BoxRec

tiny_acres wrote:

jujigatame wrote:

Lennox wrote:Washington is by far his worse defence yet, you are getting misled by the fact he is undefeated, there is a good reason he is undefeated. He has a punchers chance but will likely get knocked out.

By far? I don't think he's any worse than Arreola, Molina, or Duhaupas.

I agree that they are all on the same level.

I think Duhaupas is better as the other two actually, Duhaupas even made it to the 6th round against Povetkin!

jujigatame wrote:

Lennox wrote:Washington is by far his worse defence yet, you are getting misled by the fact he is undefeated, there is a good reason he is undefeated. He has a punchers chance but will likely get knocked out.

By far? I don't think he's any worse than Arreola, Molina, or Duhaupas.

All those three have at least beaten some reasonable fighters. Washington has not, when he stepped up he got an iffy draw. I have only seen him fight once and it did not look as though he could, perhaps he is a bit better now and I am doing him an injustice. Nothing on his record that he deserves a go at Wilder though.

ValMar wrote:If the next (after Washington) Wilder's opponent is Joshua/Klitschko/Ortiz/Haye/T. Fury/Parker - it is OK.
If not -

no, it is not.

crusader wrote:Fortunate to get a draw against Mansour, in a hard fight with Aguilera......I don't think he's some hidden special talent.

If he is at least as good as Mansour, he will be a better opponent than Breazeale was for Joshua. Mansour was beating him easily winning every round before he bit his tongue and it had to be stopped. Joshua didn't get much criticism for fighting Breazeale. He isn't even as good as the tomato cans Wilder has been fighting.

Badhusker wrote:

crusader wrote:Fortunate to get a draw against Mansour, in a hard fight with Aguilera......I don't think he's some hidden special talent.

If he is at least as good as Mansour, he will be a better opponent than Breazeale was for Joshua. Mansour was beating him easily winning every round before he bit his tongue and it had to be stopped. Joshua didn't get much criticism for fighting Breazeale. He isn't even as good as the tomato cans Wilder has been fighting.

I like watching Joshua but I get the feeling if he was fighting Washington we would be hearing how great it is that he's faxing an undefeated fighter.
The hypocrisy is astonishing

tiny_acres wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

crusader wrote:Fortunate to get a draw against Mansour, in a hard fight with Aguilera......I don't think he's some hidden special talent.

If he is at least as good as Mansour, he will be a better opponent than Breazeale was for Joshua. Mansour was beating him easily winning every round before he bit his tongue and it had to be stopped. Joshua didn't get much criticism for fighting Breazeale. He isn't even as good as the tomato cans Wilder has been fighting.

I like watching Joshua but I get the feeling if he was fighting Washington we would be hearing how great it is that he's faxing an undefeated fighter.
The hypocrisy is astonishing

The hypocrisy that you just fabricated with a pure hypothetical

AJ isn't fighting Washington next, he's fighting Wladimir Klitschko, if you weren't aware. Breazeale, who of course actually came back to beat Mansour, was AJ's first defense and the fight occurred when AJ had been a pro for just three years and 16 fights. Wilder has been a pro for about 8 years and nearly 40 fights, and this is just another mediocre opponent for him.

But he'll step up next fight! But the lack of amateur experience! But the injuries! But he's still really young! Ya, whatever, heard it all before.

Badhusker wrote:

crusader wrote:Fortunate to get a draw against Mansour, in a hard fight with Aguilera......I don't think he's some hidden special talent.

If he is at least as good as Mansour, he will be a better opponent than Breazeale was for Joshua. Mansour was beating him easily winning every round before he bit his tongue and it had to be stopped. Joshua didn't get much criticism for fighting Breazeale. He isn't even as good as the tomato cans Wilder has been fighting.

I don't think he's at least as good as Mansour (very fortunate to get a draw IMO), who isn't even top 15 himself. Read my post above for the differences between AJ fighting Breazeale and Wilder fighting Washington.

tiny_acres wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

crusader wrote:Fortunate to get a draw against Mansour, in a hard fight with Aguilera......I don't think he's some hidden special talent.

If he is at least as good as Mansour, he will be a better opponent than Breazeale was for Joshua. Mansour was beating him easily winning every round before he bit his tongue and it had to be stopped. Joshua didn't get much criticism for fighting Breazeale. He isn't even as good as the tomato cans Wilder has been fighting.

I like watching Joshua but I get the feeling if he was fighting Washington we would be hearing how great it is that he's faxing an undefeated fighter.
The hypocrisy is astonishing

Now let's get back and read what people actually wrote at the time.

keirw wrote:A bit disappointing, would have preferred Stiverne or Duhapas, but I will be willing to forgive him if he targets the winner of the Fury/ Klitschko rematch next.

Maxsplit wrote:Sadly I have watched a couple of Brezeale fights and he is truly, truly dreadful.

Hughie Fury's opponent on Saturday beat Breazeale and was jobbed by the judges. Mansour dropped him and won every round until he quit on his stool.

I would make Charles Martin a heavy favourite if they fought. It's a stinker of a defence a la Brook vs Bizier or Golovkin vs Wade.

Stuarty30 wrote:

smiling assassin wrote:

edb1000 wrote:Treating the fans like mugs. A disgrace

Yeah 100%. Who cares about the fans though mate when the casuals will lap it up. Eddie Hearn will make millions out of this man. Can't see him getting put in with a live opponent anytime soon

They'll need to fight a danger man sooner or later. Parker Takam winner should be next up. Some folk will still no doubt moan at that too when it happens...

Well, I'm sorry, but it seems like you're completely deluded when it comes to AJ and the facts around him.

Yes, AJ got criticized plenty, and pretty much no one was excited about Breazeale (who actually defeated Mansour) being the opponent.

Again, that fight was made when AJ had only 16 previous bouts and 2.5 years of pro experience (less than I initially thought). Remember the type of opposition Wilder had fought at the same stage of his career?

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

If he is at least as good as Mansour, he will be a better opponent than Breazeale was for Joshua. Mansour was beating him easily winning every round before he bit his tongue and it had to be stopped. Joshua didn't get much criticism for fighting Breazeale. He isn't even as good as the tomato cans Wilder has been fighting.

I like watching Joshua but I get the feeling if he was fighting Washington we would be hearing how great it is that he's faxing an undefeated fighter.
The hypocrisy is astonishing

Now let's get back and read what people actually wrote at the time.

keirw wrote:A bit disappointing, would have preferred Stiverne or Duhapas, but I will be willing to forgive him if he targets the winner of the Fury/ Klitschko rematch next.

Maxsplit wrote:Sadly I have watched a couple of Brezeale fights and he is truly, truly dreadful.

Hughie Fury's opponent on Saturday beat Breazeale and was jobbed by the judges. Mansour dropped him and won every round until he quit on his stool.

I would make Charles Martin a heavy favourite if they fought. It's a stinker of a defence a la Brook vs Bizier or Golovkin vs Wade.

Stuarty30 wrote:

smiling assassin wrote: Yeah 100%. Who cares about the fans though mate when the casuals will lap it up. Eddie Hearn will make millions out of this man. Can't see him getting put in with a live opponent anytime soon

They'll need to fight a danger man sooner or later. Parker Takam winner should be next up. Some folk will still no doubt moan at that too when it happens...

Well, I'm sorry, but it seems like you're completely deluded when it comes to AJ and the facts around him.

crusader wrote:Yes, AJ got criticized plenty, and pretty much no one was excited about Breazeale (who actually defeated Mansour) being the opponent.

Again, that fight was made when AJ had only 16 previous bouts and 2.5 years of pro experience (less than I initially thought). Remember the type of opposition Wilder had fought at the same stage of his career?

Lets at least be clear about Breazeale "defeating" Mansour. The ONLY way he won was because of Mansour's injury. The fight should have at least been a NC or went to the cards...I don't remember why it didn't. Breazeale didn't even win a round.

Is Hughie Fury any good?

even if Washington did better vs Mansour than Breazeale i dont think he's any better than him

tiny_acres wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

crusader wrote:Fortunate to get a draw against Mansour, in a hard fight with Aguilera......I don't think he's some hidden special talent.

If he is at least as good as Mansour, he will be a better opponent than Breazeale was for Joshua. Mansour was beating him easily winning every round before he bit his tongue and it had to be stopped. Joshua didn't get much criticism for fighting Breazeale. He isn't even as good as the tomato cans Wilder has been fighting.

I like watching Joshua but I get the feeling if he was fighting Washington we would be hearing how great it is that he's faxing an undefeated fighter.
The hypocrisy is astonishing

In the real world, Anthony Joshua is fighting Wladimir Klitschko, which is a good example of why people aren't criticizing his matchmaking right now. In fantasy land, Joshua is fighting Washington, and people are saying whatever you are imagining they are saying. Real world... Klitschko.

Lackeos wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

If he is at least as good as Mansour, he will be a better opponent than Breazeale was for Joshua. Mansour was beating him easily winning every round before he bit his tongue and it had to be stopped. Joshua didn't get much criticism for fighting Breazeale. He isn't even as good as the tomato cans Wilder has been fighting.

I like watching Joshua but I get the feeling if he was fighting Washington we would be hearing how great it is that he's faxing an undefeated fighter.
The hypocrisy is astonishing

In the real world, Anthony Joshua is fighting Wladimir Klitschko, which is a good example of why people aren't criticizing his matchmaking right now. In fantasy land, Joshua is fighting Washington, and people are saying whatever you are imagining they are saying. Real world... Klitschko.

Real world a 41 year old Klitschko who was out classed by a slow fighter over a year ago.
In the real world a 41 year old who hasn't won a fight in 2 years
Let's be real

tiny_acres wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

I like watching Joshua but I get the feeling if he was fighting Washington we would be hearing how great it is that he's faxing an undefeated fighter.
The hypocrisy is astonishing

In the real world, Anthony Joshua is fighting Wladimir Klitschko, which is a good example of why people aren't criticizing his matchmaking right now. In fantasy land, Joshua is fighting Washington, and people are saying whatever you are imagining they are saying. Real world... Klitschko.

Real world a 41 year old Klitschko who was out classed by a slow fighter over a year ago.
In the real world a 41 year old who hasn't won a fight in 2 years
Let's be real

If you are trying to allege that Wladimir isn't still one of the best fighters in the division, then you aren't being real.

Lackeos wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

Lackeos wrote: In the real world, Anthony Joshua is fighting Wladimir Klitschko, which is a good example of why people aren't criticizing his matchmaking right now. In fantasy land, Joshua is fighting Washington, and people are saying whatever you are imagining they are saying. Real world... Klitschko.

Real world a 41 year old Klitschko who was out classed by a slow fighter over a year ago.
In the real world a 41 year old who hasn't won a fight in 2 years
Let's be real

If you are trying to allege that Wladimir isn't still one of the best fighters in the division, then you aren't being real.

At 41 and an extended leave it is not known if he is still among the elite.
Like it is unknown how good Joshua or Wilder are with their limited opposition.

In boxing, you are only as good as your last fight, especially when you are over 40. Wlad looked like dogshit in his last fight. If he beats Joshua it will tell us a lot. Let's hold off on praising Joshua for his tough schedule for now.

Badhusker wrote:In boxing, you are only as good as your last fight, especially when you are over 40. Wlad looked like dogshit in his last fight. If he beats Joshua it will tell us a lot. Let's hold off on praising Joshua for his tough schedule for now.

Thank you
You stated it better than I did

I imagine that Wlad could be pretty damn past it, yet still superior to Gerald Washington; would you guys not consider Wlad a step up for Wilder? Not a better opponent than Szpilka, Scott, Stiverne, Duhuapas, shot Arreola, or Molina?

Further, as already highlighted, the reaction to AJ's defense (his first) against unbeaten American Dominic Breazeale was hardly one of excitement, and tiny acres' assertion that people are hypocrites because they'd fawn over AJ-Washington is nothing more than fabricated injustice.

Please, remind me who Wilder was fighting after 3.5 years pro, then start talking about hypocrisy. AJ has been moved much faster, and if he takes out Wlad he'll already possess the superior resume despite having been a pro for almost 5 fewer years.

crusader wrote:I imagine that Wlad could be pretty damn past it, yet still superior to Gerald Washington; would you guys not consider Wlad a step up for Wilder? Not a better opponent than Szpilka, Scott, Stiverne, Duhuapas, shot Arreola, or Molina?

Further, as already highlighted, the reaction to AJ's defense (his first) against unbeaten American Dominic Breazeale was hardly one of excitement, and tiny acres' assertion that people are hypocrites because they'd fawn over AJ-Washington is nothing more than fabricated injustice.

Please, remind me who Wilder was fighting after 3.5 years pro, then start talking about hypocrisy. AJ has been moved much faster, and if he takes out Wlad he'll already possess the superior resume despite having been a pro for almost 5 fewer years.

Wlad is a huge step up for AJ at least on paper, but we will see how it goes. As bad as Wlad looked against Fury, he may surprise us vs AJ. Style match-ups can change a lot. We have to remember that they sparred quite a bit, so Wlad may have a couple tricks up his old sleeve. Once they fight, yes having Wlad on his resume will look nice. Right now I would say Wilder has better boxers on his resume.

AJ had about 20 more amateur fights, with more success than Wilder, who started at an older age, so it isn't surprising he was moved faster. I don't look at how many years they have been pro. When you consider total fights it is very close. Wilder needed more work coming in. It will be an interesting next couple of years if he and Wilder meet, and who both fight in between. I look forward to both being tested.

As far as the hypocrisy, yes, it exists. Wilder is more hated and blamed for things beyond his control than any current boxer, or close to it.

Actually, they both had about 40 amateur bouts, and I think AJ had only competed for 4 years when he turned pro. Tyson Fury and Joseph Parker had around the same number of amateur fights too.

Going after people for criticizing Wilder's opposition but not AJ's just doesn't make that much sense

Think you's all should chill and look at the undercard which is promising.

Unbeaten Kiwi Junior Fa has signed with Lou DiBella (9-0 with 6 KOs) and been added to the Wilder v Washington card.