methylhexaneamine, a stimulant also known as dimethyamylamine or DMAA. It can promote mental and physical performance and aid weight loss.

Former boxing world champion, Enzo Maccarinelli, received a ban for consuming the same performance enhancing substance that Bermane took, even though he cited the same excuses Stiverne used.

"It can promote mental and physical performance and aid weight loss."


So can coffee. I'm sick of this phony "war on drugs" crap.

Why didn't they let Fury fight Wlad high on Cocaine?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Back here on earth, Povetkin's PED abuse has cost Al, Wilder, Stiverne & the WBC a boatload of cash. Though Ryabinsky will end up paying off the fighters and Al, the WBC is screwed.

Don't worry to WBC. Riabinsky already paid them tons of cash to rank his boxer while other ABC ignored Povetkin after his disgrace vs Klitchko

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
So, the best question is: why didn't WBC remove their sanctioning in case of Stiverne testing positive and removed it when Povetkin tested positive? They seem to have an agenda.

Povetkin just tested dirty before his last scheduled fight. Unlike yours, their agenda appears to be not to suck off the pillow fisted little Russian.

He did not test dirty in the first case. His level of meldonium was below the threshold legal at that time, and he was fully cleared.

No, he was not. Read WBC ruling (on WBC site).

lefty wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Apparently you and a few others here don't read much, other than what is spewed on message boards. Stiverne inadvertently drank an energy drink, which was quickly checked out, verified, and realized it was not a PED.

Bermane Stiverne consumed a banned substance, failed a drug test, subsequently received a $75,000 fine and will be banned indefinitely if he fails another test.

Stiverne failed the test for the banned substance methylhexaneamine, a stimulant also known as dimethyamylamine or DMAA. It can promote mental and physical performance and aid weight loss.

Former boxing world champion, Enzo Maccarinelli, received a ban for consuming the same performance enhancing substance that Bermane took, even though he cited the same excuses Stiverne used.

Do you care to question my reading ability or do you prefer to continue understating the severity of Stiverne's infractions to the forum?

It can be found in pre workouts - https://www.musclerage.co.uk/articles/A ... ents-Back/

Interesting article, but it doesn’t really undermine any of the facts listed in the above post, if that’s what your aim was by supplying the URL… As a professional sportsman, Stiverne shouldn’t really be interested in questioning the correctness of a drug being banned… instead, he should only concern himself with the fact he shouldn’t consume it, because the implications are obvious.

x2x wrote:"It can promote mental and physical performance and aid weight loss."

So can coffee. I'm sick of this phony "war on drugs" crap.

Then follow a different professional sport whereby PED’s aren’t banned.

It seems that no one has made any effort to directly undermine any of the points listed in my post, which is probably because people know that I’ve simply listed facts that are irrefutable in nature. Badhusker – do you care to try to defend your stance?

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Apparently you and a few others here don't read much, other than what is spewed on message boards. Stiverne inadvertently drank an energy drink, which was quickly checked out, verified, and realized it was not a PED.

Bermane Stiverne consumed a banned substance, failed a drug test, subsequently received a $75,000 fine and will be banned indefinitely if he fails another test.

Stiverne failed the test for the banned substance methylhexaneamine, a stimulant also known as dimethyamylamine or DMAA. It can promote mental and physical performance and aid weight loss.

Former boxing world champion, Enzo Maccarinelli, received a ban for consuming the same performance enhancing substance that Bermane took, even though he cited the same excuses Stiverne used.

Do you care to question my reading ability or do you prefer to continue understating the severity of Stiverne's infractions to the forum?

Keep in mind Enlightened-One, you are trying to get a point across with arguably the dumbest mfer on the forum.

You basically repeated some of what I said, but left out the part of Stiverne inadvertently taking it right in front of the tester, admitting fault, accepting responsibility, and cooperating 100% with WBC. Thank you for re-girgitating the info I provided in order to sound educated.
It is obvious that what he drank to help urinate was not taken knowing it contained a banned substance or anything close to what Povetkin took. The WBC understated the severity of the infraction considering the circumstance, thus gave out a fine. I know you can read, but comprehending is apparently not your strong suit. I didn't say Stiverne was not guilty of consuming a banned substance.

I'll consider you on the level of asdfjkl and a few others, that argue for the sake of arguing.

Badhusker wrote: You basically repeated some of what I said, but left out the part of Stiverne inadvertently taking it right in front of the tester, admitting fault, accepting responsibility, and cooperating 100% with WBC. Thank you for re-girgitating the info I provided in order to sound educated.
It is obvious that what he drank to help urinate was not taken knowing it contained a banned substance or anything close to what Povetkin took. The WBC understated the severity of the infraction considering the circumstance, thus gave out a fine. I know you can read, but comprehending is apparently not your strong suit. I didn't say Stiverne was not guilty of consuming a banned substance.

I'll consider you on the level of asdfjkl and a few others, that argue for the sake of arguing.

I was only concerned about addressing the following paragraph, since it was part of the only post you’ve submitted on this thread:

Badhusker wrote:Apparently you and a few others here don't read much, other than what is spewed on message boards. Stiverne inadvertently drank an energy drink, which was quickly checked out, verified, and realized it was not a PED.

This was a bizarre claim.

Also, in regards to me regurgitating info., perhaps that is true, but I did not repeat anything that you had personally written, since you contradicted a good portion of the detail contained within the article you supplied.

I don’t argue for the sake of arguing. You fired the first insulting shot, so it’s naïve to not expect some form of retaliation.

haymon has an alliance with the wbc -

montrealsuper wrote:haymon has an alliance with the wbc -

I’ve just realised that the last 25 posts you’ve submitted in this forum over the last four days have been predominantly about Al Haymon.

I think you’re on some sort of futile slanderous anti-Haymon crusade.

Enlightened-One wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:haymon has an alliance with the wbc -

I’ve just realised that the last 25 posts you’ve submitted in this forum over the last four days have been predominantly about Al Haymon.

I think you’re on some sort of futile slanderous anti-Haymon crusade.

The truth is hate to those who hate the truth

If you cant realize or see the OBVIOUS pattern that Haymon protects his key fighters (floyd stevenson garcia spence wilder broner etc) then you aren't very bright - Haymon is a corrupt crook who will do anything to keep and grow his power - just like malignaggi warned us: "Al haymon can manipulate (FIX) anything - what al haymon wants al haymon gets" - that pauly quote before he later sold his soul to haymon quoted before the broner fight is all you need to know about al haymon - and only a fool would think haymon plays fair and clean -

there is a reason why haymon never shows himself in public and never does any interviews - obviously this filthy corrupt crook has a lot he wants to hide -

Enlightened-One wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:haymon has an alliance with the wbc -

I’ve just realised that the last 25 posts you’ve submitted in this forum over the last four days have been predominantly about Al Haymon.

I think you’re on some sort of futile slanderous anti-Haymon crusade.

He doesn't like Haymon. Hayman is one of those educated uppity "ones."

bigman1968 wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Povetkin just tested dirty before his last scheduled fight. Unlike yours, their agenda appears to be not to suck off the pillow fisted little Russian.

He did not test dirty in the first case. His level of meldonium was below the threshold legal at that time, and he was fully cleared.

No, he was not. Read WBC ruling (on WBC site).

That once again proves that WBC has an agenda. WADA meldonium ruling cleared everybody who had levels below X before date Y.

Badhusker wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Please read the question posed by the thread title and you'll realise the reason for my answer. The WBC didn't remove their sanctioning of the bout until Povetkin failed the test.

So, the best question is: why didn't WBC remove their sanctioning in case of Stiverne testing positive and removed it when Povetkin tested positive? They seem to have an agenda.

Apparently you and a few others here don't read much, other than what is spewed on message boards. Stiverne inadvertently drank an energy drink, which was quickly checked out, verified, and realized it was not a PED. A simple over-the counter energy type drink. He drank it right in front of the testing people in order to help him urinate for the test, since it was recommended to him by the gym he works out at. Even after, he took full responsibility knowing he is responsible for what goes in his body. Why is that so hard to understand? FYI There are many drugs banned by WADA, and not all of them are considered performance enhancing...a lot of them are for the protection of the athlete. The two drugs that Povetkin has tested positive were definitely PEDS.

If you care to read about it in more depth...
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/1 ... etkin-held

Really? And you believe that childish bull? Does Stiverne has prostate issues at his young age? Does Canelo? Why do they have problems peeing all of a sudden?

Did you see the shape of Stiverne at the Povetkin weigh in? He looked awful fat and out of shape - as if he knew there was no reason to get in top shape because there would be no fight - it was the biggest fight of stivernes career and his last chance and he showed up like a fat slob - Stiverne knew the scheme was to frame povetkin again and he didn't train - I have zero doubt of this -

What they took was nothing alike.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylhexanamine A stimulant (The same thing Whyte used)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enobosarm Developed to treat muscle wasting, AFAIK it's only used in doping outside of scientific studies.