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In the know 85 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Getting outboxed usually doesn't "ruin" a guy. Unless they pull a Pavlik and become a full blown alcoholic because they can't handle losing.

Lacy Calzaghe

Just sayin

Another good example, but Davis is 22, and a world champion already, so being absolutely schooled having already achieved what is usually a career long goal would be shocking for the guy and would definitely ruin the kid in some respects, it's just not a good move all round!

Davis is a much better fighter than Lacy ever was.. But he'll never fight Lomachenko -- that's a pipe dream.. Russell would beat any Featherweight in the world, but Selby, Cuellar, Mares, Santa Cruz, and Frampton won't fight him because they know that.. Russell only fought Lomachenko because Loma had 2 fights -- and little did he know what he was in for.. Anybody who fights Loma from here on knows what they're in for -- it took many months to make the Lomachenko-Walters fight. It's not like Floyd who fought whoever he wanted.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lol at a retard that reads records and counts losses. Even worse is someone that comes off as a moron arguing with the obsessed with haymon idiot.

Moron how?? After 55 fights you fight a guy that's had 2 fights??? And he's supposed to be a legend???

montrealsuper wrote:

In the know 85 wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Like you know the guys Cervantez beat on his record and you saw their fights lol - Floyd would have ducked Cervantes and fought a weaker belt holder - Benitez beat a living legend ATG at 17 dont even other to try to discredit what Benitez did -

What are you going to do about it?? Nothing! I don't need to watch a guy fight that has a shockingly bad record to know that he's shite, you effing drip... Records don't lie. Anyone with any knowledge can look at Cervantes record and see that "it's heavily heavily padded" and " he's lost to some really bad fighters".. Go one stevie wonder have a look yourself.

You don't know anything about the fighters he lost to except looking at their records - lots of tough underrated unknown fighters out there - Cervantes was a boxing great and he's in Canastota YDKSAAC Educate yourself about a ring legend - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Cervantes

I know that when a so called "legend" gets beaten by a bum journey man after 30 fights, and then several other bums after 50 fights he's not a legend

In the know 85 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lol at a retard that reads records and counts losses. Even worse is someone that comes off as a moron arguing with the obsessed with haymon idiot.

Moron how?? After 55 fights you fight a guy that's had 2 fights??? And he's supposed to be a legend???

Boxrec database doesn't have everyone's record. The guy probably had dozens more. Even if he didn't, I've watched Cervantes fight several times. You should try it.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

In the know 85 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lol at a retard that reads records and counts losses. Even worse is someone that comes off as a moron arguing with the obsessed with haymon idiot.

Moron how?? After 55 fights you fight a guy that's had 2 fights??? And he's supposed to be a legend???

Boxrec database doesn't have everyone's record. The guy probably had dozens more. Even if he didn't, I've watched Cervantes fight several times. You should try it.

It has the record of every single pro Cervantes has ever fought! If you can't see that his first 60 odd fights were walk overs then your blind. And he lost four or five of those.

In the know 85 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

In the know 85 wrote:

Moron how?? After 55 fights you fight a guy that's had 2 fights??? And he's supposed to be a legend???

Boxrec database doesn't have everyone's record. The guy probably had dozens more. Even if he didn't, I've watched Cervantes fight several times. You should try it.

It has the record of every single pro Cervantes has ever fought! If you can't see that his first 60 odd fights were walk overs then your blind. And he lost four or five of those.

I'll try it a little slower for you. Boxrec does not have everyone's complete record. Stick to current fighters if all you're going to do is look at records. Cruz marcano for instance, was very good. He tore Cervantes apart. Antonio established his greatness later on. So what?Anyway, I'm not going to waste too much time talking to an 'expert' that doesn't know dick.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

In the know 85 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Boxrec database doesn't have everyone's record. The guy probably had dozens more. Even if he didn't, I've watched Cervantes fight several times. You should try it.

It has the record of every single pro Cervantes has ever fought! If you can't see that his first 60 odd fights were walk overs then your blind. And he lost four or five of those.

I'll try it a little slower for you. Boxrec does not have everyone's complete record. Stick to current fighters if all you're going to do is look at records. Cruz marcano for instance, was very good. He tore Cervantes apart. Antonio established his greatness later on. So what?Anyway, I'm not going to waste too much time talking to an 'expert' that doesn't know dick.

Your far from the brightest spark yourself

Maybe not, but I've seen Cervantes fight and I know the records on here are far from gospel. In those regards, I'm well in the know. Take care, off to ignore with you.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Maybe not, but I've seen Cervantes fight and I know the records on here are far from gospel. In those regards, I'm well in the know. Take care, off to ignore with you.

You know more about dick than you do boxing, as you keep mentioning

You trying to ruin Davis I see!

bnovelist wrote:You trying to ruin Davis I see!

Wtf you talking about?

Tevin Farmer keeps coming up as a "good match for Lomachenko." Tevin should NOT accept any invitation to fight Lomachenko, just yet. It would be a great fight. It might even be the most exciting matchup out there. But, Tevin should wait. The money won't be fair for Tevin. Tevin has been calling out Tank Davis. That's a wise choice by Tevin. Davis has real power, but terrible footwork. Tevin will make Davis look foolish, as he has with most of his opponents. Tevin is a smart, fan-friendly boxer/puncher. He'd be careful and win rounds. Once Davis is sufficiently frustrated and tired, Farmer would seriously get to work on Davis. --- Tevin Farmer vs Vasyl Lomachenko in November 2018 feels right. Tevin Farmer is an elite fighter. Once the boxing world is fully aware of Tevin's skills, he will get a deserved, high seven figure, pay-day against Lomo.

Counter-puncher wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

In the know 85 wrote:Loma would skill the poo out of Davis at this point! It's a no contest, way too early for Davis unless you want to see him beaten and possibly ruined.

Getting outboxed usually doesn't "ruin" a guy. Unless they pull a Pavlik and become a full blown alcoholic because they can't handle losing.

Lacy Calzaghe

Just sayin

Left Hook Lacy also had a rotator cuff injury that accounted for the bulk of the ruining. It was in the arm that he throws left hooks with. It occurred during the fight immediately after Calzaghe, and affected him between that fight and the rest of his career.

montrealsuper wrote:Like you know the guys Cervantez beat on his record and you saw their fights lol - Floyd would have ducked Cervantes and fought a weaker belt holder - Benitez beat a living legend ATG at 17 dont even other to try to discredit what Benitez did -

I saw the Cervantez-De Jesus fight.. It was a good fight and these guys could both box well, but it was the way they fought that I wasn't too excited about. Particularly De Jesus.. Too much motion.. Too many feints.. Too much bouncing.. Poor punch selection so there's a lot coming back at both of them.. And they're both absorbing too many punches.. Now, Duran lost a fight to De Jesus.. ED could really fight.. But Duran was a little smoother.. Duran took his time a little better.. He used his brain a little more like a Mayweather.. He learned more about De Jesus from every encounter they had.. By their 3rd fight he was killing the guy.

Mayweather actually did fight better fighters than Cervantes in Marquez, Pacquiao, and Mosley.. They were older guys but they were good.. They started out as Flyweight, Featherweight, and Lightweight so they went through several divisions like Floyd.. Floyd owned a space where he could select his opponents like Sugar Ray Leonard.. Hagler selected his opponents too.. In '85, '86, and '87 Hagler fought once a year and maybe he did get a little rusty for the Leonard fight... I think you need to fight twice a year to stay sharp... But this is the problem with Boxing; you can fight who you want, when you want.

I think Boxing would explode globally if boxers were seeded like Tennis players... Tennis players have to play the guy who won the other bracket.. There's no arguing or negotiating about who they play.. If there were a system of elimination in Boxing that selected the next opponent of a ranked boxer you wouldn't have guys with tons of talent like Luis Ortiz waiting around for several years -- because beyond at a certain age he's not going to be a threat.

So that's the same thing with Lomachenko vs Davis... Realistically is that fight going to happen??? NO...because Loma would kill that kid... And he's not the man getting all the favored attention.. He's the foreigner on the outside looking in.

what bothers me about davis is that he go's around calling himself world champ but be refuses to unify vs an 8 fight novice davis is a fraud a media creation and a ugly little twerp at that

I find myself constantly cheering against Gervonta Davis for no reason except that a 5'6 129 pound man should never be called "Tank".