Anybody thinks that GGG may be past of his best days and have a tough fight vs Jacobs ?

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Re: Anybody thinks that GGG may be past of his best days and have a tough fight vs Jacobs ?

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boxing_rocks wrote:
apollo creed wrote:
Baby Face Finster wrote:
LMAO. Canelo and slick don't go hand in hand. The same Toney who had so much problems with Dave Tiberi? I don't think so. Triple G would beat him from the outside for a 12 round UD.
Ciannamon Canelo has some pretty damn slick waist&head moves for his thick body. :OhYes: Khan said it was hard to land on him.
Khan was landing just fine, and so were Cotto and Lara. None of them could trouble him though. Lara was mainly concerned about not being hit, Khan is not strong enough, and Cotto had a mix of the first two... And we all remember how Mayweather schooled Canelo.
Indeed Floyd pretty much toyed Canelo.
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jezzamundo wrote:After watching GGG against Geale and Rubio in 2014, I questioned whether he was regressing and fighting too much of a 'Mexican style', neglecting his defense and taking more punishment than necessary. Against Martin Murray, he clearly had no respect for his power and it was only Murray's toughness that was keeping him in the fight. Against Willie Monroe, it was clear that Monroe's slick defensive style was ineffective, and when he switched to fighting on the inside and using his superior handspeed in combinations, GGG took some punishment. He claimed it was deliberate, but I wasn't so sure. Then GGG put on an absolute masterclass against David Lemieux, convincing me that he hasn't really regressed and has this more defensively responsible style up his sleeve for when he needs it. He looked great against an overmatched Dominic Wade and - by his standards - poor against Kell Brook, although we must remember that Brook is clearly the most skilled guy GGG has faced to date and almost certainly had more power than Geale, Murray or Monroe, so it's not surprising he marked up GGG a bit before being stopped.

What worries me isn't GGG's age, it's his relative lack of activity. By the time he steps into the ring against Jacobs, he will have fought just five full rounds in the previous 18 months. I would have liked to have seen his team scrambling a last-minute opponent for a fight in December last year - even if it meant fighting someone like Wade again. Heiland would have been good.
He would have loved to fight in December, but it would have cost him his wba title. As useless as those alphabets are, he's come too far towards his goal to just give one up.
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apollo creed wrote:
jezzamundo wrote:
boxing_rocks wrote:Anything is possible at 35, but if it is not a sudden huge degradation, then GGG still wins. If Jacobs lets his hands go, then I expect an early KO by GGG, around 2nd-3rd round. If Jacobs selects to use jab, move and keep Golovkin at a distance, it may go 8-9 rounds.
Based on his fights, I actually think Jacobs' best chance is to fight on the inside as much as possible - I don't see anyone having much success against GGG from the outside - he's just too good at cutting off the ring and closing the distance.
Stylistically a natural 160 lbs version of Andre Ward who masters the inside game would frustrate the hell out of GGG. Canelo with his fast combos and slick movement could beat GGG.

160 lbs prime James Toney would beat GGG imo. He had the right style to beat GGG.
Toney wasn't prime at 60 and his style of getting beat up to score a late ko or controversial decision doesn't seem the best plan against ggg.
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It is really sad so many boxing fans are so intimidated by GGG. He is a once in a generation middleweight who people should enjoy watching not spend half their lives trying to detract from.

Will he struggle with Jacobs? Yeah, he might. But I know who the smart money is on.
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I think he takes out Jacobs in 1 or 2 fast paced rounds.
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ggg still prime. he just had a very good opponent with brook, thats why didnt look so spectacular like normaly. the fight wasnt easy for him. but brook is very good, argueably the #1 ww
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I agree that the way to beat GGG is outworking him up close, but is Jacobs really a good inside fighter? If Jacobs can be dropped by Mora and cleaned out by Pirog then I can't see him taking Golovkin's power. The question is does Jacobs press the action like you need to do against Golovkin and risk getting taken out early, or does he try and box at range and get taken out a bit later?
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Anybody who puts Jacobs down doesn't know Boxing. I'll also say Golovkin isn't the best fighter in the world. Lomachenko is a better and younger fighter.

Golovkin is facing a 6-foot Middleweight with an 88% KO ratio -- a guy who can box and punch very well... I'd like to know anybody of Jacobs' size, who could box and punch very well, who Sugar Ray Robinson ever beat. This guy proved against Quillin that he can turn a fight in his favor in a hurry.

Jacobs was knocked out 6 years ago by an undefeated Middleweight, but referee Robert Byrd held DJ down and didn't allow him to get up. Lennox Lewis, Manny Pacquiao, Joe Louis and other great fighters were knocked out with similar right hand shots. Larry Holmes was in worse shape when he drunkenly arose from Renaldo Snipes' smashing right hand than Lennox Lewis was against Oliver McCall. Ray Robinson was in worse shape when he arose at 9 after getting tagged with Artie Levine's left hook. Robinson staggered all over the ring. Most referees would have stopped those fights so they got lucky. The refs gave them unlikely chances and they won.

If Golovkin hits Jacobs as well as Pirog hit him, the man won't get up - but DJ's a much better boxer now than he was 6 years ago. I believe GGG wins by late KO or by UD.. He needs 2 knockdowns and he needs to dominate -- or he'll be on the wrong side of another Kovalev-Ward type verdict.
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apollo creed wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:I still think that GGG is the best fighter in the world. I didn't love how he looked against Brook but he's still the best in the world to me. Jacobs is no joke and has some serious power and height to contend with so the fight does concern me. Jacobs will prepare too and come in the ring unintimidated in front of his home state crowd. It's going to be a VERY VERY tough fight for GGG.

I still think that GGG gets the KO around the 9th round in this one. But Jacobs COULD have picked a perfect time to fight GGG if you're right. I guess it's always possible. The only thing that i do know is that GGG will get zero credit for knocking Jacobs out PER USUAL. The critics will come up with some reason why it was a cherry picked fight for GGG. In reality, this would be his best win IMO>
Yup, this could be a very well timed moment for Jacobs to defeat GGG. GGG was somewhat 'exposed' by fighters like Stevens, Monroe Jr and Brook by showing that if you let your hands go - create speed and punch variation you can disrupt GGG's stalking mode. Jacobs could be the guy to derail GGG's train due of his skills, size, power and speed. Also Jacobs is in his peak of his prime at 29 y/o.
I have a hard time agreeing with any of that though. "Exposed" by those guys? Stevens didn't win a round against GGG. I tried to give Monroe Jr a round in the fight and i couldn't. I gave Brook one round but that was even close. So i can't agree with any of that claim.

But Jacobs punches downhill and it will be interested to see what his punches do to GGG. GGG's chin might be the best of all time. I've never even seen him buzzed by a shot. If Jacobs can't get him out of there then he's going to have make it 12 rounds? That's where i find it hard to imagine. Jacobs chin is sketchy. We've seen him buzzed by light punchers. Can Jacobs avoid getting hurt in this one? I don't think so.
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caldo2025 wrote:
apollo creed wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:I still think that GGG is the best fighter in the world. I didn't love how he looked against Brook but he's still the best in the world to me. Jacobs is no joke and has some serious power and height to contend with so the fight does concern me. Jacobs will prepare too and come in the ring unintimidated in front of his home state crowd. It's going to be a VERY VERY tough fight for GGG.

I still think that GGG gets the KO around the 9th round in this one. But Jacobs COULD have picked a perfect time to fight GGG if you're right. I guess it's always possible. The only thing that i do know is that GGG will get zero credit for knocking Jacobs out PER USUAL. The critics will come up with some reason why it was a cherry picked fight for GGG. In reality, this would be his best win IMO>
Yup, this could be a very well timed moment for Jacobs to defeat GGG. GGG was somewhat 'exposed' by fighters like Stevens, Monroe Jr and Brook by showing that if you let your hands go - create speed and punch variation you can disrupt GGG's stalking mode. Jacobs could be the guy to derail GGG's train due of his skills, size, power and speed. Also Jacobs is in his peak of his prime at 29 y/o.
I have a hard time agreeing with any of that though. "Exposed" by those guys? Stevens didn't win a round against GGG. I tried to give Monroe Jr a round in the fight and i couldn't. I gave Brook one round but that was even close. So i can't agree with any of that claim.

But Jacobs punches downhill and it will be interested to see what his punches do to GGG. GGG's chin might be the best of all time. I've never even seen him buzzed by a shot. If Jacobs can't get him out of there then he's going to have make it 12 rounds? That's where i find it hard to imagine. Jacobs chin is sketchy. We've seen him buzzed by light punchers. Can Jacobs avoid getting hurt in this one? I don't think so.
'Exposed' may be an inappropiate term that I used but I'd say those fighters showed a blueprint on how to trouble GGG, i.e speed + punch variation from the mid range.
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apollo creed wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
apollo creed wrote:
Yup, this could be a very well timed moment for Jacobs to defeat GGG. GGG was somewhat 'exposed' by fighters like Stevens, Monroe Jr and Brook by showing that if you let your hands go - create speed and punch variation you can disrupt GGG's stalking mode. Jacobs could be the guy to derail GGG's train due of his skills, size, power and speed. Also Jacobs is in his peak of his prime at 29 y/o.
I have a hard time agreeing with any of that though. "Exposed" by those guys? Stevens didn't win a round against GGG. I tried to give Monroe Jr a round in the fight and i couldn't. I gave Brook one round but that was even close. So i can't agree with any of that claim.

But Jacobs punches downhill and it will be interested to see what his punches do to GGG. GGG's chin might be the best of all time. I've never even seen him buzzed by a shot. If Jacobs can't get him out of there then he's going to have make it 12 rounds? That's where i find it hard to imagine. Jacobs chin is sketchy. We've seen him buzzed by light punchers. Can Jacobs avoid getting hurt in this one? I don't think so.
'Exposed' may be an inappropiate term that I used but I'd say those fighters showed a blueprint on how to trouble GGG, i.e speed + punch variation from the mid range.
I agree that each of those fighters had VERY brief moments of success with GGG but we've been seeing that in all of GGG's fights recently. He likes to take some shots upstairs for some reason. Maybe bc it opens up opportunities to land something big or maybe just to show the fighter that he can't get hurt. But he better be careful with Jacobs. He's got REAL power. Give him a few free shots and it might be nighty night for any fighter
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caldo2025 wrote:
apollo creed wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
I have a hard time agreeing with any of that though. "Exposed" by those guys? Stevens didn't win a round against GGG. I tried to give Monroe Jr a round in the fight and i couldn't. I gave Brook one round but that was even close. So i can't agree with any of that claim.

But Jacobs punches downhill and it will be interested to see what his punches do to GGG. GGG's chin might be the best of all time. I've never even seen him buzzed by a shot. If Jacobs can't get him out of there then he's going to have make it 12 rounds? That's where i find it hard to imagine. Jacobs chin is sketchy. We've seen him buzzed by light punchers. Can Jacobs avoid getting hurt in this one? I don't think so.
'Exposed' may be an inappropiate term that I used but I'd say those fighters showed a blueprint on how to trouble GGG, i.e speed + punch variation from the mid range.
I agree that each of those fighters had VERY brief moments of success with GGG but we've been seeing that in all of GGG's fights recently. He likes to take some shots upstairs for some reason. Maybe bc it opens up opportunities to land something big or maybe just to show the fighter that he can't get hurt. But he better be careful with Jacobs. He's got REAL power. Give him a few free shots and it might be nighty night for any fighter
Probably, maybe it's some kind of strategy to make his opponent build some confidence to open up more when he's attacking / lure next possible opponents like Canelo/BJS into a fight by showing that he's hittable, who knows.
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Daniel Jacobs got dropped by Sergio Mora. Enough said.
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GGG is more liable to succumb to boredom than to any of his opponents thus far. Those with a couple of seconds of fleeting success do little but encourage themselves being knocked out.
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Blodhemn wrote:GGG is more liable to succumb to boredom than to any of his opponents thus far. Those with a couple of seconds of fleeting success do little but encourage themselves being knocked out.
100% :TU:
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