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Impractical Poster wrote:European fighters have some rabid fans.

I take offence to that mate

montrealsuper wrote:Stiverne got caught cheating with an illegal drug - period - end of discussion

A 5 hour energy drink (Stiverne) vs taking Ostarine (Povetkin). Pretty much the same, right?

Badhusker wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Stiverne got caught cheating with an illegal drug - period - end of discussion

A 5 hour energy drink (Stiverne) vs taking Ostarine (Povetkin). Pretty much the same, right?

Stop repeating your bullshit about the energy drink.

Are we supposed to believe Stiverne's illegal drug came from an energy drink? Regardless, Cheating is Cheating. Stiverne broke the rules, even if his illegal drug was in a gatorade bottle. If we are supposed to believe his excuse.

Were we supposed to believe Roy Jones positive steroids test came from a "nasal decongestant" which was later revised to over the counter product "Ripped Fuel"?

Why do so many dolts believe every excuse they are told?

Ryabinsky talks about the situation in this Russian-language article:
http://m.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/947411

A few moments:
- Duhaupas was contacted ahead of time, because Ryabinsky has complex relations with King (won a court case against him) and didn't fully believe that the fight was happening
- Duhaupas arrived a couple days before the fight, but his luggage got lost which explains his tennis shoes (they couldn't find boxing shoes of his huge size in Ecaterinburg)
- Sulaiman didn't object if Stiverne fight would happen without the belt on the line
- Team Stiverne first demanded additional $500K for participation, but then stopped negotiations and left.

Another article: https://www.championat.com/boxing/artic ... tkina.html

- The positive result was for Dec 6th test; Dec 15th test results are unknown
- B sample for Dec 6th test is still to be open.

Kalan wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: Yes the powers that be desperately want a black american KO machine that they can sell to the public - they are trying to manufacture wilder into a counterfeit super hero via fixing protection and corruption (the Carnera model) - do you really think the ultra greedy al haymon is going to take any chances in blowing up this grand scheme by risking wilder to losing to povetkin or one of his handpicked patsies? Absolutely not - they will do ANYTHING to get rid of povetkin - ANYTHING

Explain why they were telling Stiverne Tuesday before the fight if he backs out they already have a replacement. The facts certainly point to team Povetkin already knowing they would test dirty. Wilder and Haymon have nothing to do with Povetkin testing dirty, or Stiverne. Get a grip.

You can't trust VADA.. They admitted they were wrong when they accused Povetkin of testing "adversely" for Meldonium... He didn't... VADA is a rip off of WADA.. They're the keystone cops and they're a group of criminals running a scam.. They cut deals with the WBC to force boxers to take their "voluntary" tests.. Then they tell boxers they're positive for this PED or that, for which they probably have only an allowable trace amount, but let them skate for a fine or "donations" which they can go ahead and fight if it's paid promptly.

Not accurate, vada don't and never have passed any such punitive measures or allowed folks to 'skate' for a fine or 'donations'. They simply report the test findings from their procedures to the relevant sanctioning body.

BitPlayer wrote:Anyone bring up Stivern's test is either uninformed or dishonest.

The difference is Stivern tested positive fairly common stinulant, banned for it's health risks. Povetkin tested positive for something similar to anabolic steroids.

Stiverne probably had a negligible amount dimethyamylamine in him.. It's not a stimulant, It's a muscle recovery product.. He said it was in SuperPharm which you take following a strength workout not before sparring to heighten your reactions.. They fined him 75,000 dollars and he has no idea if it was illegal, or if it was a trace amount because the only firm doing the testing is VADA.. but the problem I have is there's hundreds of drugs and substances on the banned list.. If you test positive you should get to go to an accredited lab of your choice with Sample B.. Don't tell the world I'm dirty and fine me 75,000 dollars before Sample B is even tested.. Also VADA could adulterate the sample so another lab finds the exact same result.. I have a problem with privately run testing companies and their quality control.. They can be bribed and bought.. They have an incentive to find dirty tests. They can fudge results so they get their fine money, their "donations" and whatever else they can squeeze out of the boxer.. They can conspire with corrupt promoters, orgs, and fighters to target foreign boxers or any opponent to try to destroy foreign venues and competition.

Why any boxer would take a muscle recovery product is beyond me. There's bound to be banned drugs in it. Povetkin tested for Ostarine. That's a SARM and the one Bute, Browne, and Lawlor's so-called positive tests turned up. These guys say they have no idea what Ostarine even is, but it's kind of funny that the last test on the last day was the one that caught Browne, Bute, and Povetkin and the others were clean. They had no chance to reverse the result. Why publicize the result before the B Sample is tested??? Notify the boxer privately and give him options before you smear his reputation again -- when you were completely WRONG the first time. He passed all his tests you claim he failed. You were forced to acquit him and admit you were wrong.

T w_savage wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Badhusker wrote:
Explain why they were telling Stiverne Tuesday before the fight if he backs out they already have a replacement. The facts certainly point to team Povetkin already knowing they would test dirty. Wilder and Haymon have nothing to do with Povetkin testing dirty, or Stiverne. Get a grip.

You can't trust VADA.. They admitted they were wrong when they accused Povetkin of testing "adversely" for Meldonium... He didn't... VADA is a rip off of WADA.. They're the keystone cops and they're a group of criminals running a scam.. They cut deals with the WBC to force boxers to take their "voluntary" tests.. Then they tell boxers they're positive for this PED or that, for which they probably have only an allowable trace amount, but let them skate for a fine or "donations" which they can go ahead and fight if it's paid promptly.

Not accurate, vada don't and never have passed any such punitive measures or allowed folks to 'skate' for a fine or 'donations'. They simply report the test findings from their procedures to the relevant sanctioning body.

Bullcrap.. They're in like Flynn with the WBC.. They're working hand-in-hand with the WBC and corrupt promoters.. They're a band of criminals coordinating with each other.. So they in effect are sharing the proceeds.. They shouldn't be the only lab testing WBC Title Fights.. The boxer should be allowed to select the accredited lab of his choice because VADA lies -- and they issues false findings and reports.. And if they did it before why wouldn't they do it again... Before they're allowed to issue findings Sample B needs to be taken to another lab and tested by honest, competent, and professional technicians.

Kalan wrote:

T w_savage wrote:

Kalan wrote:
You can't trust VADA.. They admitted they were wrong when they accused Povetkin of testing "adversely" for Meldonium... He didn't... VADA is a rip off of WADA.. They're the keystone cops and they're a group of criminals running a scam.. They cut deals with the WBC to force boxers to take their "voluntary" tests.. Then they tell boxers they're positive for this PED or that, for which they probably have only an allowable trace amount, but let them skate for a fine or "donations" which they can go ahead and fight if it's paid promptly.

Not accurate, vada don't and never have passed any such punitive measures or allowed folks to 'skate' for a fine or 'donations'. They simply report the test findings from their procedures to the relevant sanctioning body.

Bullcrap.. They're in like Flynn with the WBC.. They're working hand-in-hand with the WBC and corrupt promoters.. They're a band of criminals coordinating with each other.. So they in effect are sharing the proceeds.. They shouldn't be the only lab testing WBC Title Fights.. The boxer should be allowed to select the accredited lab of his choice because VADA lies -- and they issues false findings and reports.. And if they did it before why wouldn't they do it again... Before they're allowed to issue findings Sample B needs to be taken to another lab and tested by honest, competent, and professional technicians.

it's all a conspiracy

Your version of events sound more fun I have to admit..

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:When did anyone own up to using PED'S

This.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:When did anyone own up to using PED'S

This.

I believe Mosley did.

Badhusker wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:When did anyone own up to using PED'S

This.

I believe Mosley did.

Mosley didn't... He said Victor Conte framed him and he had no idea what was in "the clear" or "the cream" I believe his lawsuit against Conte was settled with non-disclosure agreements about how much Mosley got in the settlement.

Fernando Vargas admitted it... Roy Jones admitted it... Lamont Peterson did, but he said he was naturally anemic in testosterone and that's why he was taking it, not to cheat his opponent... Andre Berto did, but blamed Victor Conte a chief VADA guy for fkking him... Luis Ortiz did, but said it was in the horse meat he ate, because they inject horses with it and he didn't know that... Tarver admitted it, but he said it was an accident... Erik Morales admitted it, but said it all came from contaminated food he ate in a restaurant... Dillian Whyte admitted it, but said it was an accident and nothing he did deliberately... Bute and Browne were both flabbergasted and didn't know how in Hell they tested for Ostarine. They insisted they would never cheat in a million years.

Kalan wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
This.

I believe Mosley did.

Mosley didn't... He said Victor Conte framed him and he had no idea what was in "the clear" or "the cream" I believe his lawsuit against Conte was settled with non-disclosure agreements about how much Mosley got in the settlement.

Fernando Vargas admitted it... Roy Jones admitted it... Lamont Peterson did, but he said he was naturally anemic in testosterone and that's why he was taking it, not to cheat his opponent... Andre Berto did, but blamed Victor Conte a chief VADA guy for fkking him... Luis Ortiz did, but said it was in the horse meat he ate, because they inject horses with it and he didn't know that... Tarver admitted it, but he said it was an accident... Erik Morales admitted it, but said it all came from contaminated food he ate in a restaurant... Dillian Whyte admitted it, but said it was an accident and nothing he did deliberately... Bute and Browne were both flabbergasted and didn't know how in Hell they tested for Ostarine. They insisted they would never cheat in a million years.

TRUE

fornicating idiots on this board think just because it was found in an energy drink Stiverne had a good excuse?

Sometimes these fornicating substances can be used as a masking agent. No doubt Stiverne was out of his mind on roids.

The banned substance WASN'T in any energy drink Stiverne consumed... It was in a "post workout supplement" that he took after a strength Workout.

Kalan wrote:The banned substance WASN'T in any energy drink Stiverne consumed... It was in a "post workout supplement" that he took after a strength Workout.

Sure. The banned substances was likely in the roids he took.

Kalan wrote:The banned substance WASN'T in any energy drink Stiverne consumed... It was in a "post workout supplement" that he took after a strength Workout.

According to the WBC, Stiverne informed officials that he took a dietary supplement called SUPERPHARM in front of a WBC sample collector in order to “facilitate urination.” Stiverne also admitted to taking it “twice” because the “supplement staff at EOS Gym in Henderson, Nevada recommended it to him,” the WBC said in its statement.

DMAA is sold currently as a dietary supplement and as an ingredient is various energy preparations. Due to safety concerns, DMAA has been temporarily removed from military stores in the US. Its use has been linked to several reports of serious, life-threatening side effects which appears to be the main reason why the World Anti-Doping Agency added DMAA to its prohibited substances list in 2010.

'He reported the ingestion of that supplement in the declaration of medication use section of the doping control form he filled in connection with the test.'

"There is no evidence that Stiverne intentionally or even knowingly ingested a banned substance with the purpose of enhancing his performance in any fashion. Stiverne's ingestion of DMAA was purely accidental."

Maybe Povetkin should have reported the injestion of ostarine, and the WBC may have went easier on him.

Badhusker wrote:

Kalan wrote:The banned substance WASN'T in any energy drink Stiverne consumed... It was in a "post workout supplement" that he took after a strength Workout.

According to the WBC, Stiverne informed officials that he took a dietary supplement called SUPERPHARM in front of a WBC sample collector in order to “facilitate urination.” Stiverne also admitted to taking it “twice” because the “supplement staff at EOS Gym in Henderson, Nevada recommended it to him,” the WBC said in its statement.

DMAA is sold currently as a dietary supplement and as an ingredient is various energy preparations. Due to safety concerns, DMAA has been temporarily removed from military stores in the US. Its use has been linked to several reports of serious, life-threatening side effects which appears to be the main reason why the World Anti-Doping Agency added DMAA to its prohibited substances list in 2010.

'He reported the ingestion of that supplement in the declaration of medication use section of the doping control form he filled in connection with the test.'

"There is no evidence that Stiverne intentionally or even knowingly ingested a banned substance with the purpose of enhancing his performance in any fashion. Stiverne's ingestion of DMAA was purely accidental."

Maybe Povetkin should have reported the injestion of ostarine, and the WBC may have went easier on him.

And of course WBC believed everything he said

Povetkin is worth bank to the wbc. The conspiracy theories against him are hilarious.

Well, it's obvious that Stiverne is using all kinds of doping, and it doesn't even seem to be that surprising any more that he was dehydrated (or whatever the excuse) against Wilder at the time. On the other side, Povetkin seems to be 100% innocent. All the lie detectors, the history, everything suggests that the WBC want him out of their list no matter how perfectly he's following all the rules.

asdfjkl wrote:Well, it's obvious that Stiverne is using all kinds of doping,

That's interesting. Do you have any kind of proof of this?

Badhusker wrote:

Kalan wrote:The banned substance WASN'T in any energy drink Stiverne consumed... It was in a "post workout supplement" that he took after a strength Workout.

According to the WBC, Stiverne informed officials that he took a dietary supplement called SUPERPHARM in front of a WBC sample collector in order to “facilitate urination.” Stiverne also admitted to taking it “twice” because the “supplement staff at EOS Gym in Henderson, Nevada recommended it to him,” the WBC said in its statement.

DMAA is sold currently as a dietary supplement and as an ingredient is various energy preparations. Due to safety concerns, DMAA has been temporarily removed from military stores in the US. Its use has been linked to several reports of serious, life-threatening side effects which appears to be the main reason why the World Anti-Doping Agency added DMAA to its prohibited substances list in 2010.

'He reported the ingestion of that supplement in the declaration of medication use section of the doping control form he filled in connection with the test.'

"There is no evidence that Stiverne intentionally or even knowingly ingested a banned substance with the purpose of enhancing his performance in any fashion. Stiverne's ingestion of DMAA was purely accidental."

Maybe Povetkin should have reported the injestion of ostarine, and the WBC may have went easier on him.

He didn't ingest Ostarine you dumb bunny... All his tests were 100% clean and the "adverse" one probably could easily have come from a test tube that was contaminated with Ostarine... There wasn't a fraction enough Ostarine in Povetkin's system for any possible athletic enhancement... VADA seems to have targeted Povetkin and deliberately contaminated 1 sample because all his others were totally devoid of Ostarine... That just never happens so something underhanded is up with VADA.. The B sample has not been tested yet, but the A and B test come from the same test tube. They are separated and put into separate storage containers in case one testing procedure was done in a faulty manner -- and comes up with a false positive (this happens) so you do another test to confirm or negate the previous result -- but if the sample was adulterated in the first place the both A and B will give a false positive.

Bermane Stiverne deliberately too an supplement that lends to better and faster muscle recovery which enhances athletic performance... It contained dimethyamylamine, which is listed right on the label... That PED has been banned from Boxing for 7 years and Stiverne had many times the allowable concentration in his sample. But the WBC allowed him to go ahead with the fight because he's a North American... Povetkin had 100 times less than the allowable concentration so the most probable cause for his positive result was contamination -- since he swears he never took anything containing Ostarine... VADA messed up and lied about his testing results in the past---but he was again roundly condemned because he's a Russian and the whole idea was to destroy Ryabinsky's promotion and destroy Russia as a competitive venue for Heavyweight Championship Fights.

And the idea that Stiverne took a banned muscle recovery drug that's been banned for 7 years to “facilitate urination" is beyond stupid.

Why can't they (Povetkin,Stiverne,,etc) just get re tested from another independent agency or a lab that has no ties with Boxing.