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Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 06:12
by BigDoofus
Naandrew wrote:Yet again Fury is talking about coming back and no mention what so ever about the UKAD hearing last month for the failed drugs test last year.
I didn't hear about this hearing - what happened?

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 07:58
by peter1948
Myself I like Fury & no one can deny he did the business against The Man in Germany. He says some things he shouldn't but nobody's perfect, one cannot deny the fact he's a very good fighter who always gives 100%. I'm hoping he's over his medical problems & will soon be back to where he was before & that's on top of the heavyweight tree.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 08:56
by Monte Fisto
If he's undeniably the best then rank him as the best. I'm not sure he is due to the potential out there currently combined with his current state. He definitely has the best win in the division in the past 2 years, I think that is undeniable.
I just hope he comes back with the drive to be the best, if he does, I think he will be.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 09:37
by rd350lc
BigDoofus wrote:
Naandrew wrote:Yet again Fury is talking about coming back and no mention what so ever about the UKAD hearing last month for the failed drugs test last year.
I didn't hear about this hearing - what happened?
That all seems to have gone a bit quiet but it won't go away .

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 09:40
by Andrew
BigDoofus wrote:
Naandrew wrote:Yet again Fury is talking about coming back and no mention what so ever about the UKAD hearing last month for the failed drugs test last year.
I didn't hear about this hearing - what happened?
That's exactly my point. It was suppose to be in November for both Tyson and Hughie. But nothing has come out of it.
Is he banned ? Are they still in a legal battle ? It's one of those two because if they were cleared the Furys would be very public about it. Hughie has not fought since this came out or has a fight scheduled.

Until all the UKAD facts comes out no one should speculate what Tyson or Hughie do next.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 09:43
by rd350lc
Naandrew wrote:
BigDoofus wrote:
Naandrew wrote:Yet again Fury is talking about coming back and no mention what so ever about the UKAD hearing last month for the failed drugs test last year.
I didn't hear about this hearing - what happened?
That's exactly my point. It was suppose to be in November for both Tyson and Hughie. But nothing has come out of it.
Is he banned ? Are they still in a legal battle ? It's one of those two because if they were cleared the Furys would be very public about it. Hughie has not fought since this came out or has a fight scheduled.

Until all the UKAD facts comes out no one should speculate what Tyson or Hughie do next.
especially themselves ?

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 15:55
by Nightmare Roy
Can't see him ever coming back, his canister is in bits.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 16:37
by rd350lc
Nightmare Roy wrote:Can't see him ever coming back, his canister is in bits.
Even if he does , he will not be a force at top level IMO.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 16:45
by davie
Naandrew wrote:
BigDoofus wrote:
Naandrew wrote:Yet again Fury is talking about coming back and no mention what so ever about the UKAD hearing last month for the failed drugs test last year.
I didn't hear about this hearing - what happened?
That's exactly my point. It was suppose to be in November for both Tyson and Hughie. But nothing has come out of it.
Is he banned ? Are they still in a legal battle ? It's one of those two because if they were cleared the Furys would be very public about it. Hughie has not fought since this came out or has a fight scheduled.

Until all the UKAD facts comes out no one should speculate what Tyson or Hughie do next.
If the hearing was in November, do you think he naively thought, if he just retired for a couple months, he'd be outwith their jurisdiction?

Now he thinks he can just come back and no one will give it any thought?

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 16:55
by Rexob
rd350lc wrote:
Nightmare Roy wrote:Can't see him ever coming back, his canister is in bits.
Even if he does , he will not be a force at top level IMO.
Hes only been out for just over a year, the rest has probaly done him good and fury wont even be at peak age, when he does get back in the square ring.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 16:58
by davie
Rexob wrote:
rd350lc wrote:
Nightmare Roy wrote:Can't see him ever coming back, his canister is in bits.
Even if he does , he will not be a force at top level IMO.
Hes only been out for just over a year, the rest has probaly done him good and fury wont even be at peak age, when he does get back in the square ring.
I was thinking the same.

And let's not kid ourselves that the lifestyle he's been living for the past 12 months will have done significant harm, he'd have been living the same lifestyle when he became the undisputed champion of the world :bag:

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 16:59
by liamlion
I wouldnt get too excited, Sadly Fury isnt going to be fighting anytime soon - he is facing a couple of significant drug bans. Fair play to his team for trying to mitigate and negate any punishment with claims of significant mental ill health (which may well be true) but i cant see him escaping a ban.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 04:23
by Andrew
davie wrote:
Naandrew wrote:
BigDoofus wrote:
I didn't hear about this hearing - what happened?
That's exactly my point. It was suppose to be in November for both Tyson and Hughie. But nothing has come out of it.
Is he banned ? Are they still in a legal battle ? It's one of those two because if they were cleared the Furys would be very public about it. Hughie has not fought since this came out or has a fight scheduled.

Until all the UKAD facts comes out no one should speculate what Tyson or Hughie do next.
If the hearing was in November, do you think he naively thought, if he just retired for a couple months, he'd be outwith their jurisdiction?

Now he thinks he can just come back and no one will give it any thought?
Retiring or not he still failed a drugs test in February last year. Hughie did as well. As I've been saying no one should speculate until the facts come out. Until this UKAD stuff is all done I can't see either Hughie or Tyson fighting.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 09:04
by rossij8
Horse wrote:
the_doctor wrote:He's going to have to do a lot more than beat a fading star in an absolute stinker to be in ATG territory :lol:
What a fool you are to dismiss Fury's incredible win against Wladimir.
If WK smashes AJ to pieces then Furys win will be deemed incredible, possibly

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 09:09
by Horse
rossij8 wrote:If WK smashes AJ to pieces then Furys win will be deemed incredible, possibly
Of course, the only way anything can be incredible is if Joshua is involved.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 09:30
by liamlion
Horse wrote:
rossij8 wrote:If WK smashes AJ to pieces then Furys win will be deemed incredible, possibly
Of course, the only way anything can be incredible is if Joshua is involved.
Well it is the sports entertainment business after all and at the current time AJ seeks and destroys his opponents. He gives the crowd what they want, which is murderous punching and vicious ko's.

Fury's fight with WK had very few, if any meaningful punches thrown. It was a close decision and a stinker of a fight. Indeed, in etntertainment terms it was far from incredible.

AJ quite rightly gets the aclaim and interest at the current time.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 09:31
by keithmoonhangover
Horse wrote:
rossij8 wrote:If WK smashes AJ to pieces then Furys win will be deemed incredible, possibly
Of course, the only way anything can be incredible is if Joshua is involved.
Horse, what do you think will happen about the drug tests and licence issues?

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 09:42
by Horse
liamlion wrote:Well it is the sports entertainment business after all and at the current time AJ seeks and destroys his opponents. He gives the crowd what they want, which is murderous punching and vicious ko's.

Fury's fight with WK had very few, if any meaningful punches thrown. It was a close decision and a stinker of a fight. Indeed, in etntertainment terms it was far from incredible.

AJ quite rightly gets the aclaim and interest at the current time.
He has beaten no one. He is overhyped.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 10:04
by liamlion
Horse wrote:
liamlion wrote:Well it is the sports entertainment business after all and at the current time AJ seeks and destroys his opponents. He gives the crowd what they want, which is murderous punching and vicious ko's.

Fury's fight with WK had very few, if any meaningful punches thrown. It was a close decision and a stinker of a fight. Indeed, in etntertainment terms it was far from incredible.

AJ quite rightly gets the aclaim and interest at the current time.
He has beaten no one. He is overhyped.
Time will tell. By the way, im a fan of fury and would want him to beat AJ. But other than the glorified spar with WK, Fury's resume isnt spectacular. It was a fight that completely flattered to deceive.

I think the Dillian Whyte fight shows how fragile AJ and i think he is a more powerful and mobile version of Bruno, that will struggle from round 8 onwards. But lets get this rught, Fury is not spectacular and isnt particularly fan friendly. Would be great to see him fight Wilder, AJ and Haye but two failed drug tests in past 12 months or so doesnt bode well for any comeback.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 10:28
by Rob3_142
Horse wrote:
mimmy123 wrote:It will be good to see him back Horse. not sure if he could beat the likes of AJ but at least hes back in training and on the road to recovery. I know a little bit about depression and its effects, so getting back in the gym and hopefully a return in 2017 will do him the world of good. I just dont think he will beat the likes of AJ. Going in with someone like Ortiz on the presumption of his last fight I think Fury has a bloody decent chance. Regaining a crown? I just dont see it. But good luck to the fella.

Happy Christmas Horse :TU:
Joshua is a big, stiff idiot.

Fury would smash him to bits.
What makes you challenge his intelligence?

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 10:49
by Horse
Rob3_142 wrote:What makes you challenge his intelligence?
Have you seen him being interviewed?

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 12:30
by Mimmy
Horse wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:What makes you challenge his intelligence?
Have you seen him being interviewed?
Has Tyson Fury been to school being a 'traveller'? It would be interesting to know what academic qualifications AJ and Tyson have, that should settle the debate about being an idiot.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 12:42
by Horse
mimmy123 wrote:Has Tyson Fury been to school being a 'traveller'? It would be interesting to know what academic qualifications AJ and Tyson have, that should settle the debate about being an idiot.
Not really.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 12:44
by Nightmare Roy
Horse wrote:Fury doesn't have to regain anything.

He's the main man, an ATG, a living legend.
You could argue he's the main man but the rest, nah.

Re: Can we rank him again?

Posted: 27 Dec 2016, 12:46
by liamlion
Horse wrote:
Rob3_142 wrote:What makes you challenge his intelligence?
Have you seen him being interviewed?
AJ is far more articulate than Fury and AJ's bank balance will very likely be 5 times greater, and thats without having had to fight the division king. Not to mention Fury's 2 failed drugs tests in the past 15 months and inevitable ban.. If there is a idiot amongst the pair then the smart money would strongly suggest that Fury wins that accolade and quite comfortably too... :TU: