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mainman1 wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:This actually pisses me right off. 3 fight novice from Bulgaria Svetoslav Dimitrov http://boxrec.com/boxer/722148

While the opponent is ok for Harley I just dont agree with bringing over a Bulgarian when there are opponents in the UK that are keeping the BBBoC in money. There are 115 British middleweights in this country and thet have to pluck out of thin air a Bulgarian. Where do they find these boxers? Why do we need Eastern Europeans taking money from lads in this country that are perfectly able to fight and possibly can do with the income? Is having a Bulgarian on your record some sort of toughness symbol?

Whats wrong with Dean Croft for example http://boxrec.com/boxer/659935 or Tommy Carter http://boxrec.com/boxer/763666 ? Arent they good enough for the young Benn boxer? honestly the BBBoC need to look at employing someone to oversee that lads in this country get a payday at this stage of a boxers career rather than letting shite through the doors to go down in 1 round and take the wage packet. Boils my piss. BBBoC know eff all.

What can the BBBoC do to stop this? If a manager/coach wants to bring in guys from abroad for whatever reason then that is their prerogative. There is nothing that the BBBoC can do about it especially when it is an EU country as if they tried to stop these imports for coming in it would be classed as a restriction of trade and they could be taken to court.

I totally agree that BBBoC boxers should be used but the truth is that fights can only be made if there is 2 willing parties ready to make a fight and it doesn't matter what the BBBoC say or do they can't force managers to make fights unless they hold a title governed by the BBBoC.

mimmy123 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:For someone in the UK 10k is nothing, for a Bulgarian it's a lot of money, so they will accept more easy.

You are telling me a British 'journeyman' or losing novice wouldnt be interested in a 10k fight? I know i have mental issues but that comment is bizarre.

Coco wrote:Harley Benn has never even had an amateur fight, who do you expect him to be matched against?

mimmy123 wrote:

Coco wrote:Harley Benn has never even had an amateur fight, who do you expect him to be matched against?

Have a look at the british rankings there are 115 take a look at 50 onwards can you find a suitable opponent?

mimmy123 wrote:

Coco wrote:Harley Benn has never even had an amateur fight, who do you expect him to be matched against?

Have a look at the british rankings there are 115 take a look at 50 onwards can you find a suitable opponent?

Coco wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:

Coco wrote:Harley Benn has never even had an amateur fight, who do you expect him to be matched against?

Have a look at the british rankings there are 115 take a look at 50 onwards can you find a suitable opponent?

They are clearly playing it very safe with him.

MarkMcBurney wrote:

johnnygreaves wrote:I can 100% confirm. That's allegedly pays much better ££. And instead of a holiday inn. I was put up very well thank you very much !!

Any problem getting paid Johnny?

mickey1975 wrote:

MarkMcBurney wrote:

johnnygreaves wrote:I can 100% confirm. That's allegedly pays much better ££. And instead of a holiday inn. I was put up very well thank you very much !!

Any problem getting paid Johnny?

They get paid on the night! Obviously, big fights will be different.

mimmy123 wrote:

expe wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:
It upsets me that lads in this country dont get a look in and this is not the first example. The BBBoC should clamp down on this sort of thing but they are so inept full of old duffers who collectively know nothing about boxing.

There is nothing the board can do, even if they wanted to, which they shouldn't. There aren't enough domestic journeymen about and they're frequently unreliable, as posted above, leading to mad scrambles to find opponents at short notice, which usually end in a eastern European opponent anyway.

Just because a fighter is from this country doesn't mean they have some sort of divine right to a payday in the early stages of a prospects career, not like the crowd are paying to see them. If the promoter/matchmaker wants to bring in a fighter from abroad then they're perfectly free to do so, as they should be. In this case he probably shouldn't be fighting this Bulgarian because the likelihood is that he's absolutely terrible and he should have a better opponent, where that opponent is from is absolutely irrelevant.

Where does this whole give domestic fighters a payday shite end? Should all British world champions make regular defences against domestic opponents to give them a payday too?

Its not the point 'where does the domestic opposition end' ive said european oppostion has to come into play at some point. Im not stupid to think British boxers have to fight British boxers until they run dry. But there is no excuse in this case and many cases like this. You are telling me a promoter in this country cannot locate a boxer out of 115 middleweights in this country and how many light middleweights? There must be at least 50 or 60 boxers in this country adiquate to fight a debutant. And you are telling me they are unreliable? When they are a stones throw away? I dont believe it for one minute. Harley Benn could fight 5 or 6 before they decide to look elsewhere.

Also i never suggested a boxer has a devine right.

mimmy123 wrote:

mainman1 wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:This actually pisses me right off. 3 fight novice from Bulgaria Svetoslav Dimitrov http://boxrec.com/boxer/722148

While the opponent is ok for Harley I just dont agree with bringing over a Bulgarian when there are opponents in the UK that are keeping the BBBoC in money. There are 115 British middleweights in this country and thet have to pluck out of thin air a Bulgarian. Where do they find these boxers? Why do we need Eastern Europeans taking money from lads in this country that are perfectly able to fight and possibly can do with the income? Is having a Bulgarian on your record some sort of toughness symbol?

Whats wrong with Dean Croft for example http://boxrec.com/boxer/659935 or Tommy Carter http://boxrec.com/boxer/763666 ? Arent they good enough for the young Benn boxer? honestly the BBBoC need to look at employing someone to oversee that lads in this country get a payday at this stage of a boxers career rather than letting shite through the doors to go down in 1 round and take the wage packet. Boils my piss. BBBoC know eff all.

What can the BBBoC do to stop this? If a manager/coach wants to bring in guys from abroad for whatever reason then that is their prerogative. There is nothing that the BBBoC can do about it especially when it is an EU country as if they tried to stop these imports for coming in it would be classed as a restriction of trade and they could be taken to court.

I totally agree that BBBoC boxers should be used but the truth is that fights can only be made if there is 2 willing parties ready to make a fight and it doesn't matter what the BBBoC say or do they can't force managers to make fights unless they hold a title governed by the BBBoC.

I understand what you are saying but was any British opponent ever looked for? I think yes there will be circumstances where oversea opposition has to be used but in this case and many others similar im sure a Brit could have been found. But at the end of the day was any approached.

There is a large number of fighters here who a possibly available. This Bulgarian will bring nothing of substance to the fight.

mickey1975 wrote:I told everyone when Conor Benn swerved Luke Kehler first time around that Luke would bring it. When they fought, he really did, I got 4-1 on Benn points. Journeymen aren't idiots. If you're going in with an Olympian, yes they might tuck up, but with someone like Benn they'll give it go, he's not very good.

expe wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:

mainman1 wrote:

What can the BBBoC do to stop this? If a manager/coach wants to bring in guys from abroad for whatever reason then that is their prerogative. There is nothing that the BBBoC can do about it especially when it is an EU country as if they tried to stop these imports for coming in it would be classed as a restriction of trade and they could be taken to court.

I totally agree that BBBoC boxers should be used but the truth is that fights can only be made if there is 2 willing parties ready to make a fight and it doesn't matter what the BBBoC say or do they can't force managers to make fights unless they hold a title governed by the BBBoC.

I understand what you are saying but was any British opponent ever looked for? I think yes there will be circumstances where oversea opposition has to be used but in this case and many others similar im sure a Brit could have been found. But at the end of the day was any approached.

There is a large number of fighters here who a possibly available. This Bulgarian will bring nothing of substance to the fight.

Neither would a British fighter, journeymen don't bring anything to the fight other than turning up, going the distance and taking their money, no one's paying to see them, no one cares who's in the other corner at that stage of the home fighter's career.

mickey1975 wrote:I told everyone when Conor Benn swerved Luke Kehler first time around that Luke would bring it. When they fought, he really did, I got 4-1 on Benn points. Journeymen aren't idiots. If you're going in with an Olympian, yes they might tuck up, but with someone like Benn they'll give it go, he's not very good.

mickey1975 wrote:I told everyone when Conor Benn swerved Luke Kehler first time around that Luke would bring it. When they fought, he really did, I got 4-1 on Benn points. Journeymen aren't idiots. If you're going in with an Olympian, yes they might tuck up, but with someone like Benn they'll give it go, he's not very good.

bripez wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I told everyone when Conor Benn swerved Luke Kehler first time around that Luke would bring it. When they fought, he really did, I got 4-1 on Benn points. Journeymen aren't idiots. If you're going in with an Olympian, yes they might tuck up, but with someone like Benn they'll give it go, he's not very good.

Good point.

I am not sure what point Expe is trying to make - it seems as though he is happy for novice boxers to face opponents who are very carefully selected in mis-matches (and has the lack of self awareness to criticize the matchmaking of other organisations).

Where there is a large pool of boxers of varying ability (and ambition) in the UK, then why wouldn't a promoter look to use a UK based boxer - he might even bring a few punters with him, family and mates who want to watch him box Nigel Benns son etc. I am sure the low level imports don't bring much support with them.