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I think he's very good, let's just hope that none of his supporters are critical of Spence.

I said when I first saw him, damn here is a guy that can match Kovalev in power, physical strength, and toughness. He is a wrecking ball, and with the right experience I bet he could beat Sergei. Problem is the timing. Kovalev has already developed a great jab, good ability from the outside, good footwork, and learned how to adjust to anything. Artur is still a bit stiff, loves to head hunt, and hasn't yet faced any current top guys so it's hard to say where he stands. I still think he is the biggest threat to Kovalev or Ward. Guy is a monster.

he's good enough that slappin soggy will continue to duck him

Continue? Ward? How long as he been ducking beterbiev? Really? How can you even type that?

Tanzio wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:He is 32 years old, and his career for what ever reason injury, boxing politics whatever has not taken off at all. It is often brought up that he beat Kovalev in the amateurs and is way better than Kovalev. That may be true but Kovalev has already had a great pro career with multiple memorable fights against Pascal, Hopkins, and Ward. Meanwhile Beterbiev next fight is against Isidro Ranoni Prieto a fighter I have never heard of.

I hope Beterbiev does have a great pro career against great opponents, but this hasn't happened yet and at 32 the clock is ticking.

Beterbiev has proven nothing.

Stopping Prieto in 1 and being the first to stop Cloud is impressive. Anyone who doesn't know Prieto should stop posting here. Prieto gave Alvarez, #1 contender for Stevenson's title, a tough fight.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:He is 32 years old, and his career for what ever reason injury, boxing politics whatever has not taken off at all. It is often brought up that he beat Kovalev in the amateurs and is way better than Kovalev. That may be true but Kovalev has already had a great pro career with multiple memorable fights against Pascal, Hopkins, and Ward. Meanwhile Beterbiev next fight is against Isidro Ranoni Prieto a fighter I have never heard of.

I hope Beterbiev does have a great pro career against great opponents, but this hasn't happened yet and at 32 the clock is ticking.

Beterbiev has proven nothing.

Stopping Prieto in 1 and being the first to stop Cloud is impressive. Anyone who doesn't know Prieto should stop posting here. Prieto gave Alvarez, #1 contender for Stevenson's title, a tough fight.

Fvck you and your hall monitor status. I don't give two squirts that Beterbiev knocked out a guy who gave the guy who is a retired guy's bridesmaid a fight. Beterbiev is loooong overdue. He is nothing but potential at the moment. Cloud, ffs? That was like ktfo a broken weeble wobble.

I think that Beterbiev can accomplish some significant things. There is significant distant between can do and done.

Tanzio wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Beterbiev has proven nothing.

Stopping Prieto in 1 and being the first to stop Cloud is impressive. Anyone who doesn't know Prieto should stop posting here. Prieto gave Alvarez, #1 contender for Stevenson's title, a tough fight.

Fvck you and your hall monitor status. I don't give two squirts that Beterbiev knocked out a guy who gave the guy who is a retired guy's bridesmaid a fight. Beterbiev is loooong overdue. He is nothing but potential at the moment. Cloud, ffs? That was like ktfo a broken weeble wobble.

I think that Beterbiev can accomplish some significant things. There is significant distant between can do and done.

He KtFO Cloud in like his 5th pro fight (IIRC). I'm hall monitor because it seems I have to clean up this forum as there are tons of people who know lick about the sport and are opinionated.

. . . and I do recognize that Beterbiev has only had 10 fights. Relative to that number of professional fights he has accomplished plenty. Not as much as Lomassiah but plenty.

But we are talking world level professional accomplishment that many conclude is a given for him. It is not. That is not specifically his fault and I am not suggesting that he should immediately go from fighting 40 something rated boxers to challenging Krusher in his 12th fight. I am saying that he has proven nothing at top level yet. Maybe his team feels he is not quite ready yet. I respect that.

Tanzio wrote:. . . and I do recognize that Beterbiev has only had 10 fights. Relative to that number of professional fights he has accomplished plenty. Not as much as Lomassiah but plenty.

But we are talking world level professional accomplishment that many conclude is a given for him. It is not. That is not specifically his fault and I am not suggesting that he should immediately go from fighting 40 something rated boxers to challenging Krusher in his 12th fight. I am saying that he has proven nothing at top level yet. Maybe his team feels he is not quite ready yet. I respect that.

How can you say he has proven nothing? That's beyond dumb. A guy that KtFO 2 former world champions and beat a very game fighter in Prieto is very much something. And lol at following BoxRec ratings like they matter. Prieto is a very good fighter, and Beterbiev stopping him in 1 is a statement that he's very much a proven fighter.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Stopping Prieto in 1 and being the first to stop Cloud is impressive. Anyone who doesn't know Prieto should stop posting here. Prieto gave Alvarez, #1 contender for Stevenson's title, a tough fight.

Fvck you and your hall monitor status. I don't give two squirts that Beterbiev knocked out a guy who gave the guy who is a retired guy's bridesmaid a fight. Beterbiev is loooong overdue. He is nothing but potential at the moment. Cloud, ffs? That was like ktfo a broken weeble wobble.

I think that Beterbiev can accomplish some significant things. There is significant distant between can do and done.

He KtFO Cloud in like his 5th pro fight (IIRC). I'm hall monitor because it seems I have to clean up this forum as there are tons of people who know lick about the sport and are opinionated.

What does ktfo a fighter who had been thoroughly exposed and was cashing out for pocket change have to do with top level accomplishment?

You are a b!tch who thinks way too much of herself.

Beterbiev has accomplished zip until he does so against relevant competition. What happens if the next no hoper plants him?

Spence is in a similar position more than 10 fights later, with the exception that he has fought a bit better competition and he is now testing himself at the very top level. He could end up getting Lacied by Brook and become an overnight gatekeeper.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote:. . . and I do recognize that Beterbiev has only had 10 fights. Relative to that number of professional fights he has accomplished plenty. Not as much as Lomassiah but plenty.

But we are talking world level professional accomplishment that many conclude is a given for him. It is not. That is not specifically his fault and I am not suggesting that he should immediately go from fighting 40 something rated boxers to challenging Krusher in his 12th fight. I am saying that he has proven nothing at top level yet. Maybe his team feels he is not quite ready yet. I respect that.

How can you say he has proven nothing? That's beyond dumb. A guy that KtFO 2 former world champions and beat a very game fighter in Prieto is very much something. And lol at following BoxRec ratings like they matter. Prieto is a very good fighter, and Beterbiev stopping him in 1 is a statement that he's very much a proven fighter.

Wtf are you talking about? I have no idea what the boxrec rankings are, school marm. I do know approximately where the comp that Beterbiev has fought reside in general.

Beterbiev has potential. He has nothing against relevant competition. Cloud was through. Prieto didn't get ktfo by Eleider. All that proves is he beat a couple of boxers that were a level below gatekeeper status.

If Prieto suddenly advances to gatekeeper status I will be the first to admit that I was wrong about him.

Tanzio wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Fvck you and your hall monitor status. I don't give two squirts that Beterbiev knocked out a guy who gave the guy who is a retired guy's bridesmaid a fight. Beterbiev is loooong overdue. He is nothing but potential at the moment. Cloud, ffs? That was like ktfo a broken weeble wobble.

I think that Beterbiev can accomplish some significant things. There is significant distant between can do and done.

He KtFO Cloud in like his 5th pro fight (IIRC). I'm hall monitor because it seems I have to clean up this forum as there are tons of people who know lick about the sport and are opinionated.

What does ktfo a fighter who had been thoroughly exposed and was cashing out for pocket change have to do with top level accomplishment?

You are a b!tch who thinks way too much of herself.

Beterbiev has accomplished zip until he does so against relevant competition. What happens if the next no hoper plants him?

Spence is in a similar position more than 10 fights later, with the exception that he has fought a bit better competition and he is now testing himself at the very top level. He could end up getting Lacied by Brook and become an overnight gatekeeper.

You obviously need to find a new hobby because you don't know anything about boxing at all other than trashing world-class fighters because you know BoxRec's garbage ratings.

If you really look at everyone under a microscope, no one is proven. It's just so dumb to approach every fighter with such an idiotic level of skepticism.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: He KtFO Cloud in like his 5th pro fight (IIRC). I'm hall monitor because it seems I have to clean up this forum as there are tons of people who know lick about the sport and are opinionated.

What does ktfo a fighter who had been thoroughly exposed and was cashing out for pocket change have to do with top level accomplishment?

You are a b!tch who thinks way too much of herself.

Beterbiev has accomplished zip until he does so against relevant competition. What happens if the next no hoper plants him?

Spence is in a similar position more than 10 fights later, with the exception that he has fought a bit better competition and he is now testing himself at the very top level. He could end up getting Lacied by Brook and become an overnight gatekeeper.

You obviously need to find a new hobby because you don't know anything about boxing at all other than trashing world-class fighters because you know BoxRec's garbage ratings.

If you really look at everyone under a microscope, no one is proven. It's just so dumb to approach every fighter with such an idiotic level of skepticism.

Again with the boxrec rankings bvllsh!t?

No, you are wrong and you are a b!tch. There are plenty of boxers who are proven at world level. Beterbiev is not yet one of those boxers. He will likely prove himself in the future but he has not earned his place yet.

Tanzio wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote: What does ktfo a fighter who had been thoroughly exposed and was cashing out for pocket change have to do with top level accomplishment?

You are a b!tch who thinks way too much of herself.

Beterbiev has accomplished zip until he does so against relevant competition. What happens if the next no hoper plants him?

Spence is in a similar position more than 10 fights later, with the exception that he has fought a bit better competition and he is now testing himself at the very top level. He could end up getting Lacied by Brook and become an overnight gatekeeper.

You obviously need to find a new hobby because you don't know anything about boxing at all other than trashing world-class fighters because you know BoxRec's garbage ratings.

If you really look at everyone under a microscope, no one is proven. It's just so dumb to approach every fighter with such an idiotic level of skepticism.

Again with the boxrec rankings bvllsh!t?

No, you are wrong and you are a b!tch. There are plenty of boxers who are proven at world level. Beterbiev is not yet one of those boxers. He will likely prove himself in the future but he has not earned his place yet.

You can't form a valid argument other than throwing childish insults and BoxRec ratings.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: You obviously need to find a new hobby because you don't know anything about boxing at all other than trashing world-class fighters because you know BoxRec's garbage ratings.

If you really look at everyone under a microscope, no one is proven. It's just so dumb to approach every fighter with such an idiotic level of skepticism.

Again with the boxrec rankings bvllsh!t?

No, you are wrong and you are a b!tch. There are plenty of boxers who are proven at world level. Beterbiev is not yet one of those boxers. He will likely prove himself in the future but he has not earned his place yet.

You can't form a valid argument other than throwing childish insults and BoxRec ratings.

Childish insults? Ownly an adolescent would consider herself to have the only valid opinion on a board that contains nothing but subjective perspective.

Your argument leans on a ktfo of the corpse of Tavoris Cloud and a ktfo of Prieto the wannabe gatekeeper. My argument is that Beterbiev has proven nothing at world level yet.

I stand by my position. It will change when Beterbiev earns his place.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: You obviously need to find a new hobby because you don't know anything about boxing at all other than trashing world-class fighters because you know BoxRec's garbage ratings.

If you really look at everyone under a microscope, no one is proven. It's just so dumb to approach every fighter with such an idiotic level of skepticism.

Again with the boxrec rankings bvllsh!t?

No, you are wrong and you are a b!tch. There are plenty of boxers who are proven at world level. Beterbiev is not yet one of those boxers. He will likely prove himself in the future but he has not earned his place yet.

You can't form a valid argument other than throwing childish insults and BoxRec ratings.

That's the way Tanzio argues his point bud. Just a bunch of silly insults but I happen to agree with his point here and it Pisssssed me off.

caldo2025 wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Again with the boxrec rankings bvllsh!t?

No, you are wrong and you are a b!tch. There are plenty of boxers who are proven at world level. Beterbiev is not yet one of those boxers. He will likely prove himself in the future but he has not earned his place yet.

You can't form a valid argument other than throwing childish insults and BoxRec ratings.

That's the way Tanzio argues his point bud. Just a bunch of silly insults but I happen to agree with his point here and it Pisssssed me off.

I only insult those who insult others, caldoh2zig2zag. You and Mexi-Joke admire pea brains like that in the mirror daily.

Is there any channce he may be over rated ..just a little? Bearing in mind that not too long ago and probably even now post the Ward fight, Kovalev is considered the best out there? And certainly not seen as someone that gets knocked out by anybody, even by the 'mighty' Beterbiev?

Roars Like Me wrote:Is there any channce he may be over rated ..just a little? Bearing in mind that not too long ago and probably even now post the Ward fight, Kovalev is considered the best out there? And certainly not seen as someone that gets knocked out by anybody, even by the 'mighty' Beterbiev?

If Beterbiev lands, Kova is going down. The question is if Kovalev lets him land.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Roars Like Me wrote:Is there any channce he may be over rated ..just a little? Bearing in mind that not too long ago and probably even now post the Ward fight, Kovalev is considered the best out there? And certainly not seen as someone that gets knocked out by anybody, even by the 'mighty' Beterbiev?

If Beterbiev lands, Kova is going down. The question is if Kovalev lets him land.

Has Kov ever shown to have an issue with his chin, the opposite I would have thought no?
The only time I believe was Boone but I've never see it.