....and fat boxer with no skill.Tomasino wrote:gp. wrote:I heard that Wilt saw Too Tall in a pool, realised he could swim, and wanted no part of him after that.Syntax Error wrote:
That's typical of Wilton!
Joe Frazier was a terrible swimmer. Apparently.
Did you know he was also short?keithmoonhangover wrote:....and fat boxer with no skill.Tomasino wrote:gp. wrote:
I heard that Wilt saw Too Tall in a pool, realised he could swim, and wanted no part of him after that.
Joe Frazier was a terrible swimmer. Apparently.
Yes. And he only Ali because Ali wasn't a top ten ATG heavyweight.hhaehre wrote:Did you know he was also short?keithmoonhangover wrote:....and fat boxer with no skill.Tomasino wrote:
Joe Frazier was a terrible swimmer. Apparently.
He doesn't answer direct questions about things he knows he's been caught on.keithmoonhangover wrote:Kalan?keithmoonhangover wrote:I don't suppose you have anything that proves this outlandish claim?Kalan wrote: Like I said... After Too Tall's 3rd fight in 3 weeks he was blackballed.. .
punchoutsb wrote:He doesn't answer direct questions about things he knows he's been caught on.keithmoonhangover wrote:Kalan?keithmoonhangover wrote:
I don't suppose you have anything that proves this outlandish claim?
I answered this question a million time... Too Tall Jones wanted to fight once a week or as often as possible., You play Football every week why not fight every week? Jones fought his first 3 fights in 3 weeks. The guy he crushed in 41 seconds in his 3rd fight knocked out the guy he fought in his 1st fight... His opponents were getting better and so was Jones... He wanted to step it up and fight much better opponents but he was blackballed.punchoutsb wrote:He doesn't answer direct questions about things he knows he's been caught on.keithmoonhangover wrote:Kalan?keithmoonhangover wrote:
I don't suppose you have anything that proves this outlandish claim?
That's not answering his question which is a request for proof of this supposed blackball.Kalan wrote:I answered this question a million time... Too Tall Jones wanted to fight once a week or as often as possible., You play Football every week why not fight every week? Jones fought his first 3 fights in 3 weeks. The guy he crushed in 41 seconds in his 3rd fight knocked out the guy he fought in his 1st fight... His opponents were getting better and so was Jones... He wanted to step it up and fight much better opponents but he was blackballed.punchoutsb wrote:He doesn't answer direct questions about things he knows he's been caught on.keithmoonhangover wrote:
Kalan?
The proof is his opponents..
The guy he smashed out 41 seconds into the 1st round in his 3rd fight had a record of 18-12-1...
The THREE (3) guys he fought in his last 3 fights had combined records of 2-7-0...
And they got worse and worse with each fight until he got booed out of the arena... They didn't boo him for the Montes fight.. They didn't boo him for his 1st fight with Meneses, which was an appropriate first fight.. If you're fighting a live opponent the crowd doesn't boo you.. He couldn't find a live opponent to save his life after his 3rd fight, which he knows was done to drive him out of the game..
And you know for a fact that he hasn't been the ONLY fighter who couldn't get appropriate opponents... It's a dirty game and you know it.
Do you have anything from Too Tall saying he was blackballed? If not, then you are just making it up.Kalan wrote:How do you prove Too Tall Jones was backballed??? He was an all-pro football player... one of the best ever... the tallest defensive end ever... extremely famous and known to just about everybody... and he announced to the world that he was quitting Football to become Heavyweight Champion of the World.. It was a big media story and the media followed his career very closely.. He was big news and I thought he was a great story for Boxing. Boxing didn't think so. The Boxing Establishment took Too Tall's challenge as an insult.
Boxing people hated him.. They didn't want him to show up Boxing as a sport that could be easily conquered by a non-boxer... Even though when he got his professional boxing license and got paid for his 1st professional fight, he was by definition a boxer. To boxing people he was a football player and they wanted him gone because he was a threat to beat everybody out there.
So he got his first 3 fights in 3 weeks of November '79.. They weren't bad opponents for any fighters first 3 fights. They weren't bad wins... But his next 3 opponents took months to find... Not only did it take much longer do dig up opponents -- the opponents were not progressive.. They weren't appropriate for Too Tall Jones's growing level of skill... The Boxing Establishment wanted to shut him down completely and they did.
4 seconds? Much better chance of that than 4 rounds. I remember watching those fights, no way Ed lasts 20 seconds with Cooper.gilgamesh wrote:Bert Cooper takes the tall guy out within 4.
More nonsense and fantasy. People who have seen Jones fight ridiculed him. The press at the time ridiculed him. Spectators booed him. He struggled to beat fighters with horrendous records that Jones had huge weight and height advantages over. His own trainer made excuses for him. His team mates ridiculed him.Kalan wrote:
So he got his first 3 fights in 3 weeks of November '79.. They weren't bad opponents for any fighters first 3 fights. They weren't bad wins... But his next 3 opponents took months to find... Not only did it take much longer do dig up opponents -- the opponents were not progressive.. They weren't appropriate for Too Tall Jones's growing level of skill... The Boxing Establishment wanted to shut him down completely and they did.
This.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:4 seconds? Much better chance of that than 4 rounds. I remember watching those fights, no way Ed lasts 20 seconds with Cooper.gilgamesh wrote:Bert Cooper takes the tall guy out within 4.
I just said within 4 to make sure I'm right. I'd be betting on Cooper via KO 1 for sure.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:4 seconds? Much better chance of that than 4 rounds. I remember watching those fights, no way Ed lasts 20 seconds with Cooper.gilgamesh wrote:Bert Cooper takes the tall guy out within 4.
Being Tall goes much further than actual accomplishments for KalanControversial wrote:More nonsense and fantasy. People who have seen Jones fight ridiculed him. The press at the time ridiculed him. Spectators booed him. He struggled to beat fighters with horrendous records that Jones had huge weight and height advantages over. His own trainer made excuses for him. His team mates ridiculed him.Kalan wrote:
So he got his first 3 fights in 3 weeks of November '79.. They weren't bad opponents for any fighters first 3 fights. They weren't bad wins... But his next 3 opponents took months to find... Not only did it take much longer do dig up opponents -- the opponents were not progressive.. They weren't appropriate for Too Tall Jones's growing level of skill... The Boxing Establishment wanted to shut him down completely and they did.
As you seem to rate Montes so much name one decent fighter Fernando Montes beat? Montes was described as fat in the press when he fought Jones, hardly surprising as Montes was 23lbs lighter two months previously. The best record of any opponent Montes beat in his entire career was 9-1 and that was by SD, every other win Montes had was over a debutant or a fighter with a losing record. You think that win proves anything?
The fact you dismiss the records and achievements of ATG fighters yet make a case for Jones being some sort of superstar in the making only proves your a troll.
I'm tall, so I with six months training I would have beaten Joe Frazier, who was fat, unskilled and was around at the right time.gilgamesh wrote:Being Tall goes much further than actual accomplishments for KalanControversial wrote:More nonsense and fantasy. People who have seen Jones fight ridiculed him. The press at the time ridiculed him. Spectators booed him. He struggled to beat fighters with horrendous records that Jones had huge weight and height advantages over. His own trainer made excuses for him. His team mates ridiculed him.Kalan wrote:
So he got his first 3 fights in 3 weeks of November '79.. They weren't bad opponents for any fighters first 3 fights. They weren't bad wins... But his next 3 opponents took months to find... Not only did it take much longer do dig up opponents -- the opponents were not progressive.. They weren't appropriate for Too Tall Jones's growing level of skill... The Boxing Establishment wanted to shut him down completely and they did.
As you seem to rate Montes so much name one decent fighter Fernando Montes beat? Montes was described as fat in the press when he fought Jones, hardly surprising as Montes was 23lbs lighter two months previously. The best record of any opponent Montes beat in his entire career was 9-1 and that was by SD, every other win Montes had was over a debutant or a fighter with a losing record. You think that win proves anything?
The fact you dismiss the records and achievements of ATG fighters yet make a case for Jones being some sort of superstar in the making only proves your a troll.
Since when has boxing ever been worried about being embarrassed by anything?Kalan wrote:I can't present proof that Martinez, Quillin, Chavez, Cotto, Canelo, Saunders, Eubank, etc. ducked Golovkin---but they did... I can't show you proof that Santa Cruz, Mares, Cuellar, Selby, and Frampton are ducking Gary Russell---but they are.
How do you prove Too Tall Jones was backballed??? He was an all-pro football player... one of the best ever... the tallest defensive end ever... extremely famous and known to just about everybody... and he announced to the world that he was quitting Football to become Heavyweight Champion of the World.. It was a big media story and the media followed his career very closely.. He was big news and I thought he was a great story for Boxing. Boxing didn't think so. The Boxing Establishment took Too Tall's challenge as an insult.
Boxing people hated him.. They didn't want him to show up Boxing as a sport that could be easily conquered by a non-boxer... Even though when he got his professional boxing license and got paid for his 1st professional fight, he was by definition a boxer. To boxing people he was a football player and they wanted him gone because he was a threat to beat everybody out there.
So he got his first 3 fights in 3 weeks of November '79.. They weren't bad opponents for any fighters first 3 fights. They weren't bad wins... But his next 3 opponents took months to find... Not only did it take much longer do dig up opponents -- the opponents were not progressive.. They weren't appropriate for Too Tall Jones's growing level of skill... The Boxing Establishment wanted to shut him down completely and they did.
So who was ducking Jones then?Kalan wrote:I can't present proof that Martinez, Quillin, Chavez, Cotto, Canelo, Saunders, Eubank, etc. ducked Golovkin---but they did... I can't show you proof that Santa Cruz, Mares, Cuellar, Selby, and Frampton are ducking Gary Russell---but they are.
How do you prove Too Tall Jones was backballed???
Then you explain to me, why, after winning his first 3 professional fights in his first 3 weeks (how many prospects do that?) and after smashing out 18-12-1 Fernando Montes in 41 seconds (3 weeks into his professional career in his 3rd fight, how many prospects do that?) Too Tall Jones could get NO more quality fights anywhere against any appropriate opponents. All they tossed him were dogs they knew would stink out the joint with a putrid smell.sweetviolenturge wrote:Since when has boxing ever been worried about being embarrassed by anything?Kalan wrote:I can't present proof that Martinez, Quillin, Chavez, Cotto, Canelo, Saunders, Eubank, etc. ducked Golovkin---but they did... I can't show you proof that Santa Cruz, Mares, Cuellar, Selby, and Frampton are ducking Gary Russell---but they are.
How do you prove Too Tall Jones was backballed??? He was an all-pro football player... one of the best ever... the tallest defensive end ever... extremely famous and known to just about everybody... and he announced to the world that he was quitting Football to become Heavyweight Champion of the World.. It was a big media story and the media followed his career very closely.. He was big news and I thought he was a great story for Boxing. Boxing didn't think so. The Boxing Establishment took Too Tall's challenge as an insult.
Boxing people hated him.. They didn't want him to show up Boxing as a sport that could be easily conquered by a non-boxer... Even though when he got his professional boxing license and got paid for his 1st professional fight, he was by definition a boxer. To boxing people he was a football player and they wanted him gone because he was a threat to beat everybody out there.
So he got his first 3 fights in 3 weeks of November '79.. They weren't bad opponents for any fighters first 3 fights. They weren't bad wins... But his next 3 opponents took months to find... Not only did it take much longer do dig up opponents -- the opponents were not progressive.. They weren't appropriate for Too Tall Jones's growing level of skill... The Boxing Establishment wanted to shut him down completely and they did.
It hasn't, not when there's money to be made & believe me, has Jones been able to fight at all, there'd have been oodles of $$$ to be made from him, but all parties involved realized after he have it a year, that there was no money to be made from him other than as an occasional "sideshow"-type of attraction ( ala Butterbean a couple of decades later ). Which wasn't as much as he would have made by making his return to the NFL.
Let's face it, this whole theory about Jones being "blackballed" by the sport is utter bollocks.
Virtually the only lasting legacy from Jones' career was the role that his cards played in offering a platform for a young Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini to fight five of his early pro fights because they happened to be managed by the same man in Dave Wolf.
His manager said he wanted Jones to have 40 fights in 30 months, that was their plan, so what? You haven't said what made Montes so great either, he beat no-one of note and was out of shape. The dogs they tossed Jones he should've splattered in a round if Jones was so good, not go 4 rounds with a 0-3 fighter he outweighed by 50lbs. None of your theories are based on any facts just your own imagination.Kalan wrote:
Then you explain to me, why, after winning his first 3 professional fights in his first 3 weeks (how many prospects do that?) and after smashing out 18-12-1 Fernando Montes in 41 seconds (3 weeks into his professional career in his 3rd fight, how many prospects do that?) Too Tall Jones could get NO more quality fights anywhere against any appropriate opponents. All they tossed him were dogs they knew would stink out the joint with a putrid smell.
How do you know they ducked him? Was there even contact? I think this is all in your imagination Kalan.Kalan wrote:Guys like Arturo Diaz, Bash Ali, Mauricio Villegas, ismael Ruiz, Sly Kelly, Terry Krueger, and other appropriate opponents for his professional progression -- that establishment backed fighters would have gotten at a similar stage of their careers.
Kalan. Why don't you answer my posts? It's almost as if you are making all of this up.keithmoonhangover wrote:How do you know they ducked him? Was there even contact? I think this is all in your imagination Kalan.Kalan wrote:Guys like Arturo Diaz, Bash Ali, Mauricio Villegas, ismael Ruiz, Sly Kelly, Terry Krueger, and other appropriate opponents for his professional progression -- that establishment backed fighters would have gotten at a similar stage of their careers.
