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keithmoonhangover wrote:Too many people give Witherspoon .

Unrealistic!

Keko wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Too many people give Witherspoon .

Unrealistic!

I always thought Smith was good value for money but maybe he started perhaps a wee bit too late (army guy I think) and he certainly got matched tough for long periods of his career.

Witherspoon had plenty of talent and should have enjoyed a longer run at the top.....he boxed Bruno beautifully in front of a huge, really partisan crowd at Wembley and gave Frank quite a hiding despite really not being in the best of shape.

Next time out he got flattened by Smith who he'd already beaten previously

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Keko wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Too many people give Witherspoon .

Unrealistic!

I was really surprised ,so a lot of votes.

Keko wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Keko wrote: Unrealistic!

I was really surprised ,so a lot of votes.

Me too.

Don King was resposible for all of that.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

davie wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Man, look at that murderers row compared to the wlad era. Spoon the best, spinks my favorite.

I'm with Kalan here, I think the likes of Haye and povetkin would take the majority, if not all of this list out.
I'd fancy Pulev to beat most of them and there are a few other Wlad opponents over the years would beba fair match for some of these guys.

What I've seen of Coetzee, Weaver and Dokes has been far from impressive.

I watched a few with Tucker, Tubbs, Pinklon and Witherspoon a few months back and thought they all looked, as Kalan said, mediocre.

I think pulev is the definition of mediocre. Not that these guys are work beaters, just better than the worst era ever. Getting better now. Weaver would destroy fury

Weaver wouldn't lay a glove on the Fury who boxed Chisora to death in their rematch -- and beat Wladimir Klitschko... He'd be lucky to make 5 rounds.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Kalan wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Man, look at that murderers row compared to the wlad era. Spoon the best, spinks my favorite.

More like a dreadful row of the murdered...

Tate was left for dead versus Weaver---what an ice job...

Loved the ending don't get me wrong......Rockyesque drama, and lovable. But did you happen to notice who was actually winning until a rather clumsy moment arrived?

Hey a win is a win.....but performance counts too. (E.G. the team who gets the most yardage despite losing, or the candidate with the most votes despite the electoral count) So when "evaluating" a situation...context is good to keep in mind. Now in Foremans case, he does want us to believe that he was setting Moorer up......is that what you think Weaver was doing here?

If so.....I have some land in Florida, and I'm expecting a right proper bid from you. Please contact my attorney for details.


These are the types of statements that make you appear to have lost the wheels to your train.


However....you do appear to be leading to the right answer which is likely Time Witherspoon.....is that correct?

And "favorite" means just that.......not an evaluation of skill, just a sentiment. Leon's attainment of the championship was pretty cinderella like, though I will say that he started out on a pretty good track, being focused and utilizing his potential....and then just blinged out and fizzled like a dud firecracker. Still quite a story.....(I lived in St Louis during the brothers best days....and it was quite a fun ride.)

Witherspoon did extremely well in his Larry Holmes fight... and I wasn't surprised at all, even considering it was only his 16th pro fight.. He was one of the most talented Heavyweights I've ever seen in my life...but that was his high mark... He didn't develop his skills to as advanced a degree as Holmes, Louis, Holyfield, the Klitschko Bros, Haye, Joshua, and many other heavy champs -- some of whom didn't have as much natural ability as Witherspoon... Louis had athletic ability, power, speed, and instincts to match Witherspoon, but not the chin, size, or smarts ... Tim blew it.

As for the Tate-Weaver fight... Weaver was not a good boxer but he had a plan.. He was able to wear guys out and tire them out -- like he did Coetzee.. Weaver was a small Heavyweight and lost a ton of fights -- but the guy had endurance and punching power. I told everybody that Weaver would knock Tate out in the 15th round -- He was getting on Tate from the 12th.. I knew MIke well and Tate was hittable.. I knew he would get Tate out of there..

That did it for John Tate.. That shot destroyed his career.. Ice jobs will do that if you don't take a year off -- and sometimes even if you do.. And when I say ice job I mean when you fall like you're shot dead, and you're out like a light ... and you stay that way for 10 minutes or more.

You called the round and the outcome of that fight?

If so...that's quite a feat.

That's what everybody told me... "Damn You called it." He could have knocked him out in the 14th, but he was still breaking him down. It didn't matter.

A couple weeks before Ali-Foreman I dreamed Ali knocked foreman out in the 9th round... and the knockdown and trip to the canvas happened much like in my dream... I'm happy the KO came in the 8th because it would have freaked me out if happened in the 9th... Any super specific dream or prediction that comes true is an accident -- but do you ever get the feeling EEEEEEEYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOWWHOOOOOOOOO!

Gives a whole new local meaning on this forum to the old saying "In your dreams".

what about the fighters who got title shots from about 1977-1987 but never got a major belt ?
how would they fare ?

How would they fare? Well most of them lost because they weren't good enough. Maybe someone who los to Holmes or Tyson (like Earnie Shavers, Carl Williams, or Renaldo Snipes) would have won had they fought one of these guys for a title.

yeah,but they lost against Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes,two legendary Heavyweight Champions.
How would they do against these guys tho ?

I guess I don't know exactly what you mean. Most of the guys mentioned fought from 1977-1987. Specifically what fighters are you referring to and what fighters are you putting them up against?

Tate for me , only 2 votes.